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Lebron will not go to the pacers...lol

callmened wrote:Lebron will not go to the pacers...lol

Also, I don't see Mahini as being that good. I think Plumlee/Scola will probably take his minutes and I don't see him as a guy that could start somewhere else.

callmened wrote:Lebron will not go to the pacers...lol

1000000000000000% agreed!

Why do people even think he's leaving Miami- they can rebuild around him with all the capspace, it's an attractive destination for free agents, there's none of the pressure that comes with the Knicks or the lakers, and they have a great owner (who actually seems like a nice guy). Yet writers seem to be busy pushing this myth that he'll leave there. Lebron would be an idiot to change teams again.

yes it is unlikely that he would be a Pacer or back to Cleveland but given their defensive abilities, potential, style of play, talents on their roster, with their ability to get better with financial flexibility, future draft picks, and possible trades, it is far more likely than him ever coming to NYK to play with Melo

Paul George alone demands more incentive to team up with, and adding Hibbert in the mix.....
Lebron respects Paul George's all round unselfish play with his growing potential, defensive versatilities/abilities, and ability to perform in the clutch, he earned Lebron's respect in last seasons ECF performance

Irving/Bynum/Varejo/Jack and all their young pieces as well

DEFENSE, EFFICIENCY, TEAM PLAY, UNSELFISH PLAY, and the ABILITY to spread the floor, are qualities that Lebron looks for, Melo does not fit it

RonRon wrote:yes it is unlikely that he would be a Pacer or back to Cleveland but given their defensive abilities, potential, style of play, talents on their roster, with their ability to get better with financial flexibility, future draft picks, and possible trades, it is far more likely than him ever coming to NYK to play with Melo

Paul George alone demands more incentive to team up with, and adding Hibbert in the mix.....
Lebron respects Paul George's all round unselfish play with his growing potential, defensive versatilities/abilities, and ability to perform in the clutch, he earned Lebron's respect in last seasons ECF performance

Irving/Bynum/Varejo/Jack and all their young pieces as well

DEFENSE, EFFICIENCY, TEAM PLAY, UNSELFISH PLAY, and the ABILITY to spread the floor, are qualities that Lebron looks for, Melo does not fit it

I agree he definitely isn't coming to NY! At best, we'll end up with someone like Kevin Love (who I can't stand!), but I do live in fear that we'll end up like Dallas did the past few seasons- Melo signed, but no one else willing to sign with us.

Bucks are about to sign Gary neal. Can anyone explain the logic of this for the Bucks (already have OJ Mayo, Jennings, Luke Ridnour, Nate Walters and ish Smith), or Gary Neal (team going no where and playing with a couple of chuckers in Jennings and Mayo)? Can't believe the market was so low for him.

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With JR Smith here, I just don't see the need or/and fit for Gary Neal in NYK either, Neal takes bad shots that he is capable of making
Unlike Nate Robinson, who brings speed/quickness with his ability to penetrate in addition to his scoring abilities
I think Nate would have been useful for us on both ends with his speed where as Neal is a streaky shooter/scorer who you play when he is hot and don't play when he is not

Would rather focus on 2 guards that have speed/quickness/ability to penetrate and facilitate and could DEFEND 2 positions in PG/SG
Since Pablo and Felton are not good defenders vs PG or SG's, more likely vs NBA contenders and play off time

Tourre Murry/Darius Morris would make sense if they work on their 3pt shot with Hopla and improve their ability to facilitate with Pablo's mentorship/guidance
Though Bobby Brown, could be a similar to a poor man's Jared Bayless/Baron Davis, to give us a PG that could score/shoot with speed/quickness/handle and penetrate
Not sure how is defense is though in the NBA competition though I think he would be a serviceable backup scoring PG

Dionte Christmas is another under radar combo guard who was on the Summer League for Boston that I liked last year and went around Europe/D League and played well for The Sun's this year in the summer league, who is unlikely to make our team with all the FA's available and the way Woodson/Knick's prefers veterans over developing players

FA PG's still available
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Udrih *Veteran*
Patty Mills
AJ Price

the above are better "distributors/facilitators"

Mo Williams *Veteran*

is a veteran that is a shooter that can compliment Melo's with his shooting ability in a spread/iso offense/ and has shown he can distribute/create in the past few years rather than just a shooter when used in Cleveland with Lebron

