tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.
Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.
That's significantly below average for a PF/C
Somebody tell that to A'mare...
Btw, we had him in the knicks. So ww know he's a pf/sf so 6-7 rebs is about right.
Bonn1997@ 8/4/2013 9:57 AM
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.
Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.
That's significantly below average for a PF/C
Somebody tell that to A'mare...
Btw, we had him in the knicks. So ww know he's a pf/sf so 6-7 rebs is about right.
I think he's played almost exclusively PF but according to the websites (82games, bball reference), Orlando played him at C last year and GSW played him 50/50 at PF and C in 2007-8. 6 a game is pretty bad for PF, though, anyway.
BigDaddyG@ 8/4/2013 10:16 AM
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.
Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.
That's significantly below average for a PF/C
Somebody tell that to A'mare...
Btw, we had him in the knicks. So ww know he's a pf/sf so 6-7 rebs is about right.
The thing with Al is that his defensive rebounding rate has been above average the past two years. It's his offensive rebounding rate that sucks and part of the reason for that is all the bad three-pointers he takes. I'd say go for it if we didn't have Artest already. Al is the better player, but their skills are kinda similar.
RonRon@ 8/4/2013 10:52 AM
Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better
Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015
Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us
Papabear@ 8/4/2013 2:18 PM
RonRon wrote:Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better
Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015
Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us
Papabear Says
Ron Ron that goes to show your Character the type of person you are. You'd rather see Melo walk and damn with or without getting something back like draft picks and we aren't good at that Melo just get the hell out of town. That sounds like the Patrick Ewing deal all over again. But you don't because when you hate someone like Melo you can't think straight. Then 10 more years of lottey celler dwelling?? No I'll take the 53 wins every season and a playoff birth. You just sit and moan and complain.
CrushAlot@ 8/4/2013 2:57 PM
RonRon wrote:Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better
Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015
Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us
Denver has rights to swap in 2016. The 2016 pick was the prize the Knicks sent to the Raps for Bargs. Not sure if I understand your last paragraph. When you talk about the future and mortgaging it are you referring to second round picks being traded for i.e Camby and Bargs? The Knicks only traded 1 first rounder in the Melo deal and since Grunwald has been in place he has traded only one first round pick, 2016 (the pick Denver has the right to swap) for Bargs.
RonRon@ 8/4/2013 3:11 PM
Papabear wrote:
RonRon wrote:Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better
Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015
Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us
Papabear Says
Ron Ron that goes to show your Character the type of person you are. You'd rather see Melo walk and damn with or without getting something back like draft picks and we aren't good at that Melo just get the hell out of town. That sounds like the Patrick Ewing deal all over again. But you don't because when you hate someone like Melo you can't think straight. Then 10 more years of lottey celler dwelling?? No I'll take the 53 wins every season and a playoff birth. You just sit and moan and complain.
Papa Bear, read carefully IF HE OPTS OUT and TRIES for a MAX/NEAR MAX SALARY I honestly don't think we can afford to pay him anything more than 15m per year, it we have any shot in competing for a ring You simply cannot build a team around him with the CBA, asking players to come in, get paid the vet min, and need their production to be above the 5m MLE quality of players is what we would end up with AGAIN
RonRon@ 8/4/2013 3:14 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
RonRon wrote:Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better
Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015
Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us
Denver has rights to swap in 2016. The 2016 pick was the prize the Knicks sent to the Raps for Bargs. Not sure if I understand your last paragraph. When you talk about the future and mortgaging it are you referring to second round picks being traded for i.e Camby and Bargs? The Knicks only traded 1 first rounder in the Melo deal and since Grunwald has been in place he has traded only one first round pick, 2016 (the pick Denver has the right to swap) for Bargs.
