Knicks · 2015/2016 Season should be the target. (page 1)

We aren't going to win a championship in the next 2 yrs. We will of course look to make the playoffs during this time and fight to get out of the first rd, but at the end of the day the ultimate goal needs to be to add at least 2 more Shumpert level prospect pieces to go along with Melo(resigned), Shump(QO), Hardaway, maybe Felton, & hopefully Leslie can stick. Then with the major cap space go for broke to sign 2 studs or 1 stud and some quality core players.

IMO that should be the line of thinking. Not how we can compete with the big dogs today but how can we build a championship caliber team in 2015/2016. There could be a lot of young talent available around that time. We could be in the mix to par Irving and Love together with Melo. That of course is the best case scenario with low odds of happening but its possible and worth the shot.

newyorknewyork wrote:We aren't going to win a championship in the next 2 yrs. We will of course look to make the playoffs during this time and fight to get out of the first rd, but at the end of the day the ultimate goal needs to be to add at least 2 more Shumpert level prospect pieces to go along with Melo(resigned), Shump(QO), Hardaway, maybe Felton, & hopefully Leslie can stick. Then with the major cap space go for broke to sign 2 studs or 1 stud and some quality core players.

IMO that should be the line of thinking. Not how we can compete with the big dogs today but how can we build a championship caliber team in 2015/2016. There could be a lot of young talent available around that time. We could be in the mix to par Irving and Love together with Melo. That of course is the best case scenario with low odds of happening but its possible and worth the shot.

If we fail again this year then i would seriously look to tarde melo especially as he gets older his production will probably drop off. I am all for gearung up for 2015 and starting over again

Blowing it up next offseason now matter what would be a smart move because we own are 2015 pick.We could be horrible get a high pick and be flush with cap space

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:We aren't going to win a championship in the next 2 yrs. We will of course look to make the playoffs during this time and fight to get out of the first rd, but at the end of the day the ultimate goal needs to be to add at least 2 more Shumpert level prospect pieces to go along with Melo(resigned), Shump(QO), Hardaway, maybe Felton, & hopefully Leslie can stick. Then with the major cap space go for broke to sign 2 studs or 1 stud and some quality core players.

IMO that should be the line of thinking. Not how we can compete with the big dogs today but how can we build a championship caliber team in 2015/2016. There could be a lot of young talent available around that time. We could be in the mix to par Irving and Love together with Melo. That of course is the best case scenario with low odds of happening but its possible and worth the shot.

If we fail again this year then i would seriously look to tarde melo especially as he gets older his production will probably drop off. I am all for gearung up for 2015 and starting over again

Depends on what you would get for Melo, but IMO looking to add 2 more studs with Melo would be the best way to go after a chip.

newyorknewyork wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:We aren't going to win a championship in the next 2 yrs. We will of course look to make the playoffs during this time and fight to get out of the first rd, but at the end of the day the ultimate goal needs to be to add at least 2 more Shumpert level prospect pieces to go along with Melo(resigned), Shump(QO), Hardaway, maybe Felton, & hopefully Leslie can stick. Then with the major cap space go for broke to sign 2 studs or 1 stud and some quality core players.

IMO that should be the line of thinking. Not how we can compete with the big dogs today but how can we build a championship caliber team in 2015/2016. There could be a lot of young talent available around that time. We could be in the mix to par Irving and Love together with Melo. That of course is the best case scenario with low odds of happening but its possible and worth the shot.

If we fail again this year then i would seriously look to tarde melo especially as he gets older his production will probably drop off. I am all for gearung up for 2015 and starting over again

Depends on what you would get for Melo, but IMO looking to add 2 more studs with Melo would be the best way to go after a chip.

Melo would have to take less money and i doubt that would happen. i mean i still believe that if melo just waited to sign with us during free agency we would be better off now

Jmpasq wrote:Blowing it up next offseason now matter what would be a smart move because we own are 2015 pick.We could be horrible get a high pick and be flush with cap space

If we are really going for a chip, the goal would be to team Melo up with 2 more studs, Shumpert, Hardaway and 2 more prospects develop enough to form a strong rotation. Maybe even resign Tyson and Amare as role players for cheap.

I agree:

2013-14 = 5th seed, 1st rd exit
2014-15 = 6th seed, 1st rd eixt, shed salaries by trading tyson and amare (expiring contracts)
summer of 2015 = sign a true elite player to play with melo and sign good role players
2015-16 = real contender

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Melo would have to take less money and i doubt that would happen. i mean i still believe that if melo just waited to sign with us during free agency we would be better off now

Can't really say if we would or wouldn't. Felton would have gotten 8mil, Gallo and W.Chandler would have 10mil each. So yea Melo would have less money but we would still be in the same cap situation. Coming to NY was about the money, Now that he is in NY and would be 30-31 yrs old at this time. Championship most likely would be his #1 priority.

callmened wrote:I agree:

2013-14 = 5th seed, 1st rd exit
2014-15 = 6th seed, 1st rd eixt, shed salaries by trading tyson and amare (expiring contracts)
summer of 2015 = sign a true elite player to play with melo and sign good role players
2015-16 = real contender

This is the plan. In 2015 you have Melo, another max FA, shumpert (hopefully he develops), hardaway, and a solid rest of the supporting cast and can compete.

newyorknewyork wrote:

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Melo would have to take less money and i doubt that would happen. i mean i still believe that if melo just waited to sign with us during free agency we would be better off now

Can't really say if we would or wouldn't. Felton would have gotten 8mil, Gallo and W.Chandler would have 10mil each. So yea Melo would have less money but we would still be in the same cap situation. Coming to NY was about the money, Now that he is in NY and would be 30-31 yrs old at this time. Championship most likely would be his #1 priority.

I agree with everything you just said.

newyorknewyork wrote:

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Melo would have to take less money and i doubt that would happen. i mean i still believe that if melo just waited to sign with us during free agency we would be better off now

Can't really say if we would or wouldn't. Felton would have gotten 8mil, Gallo and W.Chandler would have 10mil each. So yea Melo would have less money but we would still be in the same cap situation. Coming to NY was about the money, Now that he is in NY and would be 30-31 yrs old at this time. Championship most likely would be his #1 priority.

Well it remains to be seen if he would or he wouldnt

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

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Melo would have to take less money and i doubt that would happen. i mean i still believe that if melo just waited to sign with us during free agency we would be better off now

Can't really say if we would or wouldn't. Felton would have gotten 8mil, Gallo and W.Chandler would have 10mil each. So yea Melo would have less money but we would still be in the same cap situation. Coming to NY was about the money, Now that he is in NY and would be 30-31 yrs old at this time. Championship most likely would be his #1 priority.

Well it remains to be seen if he would or he wouldnt

It really doesn't matter what his priority is, he will not change his game and his ball stopping. We don't need studs to play with Melo, we need Melo to play with studs. We need alpha dogs, Melo is never going to be alpha dog on a championship team.

loweyecue wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

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Melo would have to take less money and i doubt that would happen. i mean i still believe that if melo just waited to sign with us during free agency we would be better off now

Can't really say if we would or wouldn't. Felton would have gotten 8mil, Gallo and W.Chandler would have 10mil each. So yea Melo would have less money but we would still be in the same cap situation. Coming to NY was about the money, Now that he is in NY and would be 30-31 yrs old at this time. Championship most likely would be his #1 priority.

Well it remains to be seen if he would or he wouldnt

It really doesn't matter what his priority is, he will not change his game and his ball stopping. We don't need studs to play with Melo, we need Melo to play with studs. We need alpha dogs, Melo is never going to be alpha dog on a championship team.

Melo is what he is. He is a top 5 scorer which is great but he doesnt have too many other things that you need to have in order to be a contender

Right, now 2016 is the target.

Listen, the target should be now. We went all-in with this team, for better or worse. We have no pick in 2014 and we'll be swapping with Denver in 2016 if we're in the lottery. We traded the future for now....and now we want to talk about 2 years from now? You want to build around a 31 year old Carmelo Anthony? What do you think we'll do? Go the free agency route? You think Dolan is going to sit around and wait for free agency or trade his expiring deals for longer contracts? And even on the off chance that we got to free agency, how many players are going to want to come to NY to play with a 31 year old Anthony? It's either win now or blow it completely up in 2 years. Our chances of a title don't get better in 2 years, they get worse.

JamesKPolk wrote:Right, now 2016 is the target.

Listen, the target should be now. We went all-in with this team, for better or worse. We have no pick in 2014 and we'll be swapping with Denver in 2016 if we're in the lottery. We traded the future for now....and now we want to talk about 2 years from now? You want to build around a 31 year old Carmelo Anthony? What do you think we'll do? Go the free agency route? You think Dolan is going to sit around and wait for free agency or trade his expiring deals for longer contracts? And even on the off chance that we got to free agency, how many players are going to want to come to NY to play with a 31 year old Anthony? It's either win now or blow it completely up in 2 years. Our chances of a title don't get better in 2 years, they get worse.

True but i think this past year was our best shot. I mean this year we are a playoff team but we probably arent going to go too far

Well, yeah, and we're definitely going nowhere with Mike Woodson as coach.

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Jmpasq wrote:Blowing it up next offseason now matter what would be a smart move because we own are 2015 pick.We could be horrible get a high pick and be flush with cap space

If we are really going for a chip, the goal would be to team Melo up with 2 more studs, Shumpert, Hardaway and 2 more prospects develop enough to form a strong rotation. Maybe even resign Tyson and Amare as role players for cheap.

Only way that happens if Melo takes a cap friendly deal and im not sure he will

"2034/2035 Season should be our target."

