Knicks · Carmelo Anthony Believes 'Window Is Closing' For Championship (page 3)
tkf wrote:Denver got one first round pick in the trade and the right to swap in 2016. Not sure how that translates to tons of picks. Also, the one first rounder given up in the trade isn't why the Knicks don't have picks they were moved before Melo was ever a Knick. Blaming Melo for stuff that was done for the summer of 2010 doesn't make sense. Melo getting his deal under the old cba was smart. Ujiri was going to get fair market for Melo at the trade deadline that year. New school Nugget fans can't praise the guy for building the Nuggets the 'right way' while saying in the next sentence that Melo should have waited to become a free agent so that he could join the Knicks for less money and the Knicks wouldn't have to give up anything. It doesn't make sense. Melo was out of Denver at the deadline whether it was to the Knicks or another team.TeamBall wrote:tkf wrote:arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.so far, there is no evidence to prove that..
What? Even going by your opinion of him being selfish, all about money, putting himself before the Knicks, etc , there is evidence to prove that. He wanted to be on the Knicks? Hes here. He wanted to make all of his money and not be in limbo during the lockout? He got it. He wanted endorsements? Hes got them. He supposedly wanted his wife to get opportunities in NY as well? She has a reality show. I dont see what he and agent did that makes you think they're stupid.what makes them smart?
He forced his way out of denver to a team that would have to give most of it's talent to get him.
Denver gets better, has tons of picks and young assets going forward..
Knicks are much older, no picks and now he is talking about his window closing..
tell me, what is so smart about that?
If you are saying they are smart for maximizing his earning potential.. well sure. but is that what we are talking about here?
when it comes to guiding his career to a point where he can win a ring... not so smart... he put money first.. good for him.. if you think that is smart when it comes to trying to win.. have at it..
dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.
All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?
There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.
dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.
dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.
Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.
dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.
What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.
It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.
misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom CruiseAlso the Melo being out of shape thing was debunked last year and even after being shown photos of how lean the guy was the out of shape reference remained a talking point whenever dk trashed Melo.dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?
There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.
dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.
dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.
dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.
It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.
CrushAlot wrote:Melo was in great shape last year. I think he was great last year. melo's only weakness seems to be the playoffs. He is a bit inconcistent and he needs to help the team around him like lebron does.misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom CruiseAlso the Melo being out of shape thing was debunked last year and even after being shown photos of how lean the guy was the out of shape reference remained a talking point whenever dk trashed Melo.dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?
There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.
dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.
dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.
dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.
It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.
StarksEwing1 wrote:It seems like every year that Melo has been in NY the team has major injuries going into the playoffs and this year wasn't different. He really wasn't helped much by his teammates in the Indy series. No one would could score. Kidd even missed a wide open layup.CrushAlot wrote:Melo was in great shape last year. I think he was great last year. melo's only weakness seems to be the playoffs. He is a bit inconcistent and he needs to help the team around him like lebron does.misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom CruiseAlso the Melo being out of shape thing was debunked last year and even after being shown photos of how lean the guy was the out of shape reference remained a talking point whenever dk trashed Melo.dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?
There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.
dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.
dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.
dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.
It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.
dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings. knick fans wanted to be an exception. dolan could have said no but then he too is more interested in revenue than winning so here we are, 3 years and counting with very little to show and not much to look forward to.i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.
so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.
I knew that from day one.. which is why I will never root for this guy... honestly I will just ignore him.. when I watch games I actually pretend he is not there.... the sight of that guy just irritates me to no end... I hate that this organization will move guys that want to be here because they actually respect the city and the name on that jersey....for guys like this... just disgusting man...
A-Rod can go away too!!!
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:It seems like every year that Melo has been in NY the team has major injuries going into the playoffs and this year wasn't different. He really wasn't helped much by his teammates in the Indy series. No one would could score. Kidd even missed a wide open layup.CrushAlot wrote:Melo was in great shape last year. I think he was great last year. melo's only weakness seems to be the playoffs. He is a bit inconcistent and he needs to help the team around him like lebron does.misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom CruiseAlso the Melo being out of shape thing was debunked last year and even after being shown photos of how lean the guy was the out of shape reference remained a talking point whenever dk trashed Melo.dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?
There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.
dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.
dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.
dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.
