ChuckBuck wrote:Tyson needs to put his big boy pants on, plain and simple.
Hibbert is just plain embarrassing him. Tyson needs to earn his fat paycheck, he's been a no show for most of the playoffs.
Chandler looks hurt though. He's had nick-nack injuries all season and I suspect that they are starting to catch up to him. Things aren't helped by our guys jacking up shots recklessly. I personally don't understand how, as a coach, you can afford to allow this to happen and call little to no plays for a big man that coverts 70% of his shots off pick and rolls/alley-oop dunks.
I get that, but at the same time, who's 100% this time of year?
It's one thing to be unable to dive for loose balls or take every charge or go for the blocked shot on every possession.
It's a whole different story when you allow Hibbert to score 3 times in a row off of you from left handed hookshots, without even a touch or shove.
Those tip ins are simply inexcusable. That's simply effort and hustle, which Chandler hasn't shown any inkling of.
No excuse for lack of effort. Chandler should watch tape of Joakim Noah who's essentially playing this postseason on 1 foot.
VDesai@ 5/13/2013 2:00 PM
I think the key to the Warriors run has been Andrew Bogut. Guy is coming off an injury that almost caused him to retire but look at the way he is defending the post and controlling the paint. His rebound rate has been tremendous.
We don't ask Tyson to do anything offensively, why isn't he doing what he needs to be doing on the boards? Roy Hibbert is just owning the guy.
Solace@ 5/13/2013 2:13 PM
I think he's downplaying some physical issue. We know what he's capable of. He needs to toughen up, though. If he plays like this, frankly, we're better with KMart, Amar'e or Copeland on the floor. I would say that Tyson, JR and Kidd need to figure this out quickly, because if not, I would not be upset if Woodson decided to bench all three of them.
Bonn1997@ 5/13/2013 2:17 PM
I'm not sure K-Mart's body can handle more minutes. I know Tyson looked really bad last game but I think Hibbert would average much more than 14.7 PPG (his series average) if he were up against Copeland or Amare (and maybe Kenyon too). He could shoot right over them every time.
NardDogNation@ 5/13/2013 2:35 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Tyson needs to put his big boy pants on, plain and simple.
Hibbert is just plain embarrassing him. Tyson needs to earn his fat paycheck, he's been a no show for most of the playoffs.
Chandler looks hurt though. He's had nick-nack injuries all season and I suspect that they are starting to catch up to him. Things aren't helped by our guys jacking up shots recklessly. I personally don't understand how, as a coach, you can afford to allow this to happen and call little to no plays for a big man that coverts 70% of his shots off pick and rolls/alley-oop dunks.
I get that, but at the same time, who's 100% this time of year?
It's one thing to be unable to dive for loose balls or take every charge or go for the blocked shot on every possession.
It's a whole different story when you allow Hibbert to score 3 times in a row off of you from left handed hookshots, without even a touch or shove.
Those tip ins are simply inexcusable. That's simply effort and hustle, which Chandler hasn't shown any inkling of.
No excuse for lack of effort. Chandler should watch tape of Joakim Noah who's essentially playing this postseason on 1 foot.
As a big man, the whole purpose of developing a hook shot is because it is indefensible. There is next to nothing that Chandler can do against that, other than fronting Hibbert and denying him access to the ball. Unfortunately, this leaves Hibbert available for a lob/alleyoop, which is all but guaranteed since the rotating man is going to be a 6"8'ish forward, if that defender even decides to rotate. The safer bet for Chandler is to stay home and try to move Hibbert far enough out of the paint so he can't start his move but that would likely result in a foul. The Hibbert situation is a pick-your-poison scenario and there is little that Chandler can do about it. I think it is why that it is especially important that we try to involve Chandler more in the offense, which should help tire Hibbert out on the other end of the floor. Chandler was a 70% scorer during the season mostly off the pick-and-roll/lobs, so I can't understand why we don't attempt to feature this play more.
