TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.
the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.
sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.
i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
the knicks peaked last season, and it is not only because of their own disarray but also the fact that other teams have improved. last year's hot start was based primarily on defense and offensive cohesion, the latter due to kidd's presence. later in the season prigioni brought something similar but early on the knicks lost any genuine defense-first mentality-- and it caught up with them in the playoffs.
now they are so lopsidedly offensive, but porous and soft, that implosion is a distinct possibility. that is why i put "underachieve" as the more obvious outcome, but without leadership that underachievement can certainly metastasize into implosion, including the firing of woodson sometime during the season.
dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.
the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.
sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.
i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
The Melo trade was the completion of Walsh's two star plan.
dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.
the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.
sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.
i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
the knicks peaked last season, and it is not only because of their own disarray but also the fact that other teams have improved. last year's hot start was based primarily on defense and offensive cohesion, the latter due to kidd's presence. later in the season prigioni brought something similar but early on the knicks lost any genuine defense-first mentality-- and it caught up with them in the playoffs.
now they are so lopsidedly offensive, but porous and soft, that implosion is a distinct possibility. that is why i put "underachieve" as the more obvious outcome, but without leadership that underachievement can certainly metastasize into implosion, including the firing of woodson sometime during the season.
I see where you're coming from and I agree with a lot of it but I dont think implosion is a possibility. We had no leadership during our rough west road trip yet we didnt implode. I also dont think Woodsons getting fired because of his friendship with Grunwald and Isiah. Now underachieving I can see but I wanna wait until the whole offseason plays out before going there.
Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Outright ImplosionsTeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
Ya think?
Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.
Why bother?
That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.
again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.
the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.
sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.
i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
The Melo trade was the completion of Walsh's two star plan.
first we will never agree on that point and second, what are your expectations for this team, please?
dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Outright ImplosionsTeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
Ya think?
Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.
Why bother?
That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.
again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.
I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Outright ImplosionsTeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
Ya think?
Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.
Why bother?
That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.
again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.
I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.
who is on your radar at this point. my opinion is they desperately need defenders/rebounders and/or a pocket-passing power forward like a david lee or garnett.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Outright ImplosionsTeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
Ya think?
Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.
Why bother?
That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.
again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.
I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.
45-48 wins I think dont know if its good enough but it might be
TeamBall wrote:loweyecue wrote:callmened wrote:The woody approach is:
-exploit the melo mismatch and force teams to dbl him
-when doubled..kick out and hit 3s let him or JR chuck up as many contested fadeaways as they want
-coach mediocre defense players enough def to allow the melo mismatch to win games
- stubbornly employ a defensive switching scheme that doesn't work very well
Fixed
You forgot doubling the post regardless of who it is (we doubled Ian Mahinmi...)
LOL YES, I did indeed forget that. Effing hilarious.
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Outright ImplosionsTeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
Ya think?
Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.
Why bother?
That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.
again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.
I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.
who is on your radar at this point. my opinion is they desperately need defenders/rebounders and/or a pocket-passing power forward like a david lee or garnett.
I like Delfino a lot. I also like Brand. Not sure if the Knicks can get either guy. KMart coming back would be good also.
dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.
the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.
sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.
i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
the knicks peaked last season, and it is not only because of their own disarray but also the fact that other teams have improved. last year's hot start was based primarily on defense and offensive cohesion, the latter due to kidd's presence. later in the season prigioni brought something similar but early on the knicks lost any genuine defense-first mentality-- and it caught up with them in the playoffs.
now they are so lopsidedly offensive, but porous and soft, that implosion is a distinct possibility. that is why i put "underachieve" as the more obvious outcome, but without leadership that underachievement can certainly metastasize into implosion, including the firing of woodson sometime during the season.
