Knicks · In the end, walsh wins! (page 1)
Walsh is classy and if he is laughing, he's doing it behind closed doors away from the media.
They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
MOOBY! MOOBY!
dk7th wrote:Walsh is a better gm when moves don't need to be made. Guys brought in on his watch since the draft last year, Plumlee, Young, Mahini and Augustin. Walsh had a pretty flawed plan in NY and came away with Amare after letting young guys leave and trading draft picks. A lot of teams were romanced by the potential of getting LBJ but the Knicks may have come out the worst. I keep asking myself what if Walsh just hired MJax.Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Walsh is a better gm when moves don't need to be made. Guys brought in on his watch since the draft last year, Plumlee, Young, Mahini and Augustin. Walsh had a pretty flawed plan in NY and came away with Amare after letting young guys leave and trading draft picks. A lot of teams were romanced by the potential of getting LBJ but the Knicks may have come out the worst. I keep asking myself what if Walsh just hired MJax.Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
Yeah I tend to agree with this. Walsh wasnt garbage but I dont think he was the miracle worker some make him out to be. Then again I really dont like D'antoni and resent Walsh for hiring him.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Walsh is a better gm when moves don't need to be made. Guys brought in on his watch since the draft last year, Plumlee, Young, Mahini and Augustin. Walsh had a pretty flawed plan in NY and came away with Amare after letting young guys leave and trading draft picks. A lot of teams were romanced by the potential of getting LBJ but the Knicks may have come out the worst. I keep asking myself what if Walsh just hired MJax.Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
Walsh....
hiring D'Antoni
signing Amar'e
drafting Gallo
drafting Hill
using additional 2009 first on Toney Douglas
trading with Morey
Waiting too late to trade David Lee
Were huge blunders. Now you could say the Gallo pick was okay.....but not when assessing what our roster needed at the time it wasn't a good pick. All the other moves led to really bad situations in which we never maximized any of them.
The best thing I think Walsh does is oversee decisions that are being made not actually making them and sticking up for his people in a professional manner. Somewhat of a double talker and sour graper. Hiring Pritchard was a good move by him though for the Pacers, the rest of what you see in Indy is all Bird.
3G4G wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Walsh is a better gm when moves don't need to be made. Guys brought in on his watch since the draft last year, Plumlee, Young, Mahini and Augustin. Walsh had a pretty flawed plan in NY and came away with Amare after letting young guys leave and trading draft picks. A lot of teams were romanced by the potential of getting LBJ but the Knicks may have come out the worst. I keep asking myself what if Walsh just hired MJax.Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
Walsh....hiring D'Antoni
signing Amar'e
drafting Gallo
drafting Hill
using additional 2009 first on Toney Douglas
trading with Morey
Waiting too late to trade David Lee
Were huge blunders. Now you could say the Gallo pick was okay.....but not when assessing what our roster needed at the time it wasn't a good pick. All the other moves led to really bad situations in which we never maximized any of them.
The best thing I think Walsh does is oversee decisions that are being made not actually making them and sticking up for his people in a professional manner. Somewhat of a double talker and sour graper. Hiring Pritchard was a good move by him though for the Pacers, the rest of what you see in Indy is all Bird.
Even the Gallo pick was a mistake in my opinion. Gallo is a very good player but the Knicks had Lee and Wilson already. There were too many good players that filled needs available when Gallo was picked.
CrushAlot wrote:3G4G wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Walsh is a better gm when moves don't need to be made. Guys brought in on his watch since the draft last year, Plumlee, Young, Mahini and Augustin. Walsh had a pretty flawed plan in NY and came away with Amare after letting young guys leave and trading draft picks. A lot of teams were romanced by the potential of getting LBJ but the Knicks may have come out the worst. I keep asking myself what if Walsh just hired MJax.Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
Walsh....hiring D'Antoni
signing Amar'e
drafting Gallo
drafting Hill
using additional 2009 first on Toney Douglas
trading with Morey
Waiting too late to trade David Lee
Were huge blunders. Now you could say the Gallo pick was okay.....but not when assessing what our roster needed at the time it wasn't a good pick. All the other moves led to really bad situations in which we never maximized any of them.
The best thing I think Walsh does is oversee decisions that are being made not actually making them and sticking up for his people in a professional manner. Somewhat of a double talker and sour graper. Hiring Pritchard was a good move by him though for the Pacers, the rest of what you see in Indy is all Bird.Even the Gallo pick was a mistake in my opinion. Gallo is a very good player but the Knicks had Lee and Wilson already. There were too many good players that filled needs available when Gallo was picked.