P.S., there is next to nothing Chandler can do about the tips featured in your video. Superior positioning for a rebound is largely based on pure luck. You can claim your position but there is no guarantee that the ball will carom directly to you. In the clips I saw, the ball just so happened to fall directly into Hibbert's area, which was on one side of the basket. If Chandler contested, it would've been a foul and that does not help our cause especially with our big man rotation so shallow.
yellowboy90@ 5/13/2013 2:39 PM
Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
nyk4ever@ 5/13/2013 2:40 PM
VDesai wrote:I think the key to the Warriors run has been Andrew Bogut. Guy is coming off an injury that almost caused him to retire but look at the way he is defending the post and controlling the paint. His rebound rate has been tremendous.
We don't ask Tyson to do anything offensively, why isn't he doing what he needs to be doing on the boards? Roy Hibbert is just owning the guy.
his man-defense on duncan has been fantastic. very underrated player.
ChuckBuck@ 5/13/2013 2:41 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Tyson needs to put his big boy pants on, plain and simple.
Hibbert is just plain embarrassing him. Tyson needs to earn his fat paycheck, he's been a no show for most of the playoffs.
Chandler looks hurt though. He's had nick-nack injuries all season and I suspect that they are starting to catch up to him. Things aren't helped by our guys jacking up shots recklessly. I personally don't understand how, as a coach, you can afford to allow this to happen and call little to no plays for a big man that coverts 70% of his shots off pick and rolls/alley-oop dunks.
I get that, but at the same time, who's 100% this time of year?
It's one thing to be unable to dive for loose balls or take every charge or go for the blocked shot on every possession.
It's a whole different story when you allow Hibbert to score 3 times in a row off of you from left handed hookshots, without even a touch or shove.
Those tip ins are simply inexcusable. That's simply effort and hustle, which Chandler hasn't shown any inkling of.
No excuse for lack of effort. Chandler should watch tape of Joakim Noah who's essentially playing this postseason on 1 foot.
As a big man, the whole purpose of developing a hook shot is because it is indefensible. There is next to nothing that Chandler can do against that, other than fronting Hibbert and denying him access to the ball. Unfortunately, this leaves Hibbert available for a lob/alleyoop, which is all but guaranteed since the rotating man is going to be a 6"8'ish forward, if that defender even decides to rotate. The safer bet for Chandler is to stay home and try to move Hibbert far enough out of the paint so he can't start his move but that would likely result in a foul. The Hibbert situation is a pick-your-poison scenario and there is little that Chandler can do about it. I think it is why that it is especially important that we try to involve Chandler more in the offense, which should help tire Hibbert out on the other end of the floor. Chandler was a 70% scorer during the season mostly off the pick-and-roll/lobs, so I can't understand why we don't attempt to feature this play more.
P.S., there is next to nothing Chandler can do about the tips featured in your video. Superior positioning for a rebound is largely based on pure luck. You can claim your position but there is no guarantee that the ball will carom directly to you. In the clips I saw, the ball just so happened to fall directly into Hibbert's area, which was on one side of the basket. If Chandler contested, it would've been a foul and that does not help our cause especially with our big man rotation so shallow.
All that would be true, if there was no precedence before this. Unfornately, this isn't the case, and Chandler has been the better center this season. If you look at the game logs from the regular season, Chandler actually dominated the head to head matchups each game.
Basically Chandler is playing soft as hell in the playoffs.
Bonn1997@ 5/13/2013 2:49 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
Really? That surprises me.
NardDogNation@ 5/13/2013 2:51 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Tyson needs to put his big boy pants on, plain and simple.
Hibbert is just plain embarrassing him. Tyson needs to earn his fat paycheck, he's been a no show for most of the playoffs.
Chandler looks hurt though. He's had nick-nack injuries all season and I suspect that they are starting to catch up to him. Things aren't helped by our guys jacking up shots recklessly. I personally don't understand how, as a coach, you can afford to allow this to happen and call little to no plays for a big man that coverts 70% of his shots off pick and rolls/alley-oop dunks.
I get that, but at the same time, who's 100% this time of year?
It's one thing to be unable to dive for loose balls or take every charge or go for the blocked shot on every possession.
It's a whole different story when you allow Hibbert to score 3 times in a row off of you from left handed hookshots, without even a touch or shove.