If you don't see us overpaying for talent AFTER the trade for Melo, I don't know what to tell you Look at what other teams acquire players that are much better for I am not going to dissect the moves, you see what you want to see regardless of what I say so why bother
RonRon@ 8/4/2013 3:27 PM
My hope for Melo learning to be more efficient and being able to create for the team is gone since he is no longer going to attend Hakeem's camp I am sorry but he is not going to elevate his game and make players around him better, playing his style of BB, he continues to want to play his way or the high way, while it has achieved a Syracuse College Championship and one scoring title in a MEMEMEME system
No, I don't like Melo, I don't hate him either, I don't think he is nearly as good as he thinks he is and he needs significant talent around him to compete, which we are unable to do if he demands anything close to a max salary
I honestly think 12m (if he is serious and willing to take less so other STAR's can join him) 15m is the most he should be making and that he should not opt out of his 23m deal, I do not see a team willing to give him max However, if he willing to take less money to join another team because we are still paying for the deal for him, and the deals from trying to get better with him, let him leave
CrushAlot@ 8/4/2013 3:47 PM
RonRon wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
RonRon wrote:Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better
Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015
Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us
Denver has rights to swap in 2016. The 2016 pick was the prize the Knicks sent to the Raps for Bargs. Not sure if I understand your last paragraph. When you talk about the future and mortgaging it are you referring to second round picks being traded for i.e Camby and Bargs? The Knicks only traded 1 first rounder in the Melo deal and since Grunwald has been in place he has traded only one first round pick, 2016 (the pick Denver has the right to swap) for Bargs.
If you don't see us overpaying for talent AFTER the trade for Melo, I don't know what to tell you Look at what other teams acquire players that are much better for I am not going to dissect the moves, you see what you want to see regardless of what I say so why bother
I don't know who you are referring to that the Knicks overpaid for in a trade. Also, are you referring to guys the Knicks signed as free agents? If you are referring to free agents how does Melo come into play for this overpaying. The knicks annually only have 3.1 mmle and mini deals to offer free agents.
knicks1248@ 8/4/2013 5:51 PM
ramtour420 wrote:Al NoSharrington ! Lets not forget that he was the best at hanging on the rim. We need playmaking and rebounding, he brings neither. I actually liked him when MDA was running things, but now i doubt Woody would play him much.
LOL, I would never forgive him for hanging on the rim twice to the same team in less the 2 weeks which cost us both games. that happen 4 yrs ago, and since then i have seen just one player get T'd up for hanging on the rim, mind you, it's ben over a 1500 games played since then..
Cartman718@ 8/4/2013 6:09 PM
there's a lot of young players in this league who would outhustle and outrebound al harrington. his passing skills are limited and we already have a semi black hole in JR (to his defense, he was the only one willing to take a shot at times).
we can do better than al harrington. the biggest need to address is a 3rd PG. i like chocolate boy but i am on the fence about him being a starter on a championship team.
unless you are loaded with superstars at PF, SF, SG in the starting lineup like the Heat is, look at the other teams from the playoffs from the East last year. Rondo, George Hill, D Rose, Deron, Monta, Teague. These players are all expected to be better than Ray Ray at the PG position, wouldn't you think?
Dagger@ 8/4/2013 8:20 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.
Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.
That's significantly below average for a PF/C
He's far from a center.
Bonn1997@ 8/4/2013 8:38 PM
Dagger wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.
Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.
That's significantly below average for a PF/C
He's far from a center.
I agree but he's been playing center. He's actually more like an oversized shooting guard that can't shoot
VCoug@ 8/4/2013 9:18 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.
Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.
That's significantly below average for a PF/C
He's far from a center.
I agree but he's been playing center. He's actually more like an oversized shooting guard that can't shoot
Wait, when did we start talking about Bargnani?
Bonn1997@ 8/4/2013 9:35 PM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.
Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.
That's significantly below average for a PF/C
He's far from a center.
I agree but he's been playing center. He's actually more like an oversized shooting guard that can't shoot
Wait, when did we start talking about Bargnani?
hahaha
smackeddog@ 8/5/2013 3:57 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:Al NoSharrington ! Lets not forget that he was the best at hanging on the rim. We need playmaking and rebounding, he brings neither. I actually liked him when MDA was running things, but now i doubt Woody would play him much.
LOL, I would never forgive him for hanging on the rim twice to the same team in less the 2 weeks which cost us both games. that happen 4 yrs ago, and since then i have seen just one player get T'd up for hanging on the rim, mind you, it's ben over a 1500 games played since then..
I still don't get how this was a technical- I see players doing it all the time. He really got screwed the second time- it's like the ref's were waiting for the opportunity to t him up:
Seriously, how are either of those technicals, especially in that end of game situation? Ha, wierd seeing Novak with the beard and playing for the Clippers!