Didnt we desperately need a PG at the time too? Or was that Hills draft?
TeamBall wrote:I think the Hill draft was the one where the Knicks targeted Curry and Rubio. Jennings was there when they picked. Holliday was as well but he wasn't rated as high as the other guys at the time.CrushAlot wrote:3G4G wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Walsh is a better gm when moves don't need to be made. Guys brought in on his watch since the draft last year, Plumlee, Young, Mahini and Augustin. Walsh had a pretty flawed plan in NY and came away with Amare after letting young guys leave and trading draft picks. A lot of teams were romanced by the potential of getting LBJ but the Knicks may have come out the worst. I keep asking myself what if Walsh just hired MJax.Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
Walsh....hiring D'Antoni
signing Amar'e
drafting Gallo
drafting Hill
using additional 2009 first on Toney Douglas
trading with Morey
Waiting too late to trade David Lee
Were huge blunders. Now you could say the Gallo pick was okay.....but not when assessing what our roster needed at the time it wasn't a good pick. All the other moves led to really bad situations in which we never maximized any of them.
The best thing I think Walsh does is oversee decisions that are being made not actually making them and sticking up for his people in a professional manner. Somewhat of a double talker and sour graper. Hiring Pritchard was a good move by him though for the Pacers, the rest of what you see in Indy is all Bird.Even the Gallo pick was a mistake in my opinion. Gallo is a very good player but the Knicks had Lee and Wilson already. There were too many good players that filled needs available when Gallo was picked.
Didnt we desperately need a PG at the time too? Or was that Hills draft?
Dude didn't draft Paul George, trade for Hibbert on draft day, sign David West, or trade for George Hill. All these moves were by Larry Bird.
Thread title is a joke, old phucker didn't do shyt to construct the core of the Pacers roster.
Anybody that puts Walsh on a pedestal is a joker.
Remember Walsh is the same dude that passed on Tom Thibadeau and Mark Jackson to suck for 4 years with Mike D'Antoni.
Anybody remember who drafted Jordan Hill with the 8th pick? Yea, that winner.
TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Walsh is a better gm when moves don't need to be made. Guys brought in on his watch since the draft last year, Plumlee, Young, Mahini and Augustin. Walsh had a pretty flawed plan in NY and came away with Amare after letting young guys leave and trading draft picks. A lot of teams were romanced by the potential of getting LBJ but the Knicks may have come out the worst. I keep asking myself what if Walsh just hired MJax.Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
Yeah I tend to agree with this. Walsh wasnt garbage but I dont think he was the miracle worker some make him out to be. Then again I really dont like D'antoni and resent Walsh for hiring him.
This is just Nalods subtle dig of trying to say I told you so. This is his retaliation thread for Denver Nuggicks getting bumped in the 1st Rd.
So corny !
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Walsh is a better gm when moves don't need to be made. Guys brought in on his watch since the draft last year, Plumlee, Young, Mahini and Augustin. Walsh had a pretty flawed plan in NY and came away with Amare after letting young guys leave and trading draft picks. A lot of teams were romanced by the potential of getting LBJ but the Knicks may have come out the worst. I keep asking myself what if Walsh just hired MJax.Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
i don't know about that. once we got duped by lebron and were "stuck" with stat as the main guy on the knicks we could have continued to build the right way, starting with upgrading at pont guard since felton was on a short and cheap contract. who knows who else we may have been able to draft or acquire? at least we'd have genuine hope to go with youth.
right now the pacers team is in a better position to upset the heat than the knicks. really good team!
kudos to walsh. dolan didn't deserve a guy like walsh anyway.
I figured as much.....The core of the Pacers was already in place.....
To expand upon what was said, the moves Walsh DIDN'T make had almost as bad an impact as the moves he did make. That list includes:
1.) Not trading Jared Jefferies AND Nate Robinson to the Kings during the 2008-2009 season for cap space. Robinson accounted for 3 win shares, which resulted in us having fewer pong balls in the lottery and a lower pick than the Warriors in the 2009 draft. Why is this important? That pick resulted in Stephen Curry who might be almost as good as Melo is. If we had Curry during the 2010 offseason, LeBron might've been more willing to become a Knick. That move turned out to be a double whammy because we ended up giving away Jordan Hill and future draft picks for Tracy McGrady to move Jefferies contract during the 2009-2010, which set this team back for years.