Those tip ins are simply inexcusable. That's simply effort and hustle, which Chandler hasn't shown any inkling of.
No excuse for lack of effort. Chandler should watch tape of Joakim Noah who's essentially playing this postseason on 1 foot.
As a big man, the whole purpose of developing a hook shot is because it is indefensible. There is next to nothing that Chandler can do against that, other than fronting Hibbert and denying him access to the ball. Unfortunately, this leaves Hibbert available for a lob/alleyoop, which is all but guaranteed since the rotating man is going to be a 6"8'ish forward, if that defender even decides to rotate. The safer bet for Chandler is to stay home and try to move Hibbert far enough out of the paint so he can't start his move but that would likely result in a foul. The Hibbert situation is a pick-your-poison scenario and there is little that Chandler can do about it. I think it is why that it is especially important that we try to involve Chandler more in the offense, which should help tire Hibbert out on the other end of the floor. Chandler was a 70% scorer during the season mostly off the pick-and-roll/lobs, so I can't understand why we don't attempt to feature this play more.
P.S., there is next to nothing Chandler can do about the tips featured in your video. Superior positioning for a rebound is largely based on pure luck. You can claim your position but there is no guarantee that the ball will carom directly to you. In the clips I saw, the ball just so happened to fall directly into Hibbert's area, which was on one side of the basket. If Chandler contested, it would've been a foul and that does not help our cause especially with our big man rotation so shallow.
All that would be true, if there was no precedence before this. Unfornately, this isn't the case, and Chandler has been the better center this season. If you look at the game logs from the regular season, Chandler actually dominated the head to head matchups each game.
Basically Chandler is playing soft as hell in the playoffs.
Those matchups occurred when Hibbert was in an early season funk that had the Pacers floundering. He picked his game up dramatically since that point, which is why the Pacers rebounded and why they are kicking our ass. If you look back at their matchups (Chandler-Hibbert) historically, Hibbert has had mixed success against Chandler, so I don't believe his playoff play is an abnormality.
VCoug@ 5/13/2013 2:54 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
Yeah, looks like he tied with Noah so there's 6 players on the 1st team. Lebron-Ibaka-Tyson-Noah-Tony Allen-Chris Paul.
ChuckBuck@ 5/13/2013 2:54 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Tyson needs to put his big boy pants on, plain and simple.
Hibbert is just plain embarrassing him. Tyson needs to earn his fat paycheck, he's been a no show for most of the playoffs.
Chandler looks hurt though. He's had nick-nack injuries all season and I suspect that they are starting to catch up to him. Things aren't helped by our guys jacking up shots recklessly. I personally don't understand how, as a coach, you can afford to allow this to happen and call little to no plays for a big man that coverts 70% of his shots off pick and rolls/alley-oop dunks.
I get that, but at the same time, who's 100% this time of year?
It's one thing to be unable to dive for loose balls or take every charge or go for the blocked shot on every possession.
It's a whole different story when you allow Hibbert to score 3 times in a row off of you from left handed hookshots, without even a touch or shove.
Those tip ins are simply inexcusable. That's simply effort and hustle, which Chandler hasn't shown any inkling of.
No excuse for lack of effort. Chandler should watch tape of Joakim Noah who's essentially playing this postseason on 1 foot.
As a big man, the whole purpose of developing a hook shot is because it is indefensible. There is next to nothing that Chandler can do against that, other than fronting Hibbert and denying him access to the ball. Unfortunately, this leaves Hibbert available for a lob/alleyoop, which is all but guaranteed since the rotating man is going to be a 6"8'ish forward, if that defender even decides to rotate. The safer bet for Chandler is to stay home and try to move Hibbert far enough out of the paint so he can't start his move but that would likely result in a foul. The Hibbert situation is a pick-your-poison scenario and there is little that Chandler can do about it. I think it is why that it is especially important that we try to involve Chandler more in the offense, which should help tire Hibbert out on the other end of the floor. Chandler was a 70% scorer during the season mostly off the pick-and-roll/lobs, so I can't understand why we don't attempt to feature this play more.
