Dolan likely pitched a fit so Cuz Zeke got him a starphuch.
"Weird Science": Take KVH and Gallo and stick them into a blender and you have Barg's!
League needs to cancel this as they have the Draft in NYC and between Brooklyn and Knicks no one got any pics left!
(I know, can't trade consecutive picks!)
Good thing Ted Septian lived, otherwise Isiah would have them traded!
I like how fans can be so comforted by having cap space in two years. We can build around JR then!
This does remind me of isiah/dolan. I remember the marbury deal(which i hated). Not only did we take on marbury's bloated contract but we also took penny(who teh suns felt they were never gonna move). The Eddy Curry trade still gives me nightmares. Forget his heart defect I knew he ate like a cow and he would probably be over 300lbs within a year. So we basicall gave up a ton of picks one of which turned out to be Joakim Noah is is one of the best bigmen in the game
Nalod wrote:
Dolan likely pitched a fit so Cuz Zeke got him a starphuch."Weird Science": Take KVH and Gallo and stick them into a blender and you have Barg's!
League needs to cancel this as they have the Draft in NYC and between Brooklyn and Knicks no one got any pics left!
(I know, can't trade consecutive picks!)
Good thing Ted Septian lived, otherwise Isiah would have them traded!
I like how fans can be so comforted by having cap space in two years. We can build around JR then!
It crossed my mind but Isiah seemed to not be a fan of the trade on NBA TV. He might be a good actor but these types of players have never been a "thing" for him. On a side, I think it is insulting to mention Bargnani in the same sentence as either Gallo or KVH. I was a fan of neither of the later but recognized that they were more than one-trick ponies and had made a notable impact in helping to win games. Meanwhhile, Bargnani has been nothing more than a good jump shooter and little else
That's the first thing I thought when I heard about this deal
Isiah on NBATV and said he don't like it?
Then perhaps he will when we add more assets to it!
Not the Isiah Thomas conspiracy theorists again...
ChuckBuck wrote:Not the Isiah Thomas conspiracy theorists again...
Black flag op's with the prototypical Isiah symptoms all over it!
Former lotto pick with injury history, overpaid, and under achieved!
One can almost Dolan ranting thru the castle demanding an explanation in response to the Celtic/nets trade: "How did this happen" and "Bring me the one they call isiah and bring me a name!!!!!"
Nalod wrote:
Dolan likely pitched a fit so Cuz Zeke got him a starphuch."Weird Science": Take KVH and Gallo and stick them into a blender and you have Barg's!
League needs to cancel this as they have the Draft in NYC and between Brooklyn and Knicks no one got any pics left!
(I know, can't trade consecutive picks!)
Good thing Ted Septian lived, otherwise Isiah would have them traded!
I like how fans can be so comforted by having cap space in two years. We can build around JR then!
Thank god we cant trade consecutive picks or we would never make a pick in the draft. They should name that rule after the Knicks.
3 picks?
1- Would Toronto not accept the deal for 1 1st round pick and giving us back a 2nd round pick?
2- Copeland already showed he could have played in NYK when given the opportunity but Woodson DOES NOT PLAY HIM for the same reason I don't think Bargs will play
3- Ryan Kelly (late 2nd round pick), BJ Mullens (UFA), and or Copeland could outplay Bargs at a much lower rate without giving up assets, also wonder if there was even interest in the league from other teams for DPOY in Chandler
4- What do you do if Melo opts out and demands MAX money starting at over 20m per season next summer or leaves for NOTHING?
5- Our greatest need is to add 2 quality PG's, now that we payed the price with assets and contracts that could land us a decent PG, how do we fill the position we need MOST?
We need penetration/facilitating and a PG that could STAY IN FRONT OF PG's MOST
6- For the picks we gave up, we can possibly even trade Amare for a shorter bad contract, possibly even add 3 quality players like Brandon Rush, PG's in Twolves like Ridnour (at least Barea), and another solid player
This is just a HORRIBLE move financially as we had much cheaper options and players we could have targeted with the assets we used
RonRon wrote:3 picks?1- Would Toronto not accept the deal for 1 1st round pick and giving us back a 2nd round pick?
2- Copeland already showed he could have played in NYK when given the opportunity but Woodson DOES NOT PLAY HIM for the same reason I don't think Bargs will play
3- Ryan Kelly (late 2nd round pick), BJ Mullens (UFA), and or Copeland could outplay Bargs at a much lower rate without giving up assets, also wonder if there was even interest in the league from other teams for DPOY in Chandler
4- What do you do if Melo opts out and demands MAX money starting at over 20m per season next summer or leaves for NOTHING?
5- Our greatest need is to add 2 quality PG's, now that we payed the price with assets and contracts that could land us a decent PG, how do we fill the position we need MOST?
We need penetration/facilitating and a PG that could STAY IN FRONT OF PG's MOST
6- For the picks we gave up, we can possibly even trade Amare for a shorter bad contract
They are trying to keep Melo.
Grunwald is doing what he said he would.
Adding to the core. If we bring everyone back we are a better team plain and simple.
AnubisADL wrote:RonRon wrote:3 picks?1- Would Toronto not accept the deal for 1 1st round pick and giving us back a 2nd round pick?
2- Copeland already showed he could have played in NYK when given the opportunity but Woodson DOES NOT PLAY HIM for the same reason I don't think Bargs will play
3- Ryan Kelly (late 2nd round pick), BJ Mullens (UFA), and or Copeland could outplay Bargs at a much lower rate without giving up assets, also wonder if there was even interest in the league from other teams for DPOY in Chandler
4- What do you do if Melo opts out and demands MAX money starting at over 20m per season next summer or leaves for NOTHING?
