They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
You just figuring this out Briggs?
BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
How can you score points when your only get ten shots max even when your hot, because of the star player taking 30 shots..
Don't act like you don't see it when Shump starts making shots or felton or novak, or copeland or amare, then gets pulled, or they go back to iso..Don't start talking about fire power, that involves ball movement, something we don't do regularly, don't start talking fire power when your 2 scorers take tough shots all the time instead of passing to a open guys..
Thus the reason why I started 2 threads talking about adding more scoring from the PG and SG spot. Guys with speed and shooting who can defend. Not stars but key solid role players.
BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
Welcome to 2013 BRIGGS...We need primarily defensive players..... offense will be there if a good system is in place. The team doesn't need a GO TO STAR. We simply need good basketball players who play a TEAM game and not an INDIVIDUAL game.
This isn't a Game of 21 Tip Back 2 or Tip Back 5....That's what Melo is built for
There's probably 10 players combined on these teams together that are 2 way players.....Knicks have none.
And most of those are willing passers.
I must admit Knicks have none of that.
knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
How can you score points when your only get ten shots max even when your hot, because of the star player taking 30 shots..
Don't act like you don't see it when Shump starts making shots or felton or novak, or copeland or amare, then gets pulled, or they go back to iso..Don't start talking about fire power, that involves ball movement, something we don't do regularly, don't start talking fire power when your 2 scorers take tough shots all the time instead of passing to a open guys..
DO role players normally take more than 10 shots?
I think its time for JR to go back to being a Danny Green/Korver/Reddick/Matthews type player.
yellowboy90 wrote:I think its time for JR to go back to being a Danny Green/Korver/Reddick/Matthews type player.
JR Smith needs a brain transplant before he'd be capable of doing that.
Actually, at least one other of our players needs a brain transplant as well. I'll leave it to y'all to figure out who I'm talking about 
knickstorrents wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I think its time for JR to go back to being a Danny Green/Korver/Reddick/Matthews type player.
JR Smith needs a brain transplant before he'd be capable of doing that.
Actually, at least one other of our players needs a brain transplant as well. I'll leave it to y'all to figure out who I'm talking about
Really, so he is not capable of doing what he already has done?
yellowboy90 wrote:knickstorrents wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I think its time for JR to go back to being a Danny Green/Korver/Reddick/Matthews type player.
JR Smith needs a brain transplant before he'd be capable of doing that.
Actually, at least one other of our players needs a brain transplant as well. I'll leave it to y'all to figure out who I'm talking about
Really, so he is not capable of doing what he already has done?
No, we just don't want him to do what he's always done!
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:knickstorrents wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I think its time for JR to go back to being a Danny Green/Korver/Reddick/Matthews type player.
JR Smith needs a brain transplant before he'd be capable of doing that.
Actually, at least one other of our players needs a brain transplant as well. I'll leave it to y'all to figure out who I'm talking about
Really, so he is not capable of doing what he already has done?
No, we just don't want him to do what he's always done!
some of the things, yes but on the court I think his role should be reduced.
knickscity wrote:There's probably 10 players combined on these teams together that are 2 way players.....Knicks have none.And most of those are willing passers.
I must admit Knicks have none of that.
I am hoping shump turns into that. I think Felton is that but he shouldn't be the second or third best player on a team expected to make noise in the playoffs. Flu certainly isn't a two way player and wasn't a one way player in the Indy series.
If the knicks had more offensive fire power, Carmelo wouldn't have to be forced to try and drop 40pts every night....the knicks either have players not talented enough to score or flat out afraid to shoot...
Add the fact we have a coach with no offensive creativity other than ISo plays to get baskets.
It's deeper than melo taking shots. Knicks need to upgrade the talent and look to get guys off outside of one on one basketball
yellowboy90 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
How can you score points when your only get ten shots max even when your hot, because of the star player taking 30 shots..
Don't act like you don't see it when Shump starts making shots or felton or novak, or copeland or amare, then gets pulled, or they go back to iso..Don't start talking about fire power, that involves ball movement, something we don't do regularly, don't start talking fire power when your 2 scorers take tough shots all the time instead of passing to a open guys..
DO role players normally take more than 10 shots?
When they are hot and playing with a star who is willing to pass the rock - YES.
One player doesn't have to take 10 shots, it just needs to be a team effort. Not two players taking 50 shots between them.
loweyecue wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
How can you score points when your only get ten shots max even when your hot, because of the star player taking 30 shots..
Don't act like you don't see it when Shump starts making shots or felton or novak, or copeland or amare, then gets pulled, or they go back to iso..Don't start talking about fire power, that involves ball movement, something we don't do regularly, don't start talking fire power when your 2 scorers take tough shots all the time instead of passing to a open guys..
