and you knew for a fact that your ownership isn't trying to build for a championship run by adding pieces around you, wouldn't you try and get as much money as you can from that team ? Wouldn't that be a wise businessman approach ?
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So as fans why do we complain when players do just that ?
We all have our motivations. Personally after the first 10 million I'm not sure money matters anymore... legacy, championships, and getting into the Hall of Fame would be more important to me.
I definitely don't think the Knicks are a championship organization, so not sure how much money would matter in that case.
Sorry I'm a debbie downer.
Is this a simple yes/no question or is there some other point you really want to make? I'd like to think that if I'd already earned $100 mil or more, I would happily just take an MLE or vet min contract from a contending team rather than staying in the situation you're describing. But there's so many unknowns that it's impossible to answer the question.
knickstorrents wrote:We all have our motivations. Personally after the first 10 million I'm not sure money matters anymore... legacy, championships, and getting into the Hall of Fame would be more important to me.I definitely don't think the Knicks are a championship organization, so not sure how much money would matter in that case.
Sorry I'm a debbie downer.
No that's ok just looking for honest opinions.
How about if you spend money lavishly because of the exposure to the finer things of life as a young athlete.
Also remember these guys don't have your 50-60 grand a year mindsets.
playa2 wrote:knickstorrents wrote:We all have our motivations. Personally after the first 10 million I'm not sure money matters anymore... legacy, championships, and getting into the Hall of Fame would be more important to me.I definitely don't think the Knicks are a championship organization, so not sure how much money would matter in that case.
Sorry I'm a debbie downer.
No that's ok just looking for honest opinions.
How about if you spend money lavishly because of the exposure to the finer things of life as a young athlete.
Also remember these guys don't have your 50-60 grand a year mindsets.
No one really knows how their goals and motivations would change after ten years of professional basketball and earning $100+ mil. We can't say we know what we'd do. Obviously it's extremely rare for a player to take a huge pay-cut to help his team. I doubt there's any reason to assume we're different.
Bonn1997 wrote:playa2 wrote:knickstorrents wrote:We all have our motivations. Personally after the first 10 million I'm not sure money matters anymore... legacy, championships, and getting into the Hall of Fame would be more important to me.I definitely don't think the Knicks are a championship organization, so not sure how much money would matter in that case.
Sorry I'm a debbie downer.
No that's ok just looking for honest opinions.
How about if you spend money lavishly because of the exposure to the finer things of life as a young athlete.
Also remember these guys don't have your 50-60 grand a year mindsets.
No one really knows how their goals and motivations would change after ten years of professional basketball and earning $100+ mil. We can't say we know what we'd do. Obviously it's extremely rare for a player to take a huge pay-cut to help his team. I doubt there's any reason to assume we're different.
I asked people to give their opinion, this isn't life or death question. All answers are right , it's a guy or girls opinion. Also I didn't say a player had to be 10 yrs in either. 5 sounds about right 4 yrs rookie contract 5th yr team should be showing you what direction they are going in.
If you really want a ring then you go to a team which is serious about going the distance if you are in a position to do so, even if it means a pay cut. If you just want to get paid you go for max money on team that's going nowhere.
First contract after my rookie contract I'm definitely looking to get paid.
But the extra money and year the team that drafted me can pay is secondary to:
1) the organization
2) the roster, whether it had high character, high skilled, high iq players
3) the coach
4) the GM
If another team has a better situation, I'll take the hit on my contract and try for a better situation to get a ring.
knickstorrents wrote:We all have our motivations. Personally after the first 10 million I'm not sure money matters anymore... legacy, championships, and getting into the Hall of Fame would be more important to me.I definitely don't think the Knicks are a championship organization, so not sure how much money would matter in that case.
Sorry I'm a debbie downer.
I remember when a player (forget exactly who it was) was offered an 80million contract. The player called it disrespectful because it wasn't the 100mil max. When it comes to spending power, there is really no justifiable difference between 80 and 100 mil.