5- Our greatest need is to add 2 quality PG's, now that we payed the price with assets and contracts that could land us a decent PG, how do we fill the position we need MOST?
We need penetration/facilitating and a PG that could STAY IN FRONT OF PG's MOST
6- For the picks we gave up, we can possibly even trade Amare for a shorter bad contract
They are trying to keep Melo.
Grunwald is doing what he said he would.
Adding to the core. If we bring everyone back we are a better team plain and simple.
Anubis, your reply does not justify any of the above, there simply is no market for Barg's and there was a good chance that he would even get amnestied and he we could sign him with a vet min contract, instead we pay top value for him
What does Ujsuri have on us in trades?
I was wondering why I felt bad about this trade. Now I know. Dolan/Isiah got involved.
When I first read the trade I thought Toronto was giving us the picks and even then I was questioning the trade.
Nalod wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Not the Isiah Thomas conspiracy theorists again...
Black flag op's with the prototypical Isiah symptoms all over it!Former lotto pick with injury history, overpaid, and under achieved!
One can almost Dolan ranting thru the castle demanding an explanation in response to the Celtic/nets trade: "How did this happen" and "Bring me the one they call isiah and bring me a name!!!!!"
Overpayed???..How and whom???..Novak and Camby??..Two useless guys at the end of the bench??..
I'm not sure how anyone can justify this deal as being close to reasonable. At the top of our needs was low usage, high efficiency, high rebounding players... Barg is pretty much the exact opposite of this.
Who is going to rebound all the misses from Melo and JR's iso plays? It ain't gonna be Bargs I'll tell you that.
RonRon wrote:Anubis, your reply does not justify any of the above, there simply is no market for Barg's and there was a good chance that he would even get amnestied and he we could sign him with a vet min contract, instead we pay top value for him
What does Ujsuri have on us in trades?
Camby and Novak are top value? Come on man.
Yea it sucks trading the pick but we got a serviceable player for 2 useless players.
At very least we got a rotational big which allows us more flexibility with the MMLE.
The trade is two guys who gave the team nothing in the playoffs and very little during the regular season, for a 27 year old, 7 footer, that can shoot!
The trade is no brainer.
Chandler
bargs
Melo
Shump
Felton
Bench:
Stat
JR
Prigs
Timmy Jr.
Offense all over the place, D with Shump and TC. Still need an enforcer off the bench ala KMART.
Trade only fails if the pick gets is unprotected and is lotto pick.
Camby gets to retrace his career. Weird.
Novak is a roll player whom Bargs fills very nicely.
you guys need to work WITH the drugs. Don't fight it, it will only make you feel worse. Ride it out and eventually/hopefully sanity will return.
Jmpasq wrote:Nalod wrote:
Dolan likely pitched a fit so Cuz Zeke got him a starphuch."Weird Science": Take KVH and Gallo and stick them into a blender and you have Barg's!
League needs to cancel this as they have the Draft in NYC and between Brooklyn and Knicks no one got any pics left!
(I know, can't trade consecutive picks!)
Good thing Ted Septian lived, otherwise Isiah would have them traded!
I like how fans can be so comforted by having cap space in two years. We can build around JR then!
Thank god we cant trade consecutive picks or we would never make a pick in the draft. They should name that rule after the Knicks.
Did they trade this years pick and 2future 2nd rounders. If so, I got no beef. No one had Timmy JR making a difference and Dolan has shown that he will buy 2nd rounders no problem so, this is not really an Isiah type move after all. Isiah would have traded numerous unprotected 1st round pick while making moves that were sure to make us a lottory team. Not even close to an Isiah move because it doesn't in itself hurt the franchise for years to come.
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:The trade is two guys who gave the team nothing in the playoffs and very little during the regular season, for a 27 year old, 7 footer, that can shoot!The trade is no brainer.
Chandler
bargs
Melo
Shump
Felton
Bench:
Stat
JR
Prigs
Timmy Jr.
Offense all over the place, D with Shump and TC. Still need an enforcer off the bench ala KMART.
You are assuming Bargs can shoot. Well, he hasn't shot well in the last 3 years.
You say that Novak was nothing, but guess who led the Knicks in 3 pt shooting last year as well as the year before. Yep Novak. Last year he "fell" to 43% from 47% the yr before. The Knicks take the most 3 pt shots of any team. Bargs can't shoot 3 pointers any more. 30.9%; 29.6%; 34.5% in the past 3 years. Don't give me the excuse that Bargs was injured. How many games will Bargs be able to play this year? Novak missed one game last year.
Novak can't play defense and doesn't rebound. But neither does Bargs. The excuse people make for Bargs is that he plays on the perimeter. But so does Novak.
Turnovers - Knicks had the fewest turnovers of any team in the league. Novak had .1 turnovers/game. Yes the decimal point is in the right place. 1/10 of a turnover/game. Bargs was respectable for the amt of action he gets at 1.1 last year and 2.0 the year before.
Re: Camby - I am not sure why Woody didn't play him even when Camby was healthy. The previous year, Camby, at age 38 had an excellent year. Maybe Woody doesn't like Camby?
The idea that we are trading Novak to free up cap space for 2015-16 is ridiculous. That is 2 whole years from now. We'd have lots of time....and till have the picks to add if we needed, to make a trade. And less years on Novaks contract for another team to take on.
Bad trade. I hope Stern disallows it.