Completely agree with this. I also think the peaked last year, which means it's down hill from this point on with this core. I have a feeling we will be in the low to mid 40s for wins. I don't really care about winning the Atlantic - it doesn't mean anything. I think if Kidd can get the Nets to gel they will win the Atlantic not us. But that too is yet to be seen.
loweyecue wrote:dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.
the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.
sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.
i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
the knicks peaked last season, and it is not only because of their own disarray but also the fact that other teams have improved. last year's hot start was based primarily on defense and offensive cohesion, the latter due to kidd's presence. later in the season prigioni brought something similar but early on the knicks lost any genuine defense-first mentality-- and it caught up with them in the playoffs.
now they are so lopsidedly offensive, but porous and soft, that implosion is a distinct possibility. that is why i put "underachieve" as the more obvious outcome, but without leadership that underachievement can certainly metastasize into implosion, including the firing of woodson sometime during the season.
Completely agree with this. I also think the peaked last year, which means it's down hill from this point on with this core. I have a feeling we will be in the low to mid 40s for wins. I don't really care about winning the Atlantic - it doesn't mean anything. I think if Kidd can get the Nets to gel they will win the Atlantic not us. But that too is yet to be seen.
Papabear Says
I don't think they peaked last year because they never had a full team last season so what they accomplished last season was without Shead, Amare, Iman part of the season, Thomas, and a slew of other injuries. So we didn't peak. We can get better if Woody have an offensive plan and a defensive plan without burning out Melo. The same haters are stewing the same ol bull Sh$t. But never have any answers like players names that would be good for the Knicks. And please don't mention draft picks because we always eat our young. Soo who do you recommend haters? I don't hear you!!! Ha you have no plan you only have complaints. Come with some answere and name some names.
Dude, it's not my job to plan the roster moves for the Knicks. That's why the GM gets paid in millions - and he sucks at it.
loweyecue wrote:callmened wrote:The woody approach is:
-exploit the melo mismatch and force teams to dbl him
-when doubled..kick out and hit 3s let him or JR chuck up as many contested fadeaways as they want
-coach mediocre defense players enough def to allow the melo mismatch to win games
- stubbornly employ a defensive switching scheme that doesn't work very well
Fixed
THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THAT!!
dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.
the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.
sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.
i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
GOOD POST.... fools gold team..
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.
the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.
sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.
i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
The Melo trade was the completion of Walsh's two star plan.
no it was the completion of dolan sticking his nose in walsh way.... Is there any evidence that carmelo was walsh plan? if so, why we would he make such a move and then leave the organization, in the way he did.. under a cloud of suspicion?
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Outright ImplosionsTeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
Ya think?
Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.
Why bother?
That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.
again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.
I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.
So wait after we made the Bargnani trade you're saying the ultimate success of this team boils down to us making the last couple signings that determine this?
You seriously think signing 2-3 players at vet minimum is the end all be all to your final assessment of this team.
Typical "buying time" posting.
3G4G wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Outright ImplosionsTeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
Ya think?
Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.
Why bother?
That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.
again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.
I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.
So wait after we made the Bargnani trade you're saying the ultimate success of this team boils down to us making the last couple signings that determine this?
You seriously think signing 2-3 players at vet minimum is the end all be all to your final assessment of this team.
Typical "buying time" posting.
LOL for real bro.. so you mean to tell me, the next few guys we sign for peanuts are going to determine how good this team is going to be? my lord.. for real?
I have the feeling no matter who we sign, some posters will cosign the move regardless...
3G4G wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Outright ImplosionsTeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-fuck.
Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
Ya think?
Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.
Why bother?
That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.
again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.
I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.
So wait after we made the Bargnani trade you're saying the ultimate success of this team boils down to us making the last couple signings that determine this?
You seriously think signing 2-3 players at vet minimum is the end all be all to your final assessment of this team.
Typical "buying time" posting.
I think KMart impacted the success of the team last year. I think the team went on a 13-0 streak when they started a free agent rookie at the point. I think there are guys out there that can contribute and will. I also said I think the Knicks will win the Atlantic.
Who makes predictions in July?
The roster is not signed or chosen.
Crazy
