Knicks · Is Chris Paul Still A Possibility? (page 1)

I hate to raise this topic with us still in the playoffs but is their still a realistic chance that Chris Paul forces his way to the Knicks in the offseason? With the Clippers unceremoniously bounced from the playoffs in the first round and given their track record for being an inept franchise, I can't help but feel that we've got a punchers chance to bring him to New York. As much as I'd hate to commit a 4 year contract to a guy this late in his career and with as much wear and tear, this move would put us on par with the Heat for the foreseeable future (assuming Wade's health/game continue to deteriorate steadily).

I don't see how. We don't have cap space and we don't have any assets worth CP3's future contract that Clipps would take back.

Chris Paul in a NYK uniform next year is nearly impossible. The main reason is the new CBA which has a provision that teams that are approx. $4M over the luxury tax threshold can't take part in sign-and-trades; we won't know for sure where we stand until the new salary cap is announced but I'd be very surprised if we weren't over that threshold.

Assuming that we can make sign-and-trades then we have the problem of putting together a package for CP3. Our only realistic assets are our 1st rounder this year in what's supposed to be a terrible draft, future 1st rounders starting in 2018, Shumpert, JR if he opts out and we resign him, a couple of players with $1M non-guaranteed contracts next year, 3M cash, and maybe Felton. Any combination of those assets would be a terrible return for Chris Paul. Terrible.

There's also the problem of matching salaries for any trade for Paul. I believe the max contract that he can sign this Summer will start at around $19M/year; even if he was willing to take a paycut I highly doubt we would sacrifice enough money where we wouldn't have to send back a large salary of our own. That means we'd have to include one of Melo, Tyson, or Amare in a trade. Throw Melo's name out because we're obviously not going to trade him. That leaves Tyson and Amare, two players that the Clippers would have no use for. Oh, and Amare is completely untradable until the Summer of 2015.

Our only realistic scenario would be a multi-team trade where LA gets Shumpert, our 1st rounder, and Felton; we get back CP3 plus cap-filler; and a 3rd team takes Tyson. And we'd have to be giving that up at minimum, there are definitely other teams that could put together a better package than that.

I completely agree which is why it would have to be a 3 or 4 team trade. It would definitely be tricky but at least Grunwald seems to be more creative than Walsh was in making deals. I suppose you also have to ask, if anyone would be crazy enough to take on Amare Stoudemire's contract because that would help tremendously. You guys think the Bucks would be interested in him?

Anybody who takes on Amare's contract will be fired 1 year later if it is one-to-one. Another team should only take Amare's contract if say Melo is also included. Tyson and Shump as the sweetener is not even worth it.

VCoug wrote:Chris Paul in a NYK uniform next year is nearly impossible. The main reason is the new CBA which has a provision that teams that are approx. $4M over the luxury tax threshold can't take part in sign-and-trades; we won't know for sure where we stand until the new salary cap is announced but I'd be very surprised if we weren't over that threshold.

Assuming that we can make sign-and-trades then we have the problem of putting together a package for CP3. Our only realistic assets are our 1st rounder this year in what's supposed to be a terrible draft, future 1st rounders starting in 2018, Shumpert, JR if he opts out and we resign him, a couple of players with $1M non-guaranteed contracts next year, 3M cash, and maybe Felton. Any combination of those assets would be a terrible return for Chris Paul. Terrible.

There's also the problem of matching salaries for any trade for Paul. I believe the max contract that he can sign this Summer will start at around $19M/year; even if he was willing to take a paycut I highly doubt we would sacrifice enough money where we wouldn't have to send back a large salary of our own. That means we'd have to include one of Melo, Tyson, or Amare in a trade. Throw Melo's name out because we're obviously not going to trade him. That leaves Tyson and Amare, two players that the Clippers would have no use for. Oh, and Amare is completely untradable until the Summer of 2015.

Our only realistic scenario would be a multi-team trade where LA gets Shumpert, our 1st rounder, and Felton; we get back CP3 plus cap-filler; and a 3rd team takes Tyson. And we'd have to be giving that up at minimum, there are definitely other teams that could put together a better package than that.

