CrushAlot wrote:Amare wants to talk about his role with Woodson. His role is salary cap boat anchor with bad knees. I thought Woodson was a standup guy integrating him into the playoffs after being out for so long.
Delusional! The guy barely played and nobody expects him to play significant time the rest of his contract, and he wants to talk about his role? Man I was a fan of this guy and its ligical he says this, but call it like it is and say you will work hard to stay healthy or retire.
AnubisADL wrote:Woodson dealing with alot of personalities.
His worst mistake was changjnf his coaching for the playoffs when he could've won more with his previous gameplan. That and sticking with the inconsistent players just because they are the veterans and looking lost in the "play big vs. play small" issue did him in.
Considering his track record in Atlanta and his love for iso and lack of adjustments, I vote he should go.
Since it probably won't happen, I pray for CP3.
Knicksfan wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Woodson dealing with alot of personalities.
His worst mistake was changjnf his coaching for the playoffs when he could've won more with his previous gameplan. That and sticking with the inconsistent players just because they are the veterans and looking lost in the "play big vs. play small" issue did him in.
Considering his track record in Atlanta and his love for iso and lack of adjustments, I vote he should go.
Since it probably won't happen, I pray for CP3.
as just about every nba franchise..
If we had Chris Paul people would be complaining about him too.
AnubisADL wrote:If we had Chris Paul people would be complaining about him too.
I don't see how. What aspect of his game is there to complain about?
Bonn1997 wrote:AnubisADL wrote:If we had Chris Paul people would be complaining about him too.
I don't see how. What aspect of his game is there to complain about?
defense inability to carry his team pass the first round. Injury prone.
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:AnubisADL wrote:If we had Chris Paul people would be complaining about him too.
I don't see how. What aspect of his game is there to complain about?
defense inability to carry his team pass the first round. Injury prone.
Sure I guess some people will find vague things like that complain about
CrushAlot wrote:NYDiva wrote:I hope JR opts out asap and some idiot team overpays him. He can't be off the team fast enough. Wish Tyson was right behind him.Knicks need to get younger, bigger, & more athletic. If nothing else was shown this series, that was.
No rebounds, no rings, as Riles always said. He's right.
Godawful officiating. Woodson should have stepped up the way Doc did, took them to task publicly, and absorbed the fine. Respect isn't given in this league, it's demanded. Refs clearly don't like or respect the Knicks. A 46-18 disparity at the foul line is just a joke.
Shump is the future. He needs to shot 1000 jumpers at day all off-season. He will be a really good player once he becomes more consistent from the outside. I hope Prigs returns, I hope Kidd & Camby retire.
Melo played with a lot of heart this series, if not always high basketball IQ. He really could use a Chris Paul. A smarter player and a wonderful playmaker. Wish there was some way that could happen...
JR said he wants to retire a knick. He also said he loved his teammates and coaches. I agree with Wally, he is too good of a talent to let walk.
For cheap, I wouldn't mind. But if he stays, and I know this will look like a paradox but, we should get another coach. For all the mistakes Woody made, another one was playing Smith as much as he played him through his terrible stretch where not only he was bricking everything, but was lousy on defense.
We need a better, bigger gameplan next season and I don't believe Woodson is the guy to do so. Good regular season, he has certainly been the best coach we've had in a decade. But that doesn't mean his coaching wasn't exposed this playoffs as limited with a low playoff ceeling.
AnubisADL wrote:holfresh wrote:Melo and Shump are untouchables in my opinion ...Every other position are due for an upgrade...Cope off the bench..Bring in OJ Mayo...
C - ???
PF - ???
SF - Melo
SG - Shumpert
PG - Felton
If we can keep Smith and Copeland then we'd have a nice scoring punch off the bench with those 2 and Amare. We need some starters though.
Felton is not a starting PG. He may not be a PG at all.
MSG3 wrote:There's no way we end up with CP3. Not realistic.
If the Lakers can get anybody they want in pretty lopsided deals, anything is possible.
CP3 wants to win and could help us get him.
It certainly looks like a longshot now, but it may be the only true way we have at really contending next seaaon.
Melo needs a star partner and Stat and Tyson proved to not be even close to that.
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...
the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS
the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.
2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.
2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.
1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol
in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.
if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.
if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.
I agree, carmelo feels he doesn't need to improve, to diversify or raise his game even more.. because in his mind.. he is already a legend...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Durant came up small? He helped the team win a playoff round in the west without Westbrook (or Harden) and put up better #s in terms of scoring, FG%, rebounding, assists, etc. than Melo's career averages (regular or post-season career averages). Are you saying Melo has come up small his entire career?