P.S., there is next to nothing Chandler can do about the tips featured in your video. Superior positioning for a rebound is largely based on pure luck. You can claim your position but there is no guarantee that the ball will carom directly to you. In the clips I saw, the ball just so happened to fall directly into Hibbert's area, which was on one side of the basket. If Chandler contested, it would've been a foul and that does not help our cause especially with our big man rotation so shallow.
All that would be true, if there was no precedence before this. Unfornately, this isn't the case, and Chandler has been the better center this season. If you look at the game logs from the regular season, Chandler actually dominated the head to head matchups each game.
Basically Chandler is playing soft as hell in the playoffs.
Those matchups occurred when Hibbert was in an early season funk that had the Pacers floundering. He picked his game up dramatically since that point, which is why the Pacers rebounded and why they are kicking our ass. If you look back at their matchups (Chandler-Hibbert) historically, Hibbert has had mixed success against Chandler, so I don't believe his playoff play is an abnormality.
Guess Hibbert picked a good time to get out of his funk.
NardDogNation@ 5/13/2013 3:06 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Tyson needs to put his big boy pants on, plain and simple.
Hibbert is just plain embarrassing him. Tyson needs to earn his fat paycheck, he's been a no show for most of the playoffs.
Chandler looks hurt though. He's had nick-nack injuries all season and I suspect that they are starting to catch up to him. Things aren't helped by our guys jacking up shots recklessly. I personally don't understand how, as a coach, you can afford to allow this to happen and call little to no plays for a big man that coverts 70% of his shots off pick and rolls/alley-oop dunks.
I get that, but at the same time, who's 100% this time of year?
It's one thing to be unable to dive for loose balls or take every charge or go for the blocked shot on every possession.
It's a whole different story when you allow Hibbert to score 3 times in a row off of you from left handed hookshots, without even a touch or shove.
Those tip ins are simply inexcusable. That's simply effort and hustle, which Chandler hasn't shown any inkling of.
No excuse for lack of effort. Chandler should watch tape of Joakim Noah who's essentially playing this postseason on 1 foot.
As a big man, the whole purpose of developing a hook shot is because it is indefensible. There is next to nothing that Chandler can do against that, other than fronting Hibbert and denying him access to the ball. Unfortunately, this leaves Hibbert available for a lob/alleyoop, which is all but guaranteed since the rotating man is going to be a 6"8'ish forward, if that defender even decides to rotate. The safer bet for Chandler is to stay home and try to move Hibbert far enough out of the paint so he can't start his move but that would likely result in a foul. The Hibbert situation is a pick-your-poison scenario and there is little that Chandler can do about it. I think it is why that it is especially important that we try to involve Chandler more in the offense, which should help tire Hibbert out on the other end of the floor. Chandler was a 70% scorer during the season mostly off the pick-and-roll/lobs, so I can't understand why we don't attempt to feature this play more.
P.S., there is next to nothing Chandler can do about the tips featured in your video. Superior positioning for a rebound is largely based on pure luck. You can claim your position but there is no guarantee that the ball will carom directly to you. In the clips I saw, the ball just so happened to fall directly into Hibbert's area, which was on one side of the basket. If Chandler contested, it would've been a foul and that does not help our cause especially with our big man rotation so shallow.
All that would be true, if there was no precedence before this. Unfornately, this isn't the case, and Chandler has been the better center this season. If you look at the game logs from the regular season, Chandler actually dominated the head to head matchups each game.
Basically Chandler is playing soft as hell in the playoffs.
Those matchups occurred when Hibbert was in an early season funk that had the Pacers floundering. He picked his game up dramatically since that point, which is why the Pacers rebounded and why they are kicking our ass. If you look back at their matchups (Chandler-Hibbert) historically, Hibbert has had mixed success against Chandler, so I don't believe his playoff play is an abnormality.
Guess Hibbert picked a good time to get out of his funk.