DO role players normally take more than 10 shots?
When they are hot and playing with a star who is willing to pass the rock - YES.
One player doesn't have to take 10 shots, it just needs to be a team effort. Not two players taking 50 shots between them.
you exaggerate a little too much.
yellowboy90 wrote:loweyecue wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
How can you score points when your only get ten shots max even when your hot, because of the star player taking 30 shots..
Don't act like you don't see it when Shump starts making shots or felton or novak, or copeland or amare, then gets pulled, or they go back to iso..Don't start talking about fire power, that involves ball movement, something we don't do regularly, don't start talking fire power when your 2 scorers take tough shots all the time instead of passing to a open guys..
DO role players normally take more than 10 shots?
When they are hot and playing with a star who is willing to pass the rock - YES.
One player doesn't have to take 10 shots, it just needs to be a team effort. Not two players taking 50 shots between them.
you exaggerate a little too much.
It's not that bad an exaggeration. Melo and JR combined for 41+ shots per game in the post-season.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:loweyecue wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
How can you score points when your only get ten shots max even when your hot, because of the star player taking 30 shots..
Don't act like you don't see it when Shump starts making shots or felton or novak, or copeland or amare, then gets pulled, or they go back to iso..Don't start talking about fire power, that involves ball movement, something we don't do regularly, don't start talking fire power when your 2 scorers take tough shots all the time instead of passing to a open guys..
DO role players normally take more than 10 shots?
When they are hot and playing with a star who is willing to pass the rock - YES.
One player doesn't have to take 10 shots, it just needs to be a team effort. Not two players taking 50 shots between them.
you exaggerate a little too much.
It's not that bad an exaggeration. Melo and JR combined for 41+ shots per game in the post-season.
Add the others what about them don't just show me one half show me the whole thing. Was Shump shots down, prigs, or Felton. I know Tyson's was down because his shots always go down in the playoffs but that's a different story. Kid Shots where down. Maybe that's why there shots ballooned? Maybe not. Shump shots increased and Prigs shots increased. Felton shots increased slightly but he played more minutes. Some guys played less minutes.
Also, show me comparison off other teams players and their FGAs. A quick glance at the spurs and Green and Leonard shots are down with increased minutes.
I will agree and everyone will agree that Melo took too many shots.
CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:There's probably 10 players combined on these teams together that are 2 way players.....Knicks have none.And most of those are willing passers.
I must admit Knicks have none of that.
I am hoping shump turns into that. I think Felton is that but he shouldn't be the second or third best player on a team expected to make noise in the playoffs. Flu certainly isn't a two way player and wasn't a one way player in the Indy series.
You'll need way more than one player.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:loweyecue wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
How can you score points when your only get ten shots max even when your hot, because of the star player taking 30 shots..
Don't act like you don't see it when Shump starts making shots or felton or novak, or copeland or amare, then gets pulled, or they go back to iso..Don't start talking about fire power, that involves ball movement, something we don't do regularly, don't start talking fire power when your 2 scorers take tough shots all the time instead of passing to a open guys..
DO role players normally take more than 10 shots?
When they are hot and playing with a star who is willing to pass the rock - YES.
One player doesn't have to take 10 shots, it just needs to be a team effort. Not two players taking 50 shots between them.
you exaggerate a little too much.
It's not that bad an exaggeration. Melo and JR combined for 41+ shots per game in the post-season.
I exaggerate to make a point. The point was we needed two way players. The counter argument was that since our coach is not willing to involve them in the offense and our resident black holes are not willing to share, two way players would be wasted here.
loweyecue wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:loweyecue wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:They better think offense or guys who can play both ways. We need guys who can score points.
How can you score points when your only get ten shots max even when your hot, because of the star player taking 30 shots..
Don't act like you don't see it when Shump starts making shots or felton or novak, or copeland or amare, then gets pulled, or they go back to iso..Don't start talking about fire power, that involves ball movement, something we don't do regularly, don't start talking fire power when your 2 scorers take tough shots all the time instead of passing to a open guys..
DO role players normally take more than 10 shots?
When they are hot and playing with a star who is willing to pass the rock - YES.
One player doesn't have to take 10 shots, it just needs to be a team effort. Not two players taking 50 shots between them.
you exaggerate a little too much.
It's not that bad an exaggeration. Melo and JR combined for 41+ shots per game in the post-season.
I exaggerate to make a point. The point was we needed two way players. The counter argument was that since our coach is not willing to involve them in the offense and our resident black holes are not willing to share, two way players would be wasted here.
This counter argument is out of these quotes but you say they will be wasted but they would get the same amount as touches here that the role players get in S.A and many other places.