No doubt, that move would be entirely contingent on Paul WANTING to come to the Knicks, which I feel could be a distinct possibility. We don't have any leverage to force the Clippers hand (e.g. cap space we could use to threaten to sign him outright), which makes it all unlikely but not impossible. We've got some solid assets in Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Raymond Felton that if LAC doesn't want outright, could parlay into assets they do want from a 3rd or 4th team. Just a stab in the dark scenario (on draft night) I thought of:

NYK trades: Amar'e Stoudemire, Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, 24th pick(whoever that may be), and $3 million
NYK receives: Chris Paul and a $5 million trade exception

LAC trades: Chris Paul
LAC receives: Kris Humphries, Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton, Ekpe Udoh, $3 million (from the Knicks)

MIL trades: Ersan Ilyasova, Drew Gooden and Ekpe Udoh
MIL receives: Amar'e Stoudemire, 24th pick, $3 million (from the Nets)

BKN trades: Kris Humphries and $3 million
BKN receives: Ersan Ilyasova and Drew Gooden

The Bucks actually gain financial flexibility by trading for Amare since his contract is shorter than Ilyasova's and Gooden's. They also have the depth at the 4/5 spot between Saunders, Henson, Dalembert, Ayon Przybilla, etc. to absorb Amare's minutes if injuried. I can see this happening if they go all in and re-sign Jennings, Ellis and Redick. Meanwhile, the Nets have shown interest in Ilyasova in the past and have made their desire to trade Humphries public. I also think Gooden is still serviceable and fills the backup 4 void they've had on the team (assuming Blatche is the 5). LAC gets shafted but if Paul is determined to leave, its better than nothing especially since they'd get back two bonafide starters in Shumpert and Felton that are young enough to grow with the youth they already have on the team.

Don't we do starphuch trade fantasy AFTER we are eliminated and all pissy over it?

We in the playoffs son! the playoffs!

Nalod wrote:
Don't we do starphuch trade fantasy AFTER we are eliminated and all pissy over it?

We in the playoffs son! the playoffs!

LOL, unfortunately that seems to be sooner rather than later. I do hope we beat Indy though.

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Don't we do starphuch trade fantasy AFTER we are eliminated and all pissy over it?

We in the playoffs son! the playoffs!

LOL, unfortunately that seems to be sooner rather than later. I do hope we beat Indy though.

Soon we can call Amare a "expiring" even though the CBA kind of takes the steam out of it.

not happening

the big trade rumor I've heard is KG, Pierce, DOC RIVERS(?!?) for Griffin and Bledsoe

I presume with the intent to keep Paul

The Clippers want KG. I dont think they want Pierce's 16 million dollar contract.

We could've been had him but somebody didn't wanna wait for free agency.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:We could've been had him but somebody didn't wanna wait for free agency.

Ridiculous.

nope...next question

I think it's possible but it's not going to happen, They would have to trade Felton, Chandler & Novak , it would be complicated but could be done especially if a third team was involved.

We rollin with Ray Ray. We don't need no stinkin starphuck 2.0. Let's see what we got now. If we make it outta the ECF, the heck with CP3.

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:Chris Paul in a NYK uniform next year is nearly impossible. The main reason is the new CBA which has a provision that teams that are approx. $4M over the luxury tax threshold can't take part in sign-and-trades; we won't know for sure where we stand until the new salary cap is announced but I'd be very surprised if we weren't over that threshold.

Assuming that we can make sign-and-trades then we have the problem of putting together a package for CP3. Our only realistic assets are our 1st rounder this year in what's supposed to be a terrible draft, future 1st rounders starting in 2018, Shumpert, JR if he opts out and we resign him, a couple of players with $1M non-guaranteed contracts next year, 3M cash, and maybe Felton. Any combination of those assets would be a terrible return for Chris Paul. Terrible.

There's also the problem of matching salaries for any trade for Paul. I believe the max contract that he can sign this Summer will start at around $19M/year; even if he was willing to take a paycut I highly doubt we would sacrifice enough money where we wouldn't have to send back a large salary of our own. That means we'd have to include one of Melo, Tyson, or Amare in a trade. Throw Melo's name out because we're obviously not going to trade him. That leaves Tyson and Amare, two players that the Clippers would have no use for. Oh, and Amare is completely untradable until the Summer of 2015.

