Bonn1997 wrote:loweyecue wrote:So we payJR 25MM and Priggy gets 6MM but we don't even try to really retain Copeland? This was the guy that played well every opportunity he had - and stepped his game up in the playoffs. There's no logic in this - typical Knicks. We desperately need another defensive big but now KMart and Brand are out of our reach. We pAid Prigs but it didn't solve our issues at PG because he is old and can't shoulder the load in Felton gets injured. But then again these ARE the KNICKS.
I don't like it either. I would have made Copeland a higher priority than JR, Priggy, or Andrea.
JR and Bargs have nothing to do with Cope. If the Knicks wanted Prigs back the best they could do was split the mmle. My guess is if cope comes back it is for one year so the Knicks get his early bird rights and then can pay him more. Not sure if that happens but if it does my guess is cpoe's deal will be criticized for taking cap space in 2015.
CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:loweyecue wrote:So we payJR 25MM and Priggy gets 6MM but we don't even try to really retain Copeland? This was the guy that played well every opportunity he had - and stepped his game up in the playoffs. There's no logic in this - typical Knicks. We desperately need another defensive big but now KMart and Brand are out of our reach. We pAid Prigs but it didn't solve our issues at PG because he is old and can't shoulder the load in Felton gets injured. But then again these ARE the KNICKS.
I don't like it either. I would have made Copeland a higher priority than JR, Priggy, or Andrea.
JR and Bargs have nothing to do with Cope. If the Knicks wanted Prigs back the best they could do was split the mmle. My guess is if cope comes back it is for one year so the Knicks get his early bird rights and then can pay him more. Not sure if that happens but if it does my guess is cpoe's deal will be criticized for taking cap space in 2015.
I bring up those other plays because you can only do one thing at a time. I would have had continuous talks with Copeland before even saying hello to JR or Prigs. And if we kept Cope, we could have kept our draft picks and forgotten about Bargs.
Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:loweyecue wrote:So we payJR 25MM and Priggy gets 6MM but we don't even try to really retain Copeland? This was the guy that played well every opportunity he had - and stepped his game up in the playoffs. There's no logic in this - typical Knicks. We desperately need another defensive big but now KMart and Brand are out of our reach. We pAid Prigs but it didn't solve our issues at PG because he is old and can't shoulder the load in Felton gets injured. But then again these ARE the KNICKS.
I don't like it either. I would have made Copeland a higher priority than JR, Priggy, or Andrea.
JR and Bargs have nothing to do with Cope. If the Knicks wanted Prigs back the best they could do was split the mmle. My guess is if cope comes back it is for one year so the Knicks get his early bird rights and then can pay him more. Not sure if that happens but if it does my guess is cpoe's deal will be criticized for taking cap space in 2015.
I bring up those other plays because you can only do one thing at a time. I would have had continuous talks with Copeland before even saying hello to JR or Prigs. And if we kept Cope, we could have kept our draft picks and forgotten about Bargs.
Copeland is pretty one dimensional from what I recall. He can score. He is a bad defender and so so rebounder at best. He is not a good passer either. I have no clue why you are acting like Copeland is some multi-dimensional player. He is not.
JR is easily better than Cope. Andrea is more proven than Cope.
More proven at being one dimensional than Cope? Guess I have to agree to that.
loweyecue wrote:More proven at being one dimensional than Cope? Guess I have to agree to that.
Barg's is more proven at his one dimension (scoring) than Cope is. Let's not kidd ourselves. Cope can score the ball and does absolutely nothing else consistently or well. No clue why you guys are pretending otherwise. Copeland is damn near 30 years old. He won't be improving much... What you see is what you will get with him.
So, if we are talking about one dimensional scorers, I will take the one that has put up 20 ppg in the past, is younger and taller.
NUPE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:loweyecue wrote:So we payJR 25MM and Priggy gets 6MM but we don't even try to really retain Copeland? This was the guy that played well every opportunity he had - and stepped his game up in the playoffs. There's no logic in this - typical Knicks. We desperately need another defensive big but now KMart and Brand are out of our reach. We pAid Prigs but it didn't solve our issues at PG because he is old and can't shoulder the load in Felton gets injured. But then again these ARE the KNICKS.
I don't like it either. I would have made Copeland a higher priority than JR, Priggy, or Andrea.
JR and Bargs have nothing to do with Cope. If the Knicks wanted Prigs back the best they could do was split the mmle. My guess is if cope comes back it is for one year so the Knicks get his early bird rights and then can pay him more. Not sure if that happens but if it does my guess is cpoe's deal will be criticized for taking cap space in 2015.
I bring up those other plays because you can only do one thing at a time. I would have had continuous talks with Copeland before even saying hello to JR or Prigs. And if we kept Cope, we could have kept our draft picks and forgotten about Bargs.
Copeland is pretty one dimensional from what I recall. He can score. He is a bad defender and so so rebounder at best. He is not a good passer either. I have no clue why you are acting like Copeland is some multi-dimensional player. He is not.
JR is easily better than Cope. Andrea is more proven than Cope.
All of the criticisms you put of Cope are true of and even worse for Andrea. Andrea is a proven net negative on the court. I'd rather gamble on someone who has a better impact on the game.