I'm sure I could be comfortable making less but what about all the philanthropy work I could do with the extra money. The parks I can build, donations I can make, and whatever else. Also, the money my generational family is losing out on.
DurzoBlint wrote:knickstorrents wrote:We all have our motivations. Personally after the first 10 million I'm not sure money matters anymore... legacy, championships, and getting into the Hall of Fame would be more important to me.I definitely don't think the Knicks are a championship organization, so not sure how much money would matter in that case.
Sorry I'm a debbie downer.
I remember when a player (forget exactly who it was) was offered an 80million contract. The player called it disrespectful because it wasn't the 100mil max. When it comes to spending power, there is really no justifiable difference between 80 and 100 mil.
I believe that was Latrell!!! He had kids to feed or sumthin
has any player EVER done thst ? make 100 mil and then play for Min ?
so easy to say what we would do but nobody knows unless you were actually in thst situation
Plus I dont think the union would even allow it
GustavBahler wrote:If you really want a ring then you go to a team which is serious about going the distance if you are in a position to do so, even if it means a pay cut. If you just want to get paid you go for max money on team that's going nowhere.
Most players can't just go to where THEY WANT TO GO.
The team must want them too.
Not being a pro athlete I don't know the pain that goes into working the body to perform to the kind of levels it takes. What that does and the ego that drives a player to be in that elite position is very foriegn.
Coming form a "middle class" environment growing up vs. priviledged vs "challanged" would have a big effect. Grant Hills parents did very well and here is a kid who stayed 4 years a Duke, got a few NCAA chips and made 100mil plus. He never chased a ring putting his family above by keeping it as stable as he could. Iverson on the other hand came from poverty and blew his money.
I think some players that have balance in their lives consider it a profession and have to work damn hard. The few that transcend the sport and can dictate circumstances like Lebron have a legacy to fulfil.
I think the answer lies in each circumstance/player and their back ground.
If this is about Melo there is a huge difference in signing for no more than $15-17mil then signing for $20+
You can build an elite big 3 or 4 with each guy taking a few millions less. $20-30 million dollar contracts don't work unless you are Jordan or lebron. Ask Allan Houston, mcdyess and Amare. A guy coming off his rookie contract is one thing. A guy who already made 100's of millions playing an in endorsements can afford to settle for $4mil less unless he doesn't really care about winning and is more worried about his status and business opportunities in the NYC fashion industry. Ask amare and tyson
Players and owners like fans and media have no sense of what an NBA SALARY CAP is
The smart ones like Lebron, Riley, Duncan and popovich do
gunsnewing wrote:Players and owners like fans and media have no sense of what an NBA SALARY CAP isThe smart ones like Lebron, Riley, Duncan and popovich do
The GREAT ones recognize the need to be surrounded by talent. Jordan was underpaid for years.
DurzoBlint wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Players and owners like fans and media have no sense of what an NBA SALARY CAP isThe smart ones like Lebron, Riley, Duncan and popovich do
The GREAT ones recognize the need to be surrounded by talent. Jordan was underpaid for years.
Yep. The boneheaded ones to for max money then complain along with fans that they have no help
playa2 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If you really want a ring then you go to a team which is serious about going the distance if you are in a position to do so, even if it means a pay cut. If you just want to get paid you go for max money on team that's going nowhere.
Most players can't just go to where THEY WANT TO GO.
The team must want them too.
I was under the impression that this was about a player in a contract year. If he's that good he will get offers from contending teams, not as much as his current team though.
playa2 wrote:and you knew for a fact that your ownership isn't trying to build for a championship run by adding pieces around you, wouldn't you try and get as much money as you can from that team ? Wouldn't that be a wise businessman approach ?Comments....
I'd take the money and keep my mouth shut as long as I can maintain my sense of morality/not hurt anyone else (physically, spiritually, monetarily). We live in a self-serving culture so why should we expect athletes, especially dudes that do a great deal of good in their communities and families, to take a stand against it? It is why I've seldom faulted players for their contracts as much as the owners/management for giving it to them.