Combo Guards
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Murry *questionable 3pt shot/mid range* / Darrius Morris

Jannero Pargo/ Keyon Dooling *Veterans*

the above are the better defenders that are FA's that could defend PG/SG and show adequate PG skills with the ability to hit a wide open 3pt shot *Murry probably is questionable but like his combination of size/defense/and defensive intensity to pressure guards, however, with Hopla is our 3pt development coach, he can likely help improve/develop players with work ethic and show signs of a shooting form/with some sort of shooting ability already

Bobby Brown
Dionte Christmas

In any scenario though, I would demand a 2 year TEAM OPTION so players don't get to do a 1year and done like Copeland or Lin with us, without getting any compensation if we develop or find a steal

For Woodson, I highlighted veterans since he generally prefers veterans over talent/developing players, unless the rookie shows strong/great lock down potential/heart/work ethic like Iman did and Murry shows

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA now
Pacers will trade Miles Plumlee, Gerald Green and 2014 protected 1st round pick to Suns for Luis Scola, sources tell Y! Sports.

Wow. I am a bit surprised the Pacers are trading Plumlee. Hill fits that salary slot as well. Plumlee looked really good in the summer league games/highlights I saw. Nice move for both teams. If Mahini gets moved there will be nothing left from Walsh's one year in Indy.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m
Love deal for both teams. Indy brings Scola and Granger off its bench now, which could get them over top in East. Plumlee and pick for Suns.

CrushAlot wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA now
Pacers will trade Miles Plumlee, Gerald Green and 2014 protected 1st round pick to Suns for Luis Scola, sources tell Y! Sports.

Wow. I am a bit surprised the Pacers are trading Plumlee. Hill fits that salary slot as well. Plumlee looked really good in the summer league games/highlights I saw. Nice move for both teams. If Mahini gets moved there will be nothing left from Walsh's one year in Indy.

Plumlee AND a first rounder? And yet we get blasted for the Bargs trade because we gave up a pick. Not a fan of this trade for them at all. Plus didn't Scola have some sort of degenerative knee problem? Isn't that one of the reasons he got amnestied?

CrushAlot wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA now
Pacers will trade Miles Plumlee, Gerald Green and 2014 protected 1st round pick to Suns for Luis Scola, sources tell Y! Sports.

Wow. I am a bit surprised the Pacers are trading Plumlee. Hill fits that salary slot as well. Plumlee looked really good in the summer league games/highlights I saw. Nice move for both teams. If Mahini gets moved there will be nothing left from Walsh's one year in Indy.

Great trade for Suns, considering Scola was just an asset picked up for free from the amnesty, netting 1 protected draft pick in a "deep draft" and 1 young high potential player
Like Houston, The Sun's are collecting as many assets as they can, starting with the 4 picks they got for Steven Nash with 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks, and all could be nice picks with the direction Laker's could be headed

I wonder if we can pry Dragic from The Sun's with our need for a PG
This would help open the playing time and development of both Bledsoe and Archie Goodwin, maybe even raise the value of last year's pick Kendall Marshall
They have possibly 3 1st round picks next summer in 2014 and 7 1st round picks through 2015 in addition to their young core

Trading Dragic/ Gortat and/or Butler (both are expirings) will likely allow their young players to develop and TANK for a top 5 pick, with the TOP PICK likely being Andrew Wiggons *physically/skills comparable to Rudy Gay*
In addition, they are likely trying to clear the salaries committed to Beasley and/or Channing Frye *player option* (the only other players besides Dragic and Bledsoe who would likely demand a high raise)

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA now
Pacers will trade Miles Plumlee, Gerald Green and 2014 protected 1st round pick to Suns for Luis Scola, sources tell Y! Sports.

Wow. I am a bit surprised the Pacers are trading Plumlee. Hill fits that salary slot as well. Plumlee looked really good in the summer league games/highlights I saw. Nice move for both teams. If Mahini gets moved there will be nothing left from Walsh's one year in Indy.

Plumlee AND a first rounder? And yet we get blasted for the Bargs trade because we gave up a pick. Not a fan of this trade for them at all. Plus didn't Scola have some sort of degenerative knee problem? Isn't that one of the reasons he got amnestied?