.....if you're a Pacer fan, LMAO. In all honesty, I think that Mike Woodson is the problem. He's terrible at making adjustments, which is really hurting this team. That and JR is fucking Rihanna. I wouldn't be surprised if his bout with the "flu", was actually his member involuntarily flowing like the Nile from an STD, lol. Makes me hesistant to ask how Kenyon Martin ended up with the same symptoms, lol.
MaTT4281@ 5/13/2013 3:47 PM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
Yeah, looks like he tied with Noah so there's 6 players on the 1st team. Lebron-Ibaka-Tyson-Noah-Tony Allen-Chris Paul.
Same as last year, the DPOY didn't make first team. If anything, Tyson's should have made it last season, but definitely has taken a step back this year.
smackeddog@ 5/13/2013 3:48 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
Really? That surprises me.
So does it mean Knick fans are being too critical of him, or are the nba's coaches clueless? Genuine question.
Bonn1997@ 5/13/2013 3:51 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
Really? That surprises me.
So does it mean Knick fans are being too critical of him, or are the nba's coaches clueless? Genuine question.
Probably both. In the regular season, at times he took off possessions but he also had many instances where he played outstanding defense.
BRIGGS@ 5/13/2013 4:14 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
Really? That surprises me.
So does it mean Knick fans are being too critical of him, or are the nba's coaches clueless? Genuine question.
Probably both. In the regular season, at times he took off possessions but he also had many instances where he played outstanding defense.
The number 1 reason why we lost the other day was Chandler inability to keep Indiana off the boards. Its not his fault alone--but at 7-1 245 hes got come up with 10-13 boards every game since he has a lot of trouble scoring without help. If he cant do his 11-11 then we really have little chance. If he bombs again in the playoffs--there has to be some rationale to come up with a different route.
Bonn1997@ 5/13/2013 4:20 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
Really? That surprises me.
So does it mean Knick fans are being too critical of him, or are the nba's coaches clueless? Genuine question.
Probably both. In the regular season, at times he took off possessions but he also had many instances where he played outstanding defense.
The number 1 reason why we lost the other day was Chandler inability to keep Indiana off the boards. Its not his fault alone--but at 7-1 245 hes got come up with 10-13 boards every game since he has a lot of trouble scoring without help. If he cant do his 11-11 then we really have little chance. If he bombs again in the playoffs--there has to be some rationale to come up with a different route.
That was an important factor but it has nothing to do with the all defensive team voting since it was the post-season
nycisgreat@ 5/13/2013 4:35 PM
Solace wrote:I think he's downplaying some physical issue. We know what he's capable of. He needs to toughen up, though. If he plays like this, frankly, we're better with KMart, Amar'e or Copeland on the floor. I would say that Tyson, JR and Kidd need to figure this out quickly, because if not, I would not be upset if Woodson decided to bench all three of them.
Benching Kidd I am ok with, but JR and Tyson we have no other options. Coach Woodson no clue about keeping the team chemistry going. It is evident by his non-existent in game adjustments. I still prefer K-Mart because he plays with passion and alot of energy.
VCoug@ 5/13/2013 4:38 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Tyson made 1st team defense this year. WOW.
Yeah, looks like he tied with Noah so there's 6 players on the 1st team. Lebron-Ibaka-Tyson-Noah-Tony Allen-Chris Paul.
Same as last year, the DPOY didn't make first team. If anything, Tyson's should have made it last season, but definitely has taken a step back this year.
Yeah, agreed. I feel like a lot of these votes for All-Defensive team have more to do with reputation than how a player actually played this year. Kind of like Gold Gloves in baseball.
TeamBall@ 5/13/2013 4:41 PM
nycisgreat wrote:
Solace wrote:I think he's downplaying some physical issue. We know what he's capable of. He needs to toughen up, though. If he plays like this, frankly, we're better with KMart, Amar'e or Copeland on the floor. I would say that Tyson, JR and Kidd need to figure this out quickly, because if not, I would not be upset if Woodson decided to bench all three of them.
Benching Kidd I am ok with, but JR and Tyson we have no other options. Coach Woodson no clue about keeping the team chemistry going. It is evident by his non-existent in game adjustments. I still prefer K-Mart because he plays with passion and alot of energy.