How did he do when it was only him????...How did he do without Westbrook and Harden..Game results are a little different when u and only you are the focus isn't it????
that excuse is becoming just old and flat out lame..
tkf wrote:Knicksfan wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Woodson dealing with alot of personalities.
His worst mistake was changjnf his coaching for the playoffs when he could've won more with his previous gameplan. That and sticking with the inconsistent players just because they are the veterans and looking lost in the "play big vs. play small" issue did him in.
Considering his track record in Atlanta and his love for iso and lack of adjustments, I vote he should go.
Since it probably won't happen, I pray for CP3.
as just about every nba franchise..
But not everyone has a Melo to entice CP3. Of course, he played with Blake...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Durant came up small? He helped the team win a playoff round in the west without Westbrook (or Harden) and put up better #s in terms of scoring, FG%, rebounding, assists, etc. than Melo's career averages (regular or post-season career averages). Are you saying Melo has come up small his entire career?
How did he do when it was only him????
Again, better than Melo has done all career
Melo been to the WCF as the sole focus of his offense...
and has been a first round victim 7 times or so as the sole focus of the offense as well.. and the year he went to the WCF he had billups as well, so lets stop with the "sole focus"... crap... jeez!!
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Durant came up small? He helped the team win a playoff round in the west without Westbrook (or Harden) and put up better #s in terms of scoring, FG%, rebounding, assists, etc. than Melo's career averages (regular or post-season career averages). Are you saying Melo has come up small his entire career?
How did he do when it was only him????
Again, better than Melo has done all career
Melo been to the WCF as sole focus of his offense...
Sure, in his sixth season of being the sole focus (after five straight first round exits). Durant in his first month of being the sole focus came within 2 playoff wins of achieving what took Melo six years. Durant's better than Melo in every facet of the game. That doesn't mean Melo is a bad player. He's still a very good scorer. I'm amazed at how much difficulty you have admitting that Durant's much better than Melo though. Durant at his worst is still better than Melo's average production.
that is pretty clear bonn... I think the biggest problem with knick fans or carmelo fans is accurately assessing this cat....
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Durant came up small? He helped the team win a playoff round in the west without Westbrook (or Harden) and put up better #s in terms of scoring, FG%, rebounding, assists, etc. than Melo's career averages (regular or post-season career averages). Are you saying Melo has come up small his entire career?
How did he do when it was only him????
Again, better than Melo has done all career
Melo been to the WCF as sole focus of his offense...
Sure, in his sixth season of being the sole focus (after five straight first round exits). Durant in his first month of being the sole focus came within 2 playoff wins of achieving what took Melo six years. Durant's better than Melo in every facet of the game. That doesn't mean Melo is a bad player. He's still a very good scorer. I'm amazed at how much difficulty you have admitting that Durant's much better than Melo though. Durant at his worst is still better than Melo's average production.
Durant didn't have to play teams of the ilk of the Lakers and Spurs when they were dominant either....And I have no problem admitting Durant is a better player at all...Because u decided to jump into a back and forth between myself and Nolad, you have no clue of what my point was and is now twisting it suit your narrative ...My original statement after Nolad said that Melo is no Superstar he is an all star...My retort was something along the line of would u say the say about Durant after coming up small in the playoffs...I compared both results and questioned whether u make such assessment on a playoff series, was the gist of my commentary...But u decide to chime in without knowing the background and run with it....
how about the years when carmelo lost to the clippers and Jazz? come on man...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Durant came up small? He helped the team win a playoff round in the west without Westbrook (or Harden) and put up better #s in terms of scoring, FG%, rebounding, assists, etc. than Melo's career averages (regular or post-season career averages). Are you saying Melo has come up small his entire career?
How did he do when it was only him????
Again, better than Melo has done all career
Melo been to the WCF as sole focus of his offense...
Sure, in his sixth season of being the sole focus (after five straight first round exits). Durant in his first month of being the sole focus came within 2 playoff wins of achieving what took Melo six years. Durant's better than Melo in every facet of the game. That doesn't mean Melo is a bad player. He's still a very good scorer. I'm amazed at how much difficulty you have admitting that Durant's much better than Melo though. Durant at his worst is still better than Melo's average production.
Durant didn't have to play teams of the ilk of the Lakers and Spurs when they were dominant either....And I have no problem admitting Durant is a better player at all...Because u decided to jump into a back and forth between myself and Nolad, you have no clue of what my point was and is now twisting it suit your narrative ...My original statement after Nolad said that Melo is no Superstar he is an all star...My retort was something along the line of would u say the say about Durant after coming up small in the playoffs...I compared both results and questioned whether u make such assessment on a playoff series, was the gist of my commentary...But u decide to chime in without knowing the background and run with it....
