Knicks · Beck Reporting Knicks trade for Bargnani (page 9)

IronWillGiroud wrote:look you're in a position here where you are going through the heap of maybe salvage things,

so this is bargs, can't play worse next year than he did last year, so it's all upside on him,

if he can recover even 75% of his peak form, he will be great addition that will spread the hardwoods, drop the long bombs, and he will thrive i think in a role where he is not the number 1 guy, because being number 1 guy is above his head and this is the root of his failure with CRAPTORS

Why didn't we just wait until all teams made decisions on guys instead of being in a rush to get him?

There was no need to trade for Bargs right now....none whatsoever..

BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

We put ourselves in a deeper hole with cap killing contracts. If Bargs gets hurt we're in so much trouble. We have Bargs and Amar'e...unreal

BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

Is this a troll post? You just called this guy a better version of Gallinari? Because that's the furthest thing from the truth.

Lol at you supporting the trading of 1st rounders. I guess Isiah didn't teach you the value of 1st rounders, did he?

BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

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IronWillGiroud wrote:look you're in a position here where you are going through the heap of maybe salvage things,

so this is bargs, can't play worse next year than he did last year, so it's all upside on him,

if he can recover even 75% of his peak form, he will be great addition that will spread the hardwoods, drop the long bombs, and he will thrive i think in a role where he is not the number 1 guy, because being number 1 guy is above his head and this is the root of his failure with CRAPTORS

Why didn't we just wait until all teams made decisions on guys instead of being in a rush to get him?

There was no need to trade for Bargs right now....none whatsoever..

Actually doing it right now was important. His salary goes up after mid nite so the deal wouldn't have worked tomorrow.

IronWillGiroud wrote:WE just got a steal!!!

his value is rock bottom and it will not stay here, he had a fluke of a terrible season,

this is all WIN for us,

he can drop 20 for your, legit 20 any night,

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IronWillGiroud wrote:look you're in a position here where you are going through the heap of maybe salvage things,

so this is bargs, can't play worse next year than he did last year, so it's all upside on him,

if he can recover even 75% of his peak form, he will be great addition that will spread the hardwoods, drop the long bombs, and he will thrive i think in a role where he is not the number 1 guy, because being number 1 guy is above his head and this is the root of his failure with CRAPTORS

Why didn't we just wait until all teams made decisions on guys instead of being in a rush to get him?

There was no need to trade for Bargs right now....none whatsoever..

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

There really is no financial benefit when you're paying butt loads in extra Tax Dollars and Bargs contract is $7.5mil richer in value than what we gave up assuming Raps buyout Camby in his last year. We're going to get crushed with the repeater rates. Novak's 2015-2016 salary is inconsequential.

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IronWillGiroud wrote:look you're in a position here where you are going through the heap of maybe salvage things,

so this is bargs, can't play worse next year than he did last year, so it's all upside on him,

if he can recover even 75% of his peak form, he will be great addition that will spread the hardwoods, drop the long bombs, and he will thrive i think in a role where he is not the number 1 guy, because being number 1 guy is above his head and this is the root of his failure with CRAPTORS

Why didn't we just wait until all teams made decisions on guys instead of being in a rush to get him?

There was no need to trade for Bargs right now....none whatsoever..

The league year starts tomorrow and we needed the salaries to match from the 2012-2013 season

Maybe we should have waited until Dec 15th...nobody wanted him.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

There really is no financial benefit when you're paying butt loads in extra Tax Dollars and Bargs contract is $7.5mil richer in value than what we gave up assuming Raps buyout Camby in his last year. We're going to get crushed with the repeater rates. Novak's 2015-2016 salary is inconsequential.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

There really is no financial benefit when you're paying butt loads in extra Tax Dollars and Bargs contract is $7.5mil richer in value than what we gave up assuming Raps buyout Camby in his last year. We're going to get crushed with the repeater rates. Novak's 2015-2016 salary is inconsequential.

Trading picks to get him though.

We do dump Novak and get rid of summer 2015 salary though.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

There really is no financial benefit when you're paying butt loads in extra Tax Dollars and Bargs contract is $7.5mil richer in value than what we gave up assuming Raps buyout Camby in his last year. We're going to get crushed with the repeater rates. Novak's 2015-2016 salary is inconsequential.

Again what do u care if he is paying repeater rates and Tax dollars Im glad he is because he is ruining the franchise maybe he will sell it. Novaks deal is not inconsequential at all thats 4 million more dollars we can spend on a better player then Novak. There are plenty of players making 4 million that are 10 times better then Novak

It's inconsequential in an expiring yr when there is no other money on the books. He could be deal at draft time that yr gimmie a break. $3.75mil is not a lot salary for 1 season.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

There really is no financial benefit when you're paying butt loads in extra Tax Dollars and Bargs contract is $7.5mil richer in value than what we gave up assuming Raps buyout Camby in his last year. We're going to get crushed with the repeater rates. Novak's 2015-2016 salary is inconsequential.

