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martin wrote:Shumpert is on his rookie contact, did you forget this? And Melo won't be able to demand $20M in 2015, just no way, or he can take a hike.

When you say "fans didn't want to rebuild with the kids and assets we had in 2010, they didn't want to wait..." you are of course referring to a subset of fans and some very eager ones to see playoffs after 1+ years of not seeing any. And how does it have anything to do with the below.....

What is tragic about rebuilding around (hypothetically) Melo, Love, Rondo, Shump, Felton and other pieces? Have you not picked up on what I have been talking about all along?

You think having anything to do with Melo on your team is bad. We get that. But Dolan doesn't, so you be put the idea behind you and move on past that mental block.

ok, so then you can't say, we will have rondo and love to pair with carmelo , because you are now saying take less than 20 mil or take a hike? do you realistically think he will take less martin? if not, then count him out...

Ok, so now you are talking about getting kevin love and rondo, assuming that no other teams are in the mix...and not having any picks in 2014 and 2016, expect to surround them with a team that can win?

Ok martin.... not sure how this is a recipie for success, but whatever.... If you are happy with that cool.. I think it is far fetched... way too many assumptions.... the celts are building around rondo.. not sure why they would let him go, or why he would want to leave... but whatever...

i will leave it at that..

What is tragic about rebuilding around (hypothetically) Melo, Love, Rondo, Shump, Felton and other pieces? Have you not picked up on what I have been talking about all along?

matin as we speak, every other team in the league is talking about adding rondo and kevin love.. it is tragic that we still speak about building around carmelo... this is not pierce or garnett we are talking about here. .carmelo has given no indication that he is cut from that cloth... with that said, there is about as much chance of this happening for us as it is for about 15 other teams in the league by then.. we have no control over this... one thing I do know, when you have assets and picks, you have control over what you can do with those...

dude, I can't even follow your line of thought. Knicks will have plenty of options in 2015 and that is the main point.

Please name all of the other teams in 2015 that will have the cap room and flexibility and Championship ready team that Love and Rondo would rather go to?

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:The Knicks just opened up the possibility of getting both Rondo and Love to tag along with Melo in 2015. To do that they gave up 2016 first round pick.

ok, martin, realistically how much money do you think carmelo and shumpert will be making...

and one other thing.. fans didn't want to rebuild with the kids and assets we had in 2010, they didn't want to wait.. now we are talking rebuilding again in 2015 with carmelo who will be on the other side of 30... this is just tragic...

but that is another topic...

Shumpert is on his rookie contact, did you forget this? And Melo won't be able to demand $20M in 2015, just no way, or he can take a hike.

When you say "fans didn't want to rebuild with the kids and assets we had in 2010, they didn't want to wait..." you are of course referring to a subset of fans and some very eager ones to see playoffs after 1+ years of not seeing any. And how does it have anything to do with the below.....

What is tragic about rebuilding around (hypothetically) Melo, Love, Rondo, Shump, Felton and other pieces? Have you not picked up on what I have been talking about all along?

You think having anything to do with Melo on your team is bad. We get that. But Dolan doesn't, so you be put the idea behind you and move on past that mental block.

ok, so then you can't say, we will have rondo and love to pair with carmelo , because you are now saying take less than 20 mil or take a hike? do you realistically think he will take less martin? if not, then count him out...

Ok, so now you are talking about getting kevin love and rondo, assuming that no other teams are in the mix...and not having any picks in 2014 and 2016, expect to surround them with a team that can win?

Ok martin.... not sure how this is a recipie for success, but whatever.... If you are happy with that cool.. I think it is far fetched... way too many assumptions.... the celts are building around rondo.. not sure why they would let him go, or why he would want to leave... but whatever...

i will leave it at that..

What is tragic about rebuilding around (hypothetically) Melo, Love, Rondo, Shump, Felton and other pieces? Have you not picked up on what I have been talking about all along?

matin as we speak, every other team in the league is talking about adding rondo and kevin love.. it is tragic that we still speak about building around carmelo... this is not pierce or garnett we are talking about here. .carmelo has given no indication that he is cut from that cloth... with that said, there is about as much chance of this happening for us as it is for about 15 other teams in the league by then.. we have no control over this... one thing I do know, when you have assets and picks, you have control over what you can do with those...

You are the same guy that spoke about not trading for Melo because of our "options." Now we will have options and you are saying we won't lol. Makes no sense. You are letting your Melo hate cloud your judgment on the rest of the team. No trade or option will ever be good enough unless it involves dealing Melo. JUst let it go.

I just see this as taking a shot on a very talented player who's upside is simply to play like he did a couple years ago when he liked the NBA

DLee would have come at a higher price than NoCamby and the picks.

Don't forget we have Amare. Dlee and Amare on the court at the same time is ok if your playing Amare at center.