I knew the background and was pointing out that your claim that Durant came up small had no basis in reality. He came up bigger than Melo has in at least 9 of his 10 seasons.
He was 5-21 in a close out game...U can't come up smaller than that...maybe 4-21????..Am I missing something here???...Starks 3-18 was a better showing ....
Dude got clipped the first time on his own...U can't change that...On his own he is mortal like everyone else, period...
lol..can't believe these arguments you are making..
so what you are saying is that durant is just another player right? that if given the chance you would not take him over carmelo.. right?
otherwise I don't know what you are trying to say.. if you are attempting to say that durant bleeds and breathes air like we do.. Yes..
is he the same player as carmelo? NO! he is better.. no matter how you try to chop this up..
tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Durant came up small? He helped the team win a playoff round in the west without Westbrook (or Harden) and put up better #s in terms of scoring, FG%, rebounding, assists, etc. than Melo's career averages (regular or post-season career averages). Are you saying Melo has come up small his entire career?
How did he do when it was only him????
Again, better than Melo has done all career
Melo been to the WCF as sole focus of his offense...
Sure, in his sixth season of being the sole focus (after five straight first round exits). Durant in his first month of being the sole focus came within 2 playoff wins of achieving what took Melo six years. Durant's better than Melo in every facet of the game. That doesn't mean Melo is a bad player. He's still a very good scorer. I'm amazed at how much difficulty you have admitting that Durant's much better than Melo though. Durant at his worst is still better than Melo's average production.
Durant didn't have to play teams of the ilk of the Lakers and Spurs when they were dominant either....And I have no problem admitting Durant is a better player at all...Because u decided to jump into a back and forth between myself and Nolad, you have no clue of what my point was and is now twisting it suit your narrative ...My original statement after Nolad said that Melo is no Superstar he is an all star...My retort was something along the line of would u say the say about Durant after coming up small in the playoffs...I compared both results and questioned whether u make such assessment on a playoff series, was the gist of my commentary...But u decide to chime in without knowing the background and run with it....
how about the years when carmelo lost to the clippers and Jazz? come on man...
Ur still pouting over Lin's departure trying to blame Melo...Sad...
Knicksfan wrote:tkf wrote:Knicksfan wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Woodson dealing with alot of personalities.
His worst mistake was changjnf his coaching for the playoffs when he could've won more with his previous gameplan. That and sticking with the inconsistent players just because they are the veterans and looking lost in the "play big vs. play small" issue did him in.
Considering his track record in Atlanta and his love for iso and lack of adjustments, I vote he should go.
Since it probably won't happen, I pray for CP3.
as just about every nba franchise..
But not everyone has a Melo to entice CP3. Of course, he played with Blake...
CP3 probably doesn't give a damn about playing with carmelo.. carmelo can't entice anyone to come here.. that is going to be on dolans pockets and the knicks salary cap....
just keeping it real man..
holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Durant came up small? He helped the team win a playoff round in the west without Westbrook (or Harden) and put up better #s in terms of scoring, FG%, rebounding, assists, etc. than Melo's career averages (regular or post-season career averages). Are you saying Melo has come up small his entire career?
How did he do when it was only him????
Again, better than Melo has done all career
Melo been to the WCF as sole focus of his offense...
Sure, in his sixth season of being the sole focus (after five straight first round exits). Durant in his first month of being the sole focus came within 2 playoff wins of achieving what took Melo six years. Durant's better than Melo in every facet of the game. That doesn't mean Melo is a bad player. He's still a very good scorer. I'm amazed at how much difficulty you have admitting that Durant's much better than Melo though. Durant at his worst is still better than Melo's average production.
Durant didn't have to play teams of the ilk of the Lakers and Spurs when they were dominant either....And I have no problem admitting Durant is a better player at all...Because u decided to jump into a back and forth between myself and Nolad, you have no clue of what my point was and is now twisting it suit your narrative ...My original statement after Nolad said that Melo is no Superstar he is an all star...My retort was something along the line of would u say the say about Durant after coming up small in the playoffs...I compared both results and questioned whether u make such assessment on a playoff series, was the gist of my commentary...But u decide to chime in without knowing the background and run with it....
how about the years when carmelo lost to the clippers and Jazz? come on man...
Ur still pouting over Lin's departure trying to blame Melo...Sad...
LOL.. again, I aked about the clippers and jazz, what the hell does that have to do with LIN.. you see you can't make a point or answer the question, so you deflect... no wonder why you love carmelo...