Again what do u care if he is paying repeater rates and Tax dollars Im glad he is because he is ruining the franchise maybe he will sell it. Novaks deal is not inconsequential at all thats 4 million more dollars we can spend on a better player then Novak. There are plenty of players making 4 million that are 10 times better then Novak

It's inconsequential in an expiring yr when there is no other money on the books. He could be deal at draft time that yr gimmie a break. $3.75mil is not a lot salary for 1 season.

agree, not seeing 4 mill as a big deal when possibly 70+ mill comes off that year. what about feltons PO for that year (think its a player option)? does he need to go to save 2015 $?

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

There really is no financial benefit when you're paying butt loads in extra Tax Dollars and Bargs contract is $7.5mil richer in value than what we gave up assuming Raps buyout Camby in his last year. We're going to get crushed with the repeater rates. Novak's 2015-2016 salary is inconsequential.

Again what do u care if he is paying repeater rates and Tax dollars Im glad he is because he is ruining the franchise maybe he will sell it. Novaks deal is not inconsequential at all thats 4 million more dollars we can spend on a better player then Novak. There are plenty of players making 4 million that are 10 times better then Novak

It's inconsequential in an expiring yr when there is no other money on the books. He could be deal at draft time that yr gimmie a break. $3.75mil is not a lot salary for 1 season.

It actually has a lot of value. It can keep the Knicks from being outbid on a player or 2 or it could keep them from being over the apron giving the the full MLE.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

There really is no financial benefit when you're paying butt loads in extra Tax Dollars and Bargs contract is $7.5mil richer in value than what we gave up assuming Raps buyout Camby in his last year. We're going to get crushed with the repeater rates. Novak's 2015-2016 salary is inconsequential.

Again what do u care if he is paying repeater rates and Tax dollars Im glad he is because he is ruining the franchise maybe he will sell it. Novaks deal is not inconsequential at all thats 4 million more dollars we can spend on a better player then Novak. There are plenty of players making 4 million that are 10 times better then Novak

That's one way to look at it. The other way is that there are plenty of players making half of what Bargnani makes that are 10 times better than him.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

I'll be upfront about this. I don't put much value on Denver's low first round pick or a bunch second rounders. The chances of most of those panning out is low to begin with. Watching teams use our lottery picks to draft players was painful, I agree. Pick 28 or 29? Can't get worked up about it.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I can't believe some of you guys. You cry like lovesick schoolboys when Gallinari gets traded and then you cry over some low first-round pick when we get a better version of Gallinari back. The only real issue is the salary. But you can argue that it was already dead money since it was being invested in Novak and Camby.

No 1 cares about the salary at all, no 1 cares about the players either, we care that are GM's treats Draft picks like they are worthless. You know what we could of done with those 3 picks next year with Amares expiring contract. Im speechless really how did they get bent over so bad to add a 3rd pick. Its unbelievable they were going to amnesty him. We should of told them u take 1 pick or we walk away.

I care about salary because we cared about salary when it came to Lin and a year later we take on more salary after being a Tax Paying team?...Just goes to show how personal it was with Lin.

Oh and Bargs has a trade kicker, so we'll be paying $11.3mil not $11mil. This trade gets worse by the millisecond.

So what 11.3 or 11 im not paying his contract I could care less. No matter what we are over the apron. The money is actually a benefit for the Knicks because they clear Novak on the 2015-16 year. The problem is giving up draft picks. I think we could of dealt Amare possibly at the deadline with those picks for a much much better player or at least over the 2014-15 summer. The Knicks still arent better then Brooklyn,Indian,Chicago,Miami and we pissed away 3 more assets

There really is no financial benefit when you're paying butt loads in extra Tax Dollars and Bargs contract is $7.5mil richer in value than what we gave up assuming Raps buyout Camby in his last year. We're going to get crushed with the repeater rates. Novak's 2015-2016 salary is inconsequential.

Again what do u care if he is paying repeater rates and Tax dollars Im glad he is because he is ruining the franchise maybe he will sell it. Novaks deal is not inconsequential at all thats 4 million more dollars we can spend on a better player then Novak. There are plenty of players making 4 million that are 10 times better then Novak

It's inconsequential in an expiring yr when there is no other money on the books. He could be deal at draft time that yr gimmie a break. $3.75mil is not a lot salary for 1 season.

agree, not seeing 4 mill as a big deal when possibly 70+ mill comes off that year. what about feltons PO for that year (think its a player option)? does he need to go to save 2015 $?