I have been saying this for awhile, trying to sign cost efficient players and develop players that are drafted/undrafted/D League/Europe
Developing players, is the best route we can go because it is cheap/cost efficient, while their value's can be a part of the teams's core (which we lack and be used to build a philosophy/system/chemistry)

Look at players like Hibbert/Vucevic/Ibaka/Harden/Westbrook/Paul George and what they have mean to their franchises as they developed, they can become great assets and stepping stones if they put the time/effort to do so

Finding and developing the next players like Danny Green/Larry Sanders/ Chandler Parson/ Tobias Harris/ Norris Cole/Bledsoe/Lance Stefenson etc....
It takes time and there are chances they might not live up to their potential but with our salary cap, this is the best route we can go while still being a playoff caliber team without being legit contenders for the next 3 years
I really think trying to deal Tyson Chandler for multiple 2nd round picks to Portland would have been ideal while we utilize the MLE (5m MLE on 1 or 2 players) BAE of 2m, and add 3m MLE for the following years on the next 2/3 years
Some players like Bayless's talent level

Think about it, if we had traded him and drafted players like

Muscula
Ledo

a PG like Pierre Jackson/Lorenzo Brown

Carmelo Anthony's opt out in 2014 summer is NOT worth a max contract because it takes away the flexibility to add the players/stars needed to do so in the FA class of 2015
Paying him a salary of over 15m a year limits our abilities to actually build a team around him in which we would still be able to get multiple picks/salary cap room and we still have the ability to sign him with many other FA's in 2015 to a more cap friendly deal
If he opts out and signs with another team, we get NOTHING and paying him a max contract takes away our chances in being a contender in the future as well
We cannot RISK this and allow Anthony to have leverage on the franchise with the risks involved with leaving for NOTHING or signing a max deal that would cripple us financially

I have no problem with keeping Anthony but only if he forgoes his option in his opt out clause in 2014
If he is serious about staying in NYK and being able to build around him, it would be best if he could take lets say 10-12m with a player option in 1 year in 2015 summer, while we can sign players like Lebron/Love/Aldridge and add 2-3 ALL STAR qualities type players in which takes slightly less than their market value like The Heat/Spur's has done to add the talent needed

Positions needed for the future and now

2 PG's
legit SF/PF not a SG/SF
PF
C

With the way

Miami
Indiana
Nets
Bulls

we would be 5th at best

while teams like

Cleveland
Wizards

and even

Orlando
Toronto

could improve greatly in the next 3 years with their salary, through trades as their core will get better/develop

I really like

Jamalle Hagins as a undrafted rookie and would offer him a 2 year deal that would be able to contribute right away and still have decent potential
He has produced and improved EVERY YEAR in the 4 year college level and he is a complete STEAL

Dwayne Davis as a low risk/high reward type player as the *right handed James Harden* that is undrafted
We need a player that can penetrate of that level

Leslie and AJ Mathews are both good signings for our future but we need many positions to be filled for our future as well
Leslie can be the younger more skilled version of Jared Jeffries and AJ Mathews has Anthony Randolph's potential as well
Both has the length/athleticism/DEF to defend 3-4 positions and be game changers on DEF

I agree with Briggs that Heat found a really good player in James Ennis and he fits a position at SF that we need over Tim Hardaway JR since we already have Iman at SG unless he regains his speed/athleticism and improves his PG skills in handle/penetration/decision making and would be able to play some PG in our future

It would have been great if we could have traded Tyson Chandler to Portland and added

Muscula
Ledo
whoever
draft rights back to Pap

in addition to the MLE/BAE signings and all the moves above

I feel it would have allowed us to compete in the play offs and still build in the future and have the salary cap to make big moves in 2015

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:We aren't going to win a championship in the next 2 yrs. We will of course look to make the playoffs during this time and fight to get out of the first rd, but at the end of the day the ultimate goal needs to be to add at least 2 more Shumpert level prospect pieces to go along with Melo(resigned), Shump(QO), Hardaway, maybe Felton, & hopefully Leslie can stick. Then with the major cap space go for broke to sign 2 studs or 1 stud and some quality core players.

IMO that should be the line of thinking. Not how we can compete with the big dogs today but how can we build a championship caliber team in 2015/2016. There could be a lot of young talent available around that time. We could be in the mix to par Irving and Love together with Melo. That of course is the best case scenario with low odds of happening but its possible and worth the shot.

If we fail again this year then i would seriously look to tarde melo especially as he gets older his production will probably drop off. I am all for gearung up for 2015 and starting over again

Depends on what you would get for Melo, but IMO looking to add 2 more studs with Melo would be the best way to go after a chip.

Melo would have to take less money and i doubt that would happen. i mean i still believe that if melo just waited to sign with us during free agency we would be better off now

We would not be better off if he waited..A few guys here would be happy because Gallo would be in a Knick uni..If Melo waited, Knicks would have resigned Gallo, Will, and Felton...Gallo at 10 mil...you would have to pay Will more because when healthy he actually put up better numbers than Gallo..Do will at 8/9 per and Felton at 7 per, Moz at 3 mil...Instead of that Crew, we have Tyson, JR, and KMart...We currently have better players at a cheaper wage..So it was good we got rid of those contracts..