Not sure but Plumlee blew up in the summer league. I was a bit surprised they didn't move Hill. He is somewhat similar to Cope and his cap hold is almost identical to Plumlee's. The only thing I would say about the pick is that it will be late as the Pacers will be good. That being said, what was given up was a lot more then the Knicks gave up to get Bargs. I know Scola's knee has been an issue but I think he was amnestied during Houston's first run at Howard for cap space.

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CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA now
Pacers will trade Miles Plumlee, Gerald Green and 2014 protected 1st round pick to Suns for Luis Scola, sources tell Y! Sports.

Wow. I am a bit surprised the Pacers are trading Plumlee. Hill fits that salary slot as well. Plumlee looked really good in the summer league games/highlights I saw. Nice move for both teams. If Mahini gets moved there will be nothing left from Walsh's one year in Indy.

Plumlee AND a first rounder? And yet we get blasted for the Bargs trade because we gave up a pick. Not a fan of this trade for them at all. Plus didn't Scola have some sort of degenerative knee problem? Isn't that one of the reasons he got amnestied?

Not sure but Plumlee blew up in the summer league. I was a bit surprised they didn't move Hill. He is somewhat similar to Cope and his cap hold is almost identical to Plumlee's. The only thing I would say about the pick is that it will be late as the Pacers will be good. That being said, what was given up was a lot more then the Knicks gave up to get Bargs. I know Scola's knee has been an issue but I think he was amnestied during Houston's first run at Howard for cap space.

Hill is a local product. Getting rid of him wouldn't sit well in Indy!

Indiana chose to keep fortifying the current team and moved their youth to do so. That's how you put it on the table....

The recognize they have a great chance with the team they have and they fortified it.

Knicks fans have to realize that. You can't worry about draft picks and the future when you are so close to possibly winning it all now. You gotta go for it and then look at 2015 to start it over.

EnySpree wrote:Indiana chose to keep fortifying the current team and moved their youth to do so. That's how you put it on the table....

The recognize they have a great chance with the team they have and they fortified it.

Knicks fans have to realize that. You can't worry about draft picks and the future when you are so close to possibly winning it all now. You gotta go for it and then look at 2015 to start it over.

All I know is that if we'd traded 3 first rounders and were paying $80 mil in luxury tax for Paul Pierce, Terry and KG, or if we traded Tim Hardaway Jr and a first round pick for Scola, we'd never hear the end of it- how it was another terrible Knick move, trading away the future for a short term fix etc etc. But apparently if another team does it, it's a fantastic move!

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Indiana chose to keep fortifying the current team and moved their youth to do so. That's how you put it on the table....

The recognize they have a great chance with the team they have and they fortified it.

Knicks fans have to realize that. You can't worry about draft picks and the future when you are so close to possibly winning it all now. You gotta go for it and then look at 2015 to start it over.

All I know is that if we'd traded 3 first rounders and were paying $80 mil in luxury tax for Paul Pierce, Terry and KG, or if we traded Tim Hardaway Jr and a first round pick for Scola, we'd never hear the end of it- how it was another terrible Knick move, trading away the future for a short term fix etc etc. But apparently if another team does it, it's a fantastic move!

It might be both. It's questionable at best long term for Brooklyn but people don't really care about Brooklyn long-term here. Immediately, it puts Brooklyn at least even with and likely ahead of us. I expect them to be ahead of us next year and they still have more long-term assets than we do. Toward the end of the season, Deron's ankles were the healthiest they'd been in years and he put up monster #s. If he can stay that healthy, we're going to lose the battle of NYC.

Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 1m
And as for the Pacers, paying such a steep price for Scola makes their Copeland signing look strange, in hindsight. But they're deep.

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Phew, in that if he had signed with the Bulls or heat, he would have turned back time in the playoffs and pummelled us into submission!

Still, we lost 2nd rounders for nothing. I was so happy to have him back, and so disappointed that he came to camp out of shape. Went downhill from there. How is he getting minutes when they have Dwight and Asik?

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Phew, in that if he had signed with the Bulls or heat, he would have turned back time in the playoffs and pummelled us into submission!

Still, we lost 2nd rounders for nothing. I was so happy to have him back, and so disappointed that he came to camp out of shape. Went downhill from there. How is he getting minutes when they have Dwight and Asik?

I wonder if this means Asik is moving on. Morey wants to move Lin and with his contract it would seem you would need to sweeten the deal quite a bit. I know Marcus passed the Rockets physical.

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