You have no clue on what I base my evaluations on? Are you new here?
Iguodala is headed to the Warriors for 4 years per ESPN...
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on...
The Warriors have made their free agency splash and it's not the player many were expecting it to be.According to multiple reports, Andre Iguodala has signed a four-year, $48 million deal with the Warriors.
To make room for Iguodala, the Warriors also agreed to a trade with the Utah Jazz exchanging Richard Jefferson and Andris Biedrins for a currently unknown package, according to multiple reports. The Warriors, who were over the cap, unloaded roughly $20 million to the Jazz, clearing just enough money to fit Iguodala's salary in.
I don't get why he didn't stay in Denver for that discount. Also, this makes it easier to part with Barnes or Thompson or both.
Maybe it was more about which team was more competitive.
yellowboy90 wrote:I don't get why he didn't stay in Denver for that discount. Also, this makes it easier to part with Barnes or Thompson or both.
he wants a chance to win, denver doesnt provide that with all the confusion and changes going on.
Terrible offseason for the nuggets so far- looks like the days of them dominating these message boards are over.
Bonn1997 wrote:NUPE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:loweyecue wrote:So we payJR 25MM and Priggy gets 6MM but we don't even try to really retain Copeland? This was the guy that played well every opportunity he had - and stepped his game up in the playoffs. There's no logic in this - typical Knicks. We desperately need another defensive big but now KMart and Brand are out of our reach. We pAid Prigs but it didn't solve our issues at PG because he is old and can't shoulder the load in Felton gets injured. But then again these ARE the KNICKS.
I don't like it either. I would have made Copeland a higher priority than JR, Priggy, or Andrea.
JR and Bargs have nothing to do with Cope. If the Knicks wanted Prigs back the best they could do was split the mmle. My guess is if cope comes back it is for one year so the Knicks get his early bird rights and then can pay him more. Not sure if that happens but if it does my guess is cpoe's deal will be criticized for taking cap space in 2015.
I bring up those other plays because you can only do one thing at a time. I would have had continuous talks with Copeland before even saying hello to JR or Prigs. And if we kept Cope, we could have kept our draft picks and forgotten about Bargs.
Copeland is pretty one dimensional from what I recall. He can score. He is a bad defender and so so rebounder at best. He is not a good passer either. I have no clue why you are acting like Copeland is some multi-dimensional player. He is not.
JR is easily better than Cope. Andrea is more proven than Cope.
All of the criticisms you put of Cope are true of and even worse for Andrea. Andrea is a proven net negative on the court. I'd rather gamble on someone who has a better impact on the game.
You have no clue on what I base my evaluations on? Are you new here?
Andrea has proven he could put up 20 ppg on bad teams at a 45% shooting when healthy. So, I will take the better one dimensional scorer that is younger and has more height. Also, I don't see what point you are trying to make. Trading for Barg's does not preclude or stop the NYK from signing Copeland.
Utah have now renounced Millsap so they can take on those two contracts from the warriors (plus 2 first rounders). So that means they've lost Millsap and Jefferson for nothing, when they could at least have gotten some picks before the trade deadline earlier in the season.
And now Warriors renounce the rights to Jarrett Jack. Two nice free agents out there as a result of the Howard manoeuvrings- Jack and Millsap, shame we have no money!
smackeddog wrote:Utah have now renounced Millsap so they can take on those two contracts from the warriors (plus 2 first rounders). So that means they've lost Millsap and Jefferson for nothing, when they could at least have gotten some picks before the trade deadline earlier in the season.
That was a crazy decision not to trade them this past season.
VCoug wrote:smackeddog wrote:Utah have now renounced Millsap so they can take on those two contracts from the warriors (plus 2 first rounders). So that means they've lost Millsap and Jefferson for nothing, when they could at least have gotten some picks before the trade deadline earlier in the season.
That was a crazy decision not to trade them this past season.
yep, they could have 4 first rounders but they got something though
Matt Barnes just signed a new deal with the Clips.
Cope signed with the pacers. Lets use the rest of mle on Will Bynum. Hopefully we can get brand or kmart with min deals.
Clean wrote:Cope signed with the pacers. Lets use the rest of mle on Will Bynum. Hopefully we can get brand or kmart with min deals.
Why? We already have Prigioni and Hardaway Jr. Shump can also play some point, we need another guy on the wing.
knickscity wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I don't get why he didn't stay in Denver for that discount. Also, this makes it easier to part with Barnes or Thompson or both.
he wants a chance to win, denver doesnt provide that with all the confusion and changes going on.
They weren't going to get Barnes or Thompson for Iggy and they didn't want to do Iggy any favors of receiving the higher dollars and % leaving them for a rival team less offer.
Good for Kroenke if he can land Monta Ellis for cheaper, which is the current rumor.
STATMELO wrote:Clean wrote:Cope signed with the pacers. Lets use the rest of mle on Will Bynum. Hopefully we can get brand or kmart with min deals.
Why? We already have Prigioni and Hardaway Jr. Shump can also play some point, we need another guy on the wing.
We need a PG that can constantly break down the D. That was why we were mainly a shooting team. No one could constantly break down the D and get to the hoop.