We are not winning any championships on paper anytime soon. THis is about entertainment and if the benchmark is championship or bust for one's personal goal I might suggest you consider our team is not in synch with what thats about.

Maybe the next go around.

If healthy and surrounded by the right mix Bargs has good upside here.

Keeping up with the Nyets is not evil. Its competitive!

I'm not a fan of Bargnani, but we gave up crap. Camby couldn't last on the court for more than a quarter per month, and Novak has continued to drift further into uselessness ever since the 2012 postseason. I can understand not wanting to give up the picks, but at the same time, we're shaving off future cap hits and receiving undisputably the best player in the deal. (Again, I'm not a fan, but don't try to throw efficiency stats here playing make-believe that Novak was actually an asset.)

It is what it is. I was reading speculation that it may not be all 3 picks going to Toronto in the restructured deal? Fingers crossed. Either way, the team is better than it was yesterday.

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:The Knicks just opened up the possibility of getting both Rondo and Love to tag along with Melo in 2015. To do that they gave up 2016 first round pick.

ok, martin, realistically how much money do you think carmelo and shumpert will be making...

and one other thing.. fans didn't want to rebuild with the kids and assets we had in 2010, they didn't want to wait.. now we are talking rebuilding again in 2015 with carmelo who will be on the other side of 30... this is just tragic...

but that is another topic...

Shumpert is on his rookie contact, did you forget this?

True but once we pick up his option that summer he's eligible to sign an extension a few mos later....

Let me guess he's another young player we decide not to extend until he reaches his QO yr(which would follow our usual pattern) and guess what his cap hit will be?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q37

Larry Bird, following the fourth season of his rookie scale contract Below the estimated average salary1 250% of his previous salary2

Shump previous yr salary will be $2,761,113

$2,761,113 * 250 = $6,902,782 2015 Cap Hit if we extend him the QO

Add Melo/TJ...yea we better start thinking of moving Felton probably now, every little bit of room helps

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VDesai wrote:

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BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

You also get Lee for the 2 yrs in between, which is huge. Lee fills a lot of the biggest holes in our roster- great rebounder and passer

you want Lee for 2 years in between and no shot at full rebuild in 2015? To what end?

I must be the only one here who thinks we still have a shot at winning a title in the next 2 seasons.

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

You also get Lee for the 2 yrs in between, which is huge. Lee fills a lot of the biggest holes in our roster- great rebounder and passer

you want Lee for 2 years in between and no shot at full rebuild in 2015? To what end?

I must be the only one here who thinks we still have a shot at winning a title in the next 2 seasons.

I think there's a chance - I think the KNicks are a rock, paper, scissors type team and I really liked their chances against SA and MIA... not so much against a team with young legs. But I like their chances to upgrade their backend

Jmpasq wrote:We can find a better player for those 3 picks. It might not be right now but those 3 can be put to better use. Amares expiring contract next season with those 3 might get us something decent back.I dont understand the rush to make trades that dont make us any better

Yes. I can't see how Bargs is any better than Stat and he's a backup to stat at best. Complete defensive liability(even worse that Stat) and offensive chucker at worst. If we had 3 draft picks to package we should have gone after a PG or a real big man to fill the holes on the team. We don't need a 7 footer who thinks he's a shooting guard.

knickscity wrote:Some folks should never post again based on what they posted in this thread. Thats why I dont take some of you guys opinion seriously.

yeah many of those posts are straight up embarrassing. wow

ujiri has made a career out of taking advantage of the knicks.

knickscity wrote:Some folks should never post again based on what they posted in this thread. Thats why I dont take some of you guys opinion seriously.

bargnani deal was way too easy to see it was bad. who trades draft picks for a amnesty candidate?

knickscity wrote:agree with you both. sometimes I just think fans see a trade and automatically believe it HAS to be supported. This really is the only fanbase that I know of that approves garbage and swears it will turn into gold nuggets. If Phil makes a deal whether it's good or bad from immediate view some will swear up and down it's a good move no matter what.

bargnani deal was way too easy to see it was bad. who trades draft picks for a amnesty candidate?

knickscity wrote:agree with you both. sometimes I just think fans see a trade and automatically believe it HAS to be supported. This really is the only fanbase that I know of that approves garbage and swears it will turn into gold nuggets. If Phil makes a deal whether it's good or bad from immediate view some will swear up and down it's a good move no matter what.

bargnani deal was way too easy to see it was bad. who trades draft picks for a amnesty candidate?

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knickscity wrote:Some folks should never post again based on what they posted in this thread. Thats why I dont take some of you guys opinion seriously.

U should have made a new thread with the title. "All those who liked the Bargnani trade man up". Could have been a legacy thread like the Most Taylor thread.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knickscity wrote:Some folks should never post again based on what they posted in this thread. Thats why I dont take some of you guys opinion seriously.

U should have made a new thread with the title. "All those who liked the Bargnani trade man up". Could have been a legacy thread like the Most Taylor thread.