2.) Not trading Eddy Curry to the Pistons for Chauncey Billups during the 2008 offseason. I wouldn't have done it at the time but I didn't have the information that Walsh should've. Billups turned out to be the more valuable player over the subsequent seasons, which would've come with extra incentives like draft picks to compensate for Curry's youth. More importantly, we could've just as easily moved him later in the season for Allen Iverson and been sitting pretty with 2010 cap space AND PICKS, (maybe even Marcus Camby since the Nuggets gave him away for nothing).
3.) Not trading David Lee sooner. During the 2008 draft, it was rumored that the 5th pick (Kevin Love) was in play for Lee's services. It was a gamble at the time but trading him to the Warriors 2 seasons later for a lower probability of equal return was tough to swallow; we just gave him away for nothing. Had we moved Lee for that pick, we would've had two draft picks in the 2008 draft, which brings me to the next point.....
4.) Not drafting Brook Lopez or Eric Gordon. Both were superior players to Gallo then and this remain the case now. These two, along with Stephen Curry could've brought the MIA big 3 to New York since they form a better supporting cast than what they currently have and at a fraction of the cost (in 2010), which would've left more flexibility for us to pursue players.
5.) Not forcing the Clippers hand during the Zach Randolph trade to tender a pick swap in the 2009 draft. We gave away a 25 year old, 20-10 big man for nothing more than cap space and a dude with a bad heart (Cuttino Mobley). Adding the pick swap, would've seemed benign because the Clippers were in a "win now" mode and we were evidently rebuilding, which gave the impression of us being a worse team. The Clippers got the no.1 pick in that draft, Mr. Blake "I've been better than Amare since I came into the league" Griffin.
6.) Not trading Al Harrington to the Bulls for the Bobcats first round pick. The Bulls were reportedly interested in a swap after they dealt Tyrus Thomas to the Bobcats for that pick during the 2009-2010 season. Instead, we elected on keeping Al Harrington glued to the bench for the 2nd half of the season. Good move D'Antoni/Walsh!
6.) Not keeping Corey Brewer. Brewer is not a remarkable player but had we kept him until the end of the season, we would've had enough contracts to sign and trade for Chandler outright; not using our amnesty on Billups in the process. This team would be in such excellent position moving forward had we had that thing to use on Amare Stoudemire.
Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
He was trying to do that here but Dolan got in the way.
NYKBocker wrote:Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
He was trying to do that here but Dolan got in the way.
I assume "starphuching" is being overly concerned with "superstar" players. With that said, Walsh was doing that. His whole plan from the time he got here was to go after Lebron, Wade, or any other big name...starphuchs but we struck out. He was also himself engaging in the Melo trades. The only thing Dolan did was force him to give up more than he wanted but Walsh still wanted the "star".
TeamBall wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
He was trying to do that here but Dolan got in the way.
I assume "starphuching" is being overly concerned with "superstar" players. With that said, Walsh was doing that. His whole plan from the time he got here was to go after Lebron, Wade, or any other big name...starphuchs but we struck out. He was also himself engaging in the Melo trades. The only thing Dolan did was force him to give up more than he wanted but Walsh still wanted the "star".
He positioned himself to sign a max FA. He did not want to send the whole team to get 1 starphuch. He was able to purge the mistake that Popcorn man did. Yes, Dolan got in the way.
NYKBocker wrote:TeamBall wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Nalod wrote:Pacers are non starphuching and have good value. Might not ever get over the hump but things are not looking that up for us at the moment either.They are not pretty and would not draw celebs to MSG but they have a young team.
Differnet ways for differnt markets.
Lets hope a legendary resurection and a defining moment by our Golden Mooby!
He was trying to do that here but Dolan got in the way.
I assume "starphuching" is being overly concerned with "superstar" players. With that said, Walsh was doing that. His whole plan from the time he got here was to go after Lebron, Wade, or any other big name...starphuchs but we struck out. He was also himself engaging in the Melo trades. The only thing Dolan did was force him to give up more than he wanted but Walsh still wanted the "star".He positioned himself to sign a max FA. He did not want to send the whole team to get 1 starphuch. He was able to purge the mistake that Popcorn man did. Yes, Dolan got in the way.
My mistake I thought you were saying he didnt want a star at all