Our only realistic scenario would be a multi-team trade where LA gets Shumpert, our 1st rounder, and Felton; we get back CP3 plus cap-filler; and a 3rd team takes Tyson. And we'd have to be giving that up at minimum, there are definitely other teams that could put together a better package than that.

No doubt, that move would be entirely contingent on Paul WANTING to come to the Knicks, which I feel could be a distinct possibility. We don't have any leverage to force the Clippers hand (e.g. cap space we could use to threaten to sign him outright), which makes it all unlikely but not impossible. We've got some solid assets in Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Raymond Felton that if LAC doesn't want outright, could parlay into assets they do want from a 3rd or 4th team. Just a stab in the dark scenario (on draft night) I thought of:

NYK trades: Amar'e Stoudemire, Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, 24th pick(whoever that may be), and $3 million
NYK receives: Chris Paul and a $5 million trade exception

LAC trades: Chris Paul
LAC receives: Kris Humphries, Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton, Ekpe Udoh, $3 million (from the Knicks)

MIL trades: Ersan Ilyasova, Drew Gooden and Ekpe Udoh
MIL receives: Amar'e Stoudemire, 24th pick, $3 million (from the Nets)

BKN trades: Kris Humphries and $3 million
BKN receives: Ersan Ilyasova and Drew Gooden

The Bucks actually gain financial flexibility by trading for Amare since his contract is shorter than Ilyasova's and Gooden's. They also have the depth at the 4/5 spot between Saunders, Henson, Dalembert, Ayon Przybilla, etc. to absorb Amare's minutes if injuried. I can see this happening if they go all in and re-sign Jennings, Ellis and Redick. Meanwhile, the Nets have shown interest in Ilyasova in the past and have made their desire to trade Humphries public. I also think Gooden is still serviceable and fills the backup 4 void they've had on the team (assuming Blatche is the 5). LAC gets shafted but if Paul is determined to leave, its better than nothing especially since they'd get back two bonafide starters in Shumpert and Felton that are young enough to grow with the youth they already have on the team.

That's a terrible trade for Milwaukee and the GM would be fired before the paperwork was completed. Ilyasova is a good, young player making less than $8M/year. Why would they trade him for a player making almost 3X that who hasn't been healthy since the first half of the 2010/11 season? And the 24th pick in a bad draft is not a good enough reason.

Most likely amnesty decision: Drew Gooden in 2013. With Beno Udrih expiring at the end of this season, Drew Gooden’s two remaining years are the only reasonable option left for amnesty purposes. Considering Brandon Jennings will get a major pay raise this summer and the Bucks will need any flexibility they can get whether or not Monta Ellis opts out, look for him to go even though the team stands unlikely to benefit in any way other than cap room.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/224...
Bucks gain flexibility by amnestying Gooden.

I really like Chris Paul as a player but I'm not sure he's the guy we need. We could really use a Kenneth Faried type to help out on the boards against the more physical teams. With Shump back we have a good perimeter defender but we could use another just in case.

What else do you guys think is lacking? I think a motivated Ray Felton is just about ideal for this team, and Prigs seems to do ok too.

knickstorrents wrote:I really like Chris Paul as a player but I'm not sure he's the guy we need. We could really use a Kenneth Faried type to help out on the boards against the more physical teams. With Shump back we have a good perimeter defender but we could use another just in case.

What else do you guys think is lacking? I think a motivated Ray Felton is just about ideal for this team, and Prigs seems to do ok too.

knickstorrents wrote:I really like Chris Paul as a player but I'm not sure he's the guy we need. We could really use a Kenneth Faried type to help out on the boards against the more physical teams. With Shump back we have a good perimeter defender but we could use another just in case.

What else do you guys think is lacking? I think a motivated Ray Felton is just about ideal for this team, and Prigs seems to do ok too.

It's blasphemy to ever suggest that CP3 isn't the player we need! He's all by himself a player that lifts teams to a higher level. Without him the Clippers are garbage. CP3 makes a huge difference to any team he's on and if he's on this team it likely pushes us over the top. I can't believe it's even a discussion. The problem to me is that getting him here is highly problematic. I just don't see it happening.