It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.
it seems to be a new excuse every year for 8-10 years running now....
tkf wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar capAgree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.
why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..
Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.
Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.
misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom Cruisedk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?
There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.
dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.
dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.
dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.
It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.
if you can't see the similarities that's not my problem-- it's your problem.
and not all owners are lowlifes like dolan. not all owners are born crossing home plate. most owners actually made their fortunes through honest work, though i guess some owners made their fortunes through dishonest work. honest or dishonest it was still time and energy expended to amass their fortunes. name me one owner who has never worked. here, i'll start: dolan. your turn
finally, so far as working assiduously to prepare oneself for success in the playoffs, i am going to simplify things by way of analogy: an average meal takes ten times as long to prepare as it does to consume. carmelo is pure takeout which is why he is always taken out.
carmelo anthony has not expanded his game one bit and has never been in supreme shape, which is the source of playoff failure. everything else is a lame excuse. scoring titles and first round appearances only serve to distract from the core problem which is he does not possess the will to win.
CrushAlot wrote:I agree melo hasnt always had the best circumstances but i cant always blame those things. I mean in his career he hanst had a good playoff record.StarksEwing1 wrote:It seems like every year that Melo has been in NY the team has major injuries going into the playoffs and this year wasn't different. He really wasn't helped much by his teammates in the Indy series. No one would could score. Kidd even missed a wide open layup.CrushAlot wrote:Melo was in great shape last year. I think he was great last year. melo's only weakness seems to be the playoffs. He is a bit inconcistent and he needs to help the team around him like lebron does.misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom CruiseAlso the Melo being out of shape thing was debunked last year and even after being shown photos of how lean the guy was the out of shape reference remained a talking point whenever dk trashed Melo.dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?
There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.
dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.
dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.
dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.
It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.
foosballnick wrote:tkf wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar capAgree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.
why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..
Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.
Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.
great, tell that to carmelo and ask him to shut up and play ball.. he is the one putting this out there...
And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... we seem to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..
I actually expected it a bit sooner...
Vmart wrote:arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.Greatest offensive talent? Ridiculous there have been so many better offensive players that have come and gone. Melo is a volume shooter who can't sniff 50% FG. I'm gonna give you a list of offensive players from the past what do they have in a common. Julius Erving, Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Jordan, Alex English, George Gervin, Adrien Dantley. They all shot 50% I think Bird was near 50%.
Right now the NBA is so devoid of talent. And the Kobes and Iversons of the world have made 44% shooting the new 50%. The NBA is so devoid of talent that we are elevating crap and think its the greatest thing we ever seen. There are two superstars in the game as of now Lebron and Durant. The rest fall under good players and Marginal players.
There is
Level 1 Lebron all by himself
Level 2 Durant All by himself
Level 3 Chris Paul , Russell Westbrook, James Harden " Might be leveling up" , Dwight Howard,
tkf wrote:As a objective fan i will say that the bargnani trade is up in the air. We have no idea what we will get from Bargnani. I will keep an open mind until we see how it turns out. As a Knick fan i hope he finally lives to expectations. However we cant ignore the fact that he is injury prone and he is a bit inconsistent for his size. The raptors did pretty good considering they were begging for somebody to take bargnani off tehir hands. They got a firt round pick too which is tough to swallow. Like i said i am open minded and as a knick fan i hope it works out more than other trades we have made since 2000foosballnick wrote:tkf wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar capAgree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.
why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..
Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.
Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.
great, tell that to carmelo and ask him to shut up and play ball.. he is the one putting this out there...And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... this seemed to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..
I actually expected it a bit sooner...
dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings. knick fans wanted to be an exception. dolan could have said no but then he too is more interested in revenue than winning so here we are, 3 years and counting with very little to show and not much to look forward to.i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.
so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.
The Problem for everyone else right now is the best Team and best player on Earth isnt chasing money. In Houston u got a emerging superstar who took less money in Harden and Howard who didnt rip up his new to team to join him.
tkf wrote:Well the Knicks were trying to get Bargs before so this may have been planned. The reports out there were that it was for Amare and Dolan nixed it.foosballnick wrote:tkf wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar capAgree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.
why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..
Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.
Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.
great, tell that to carmelo and ask him to shut up and play ball.. he is the one putting this out there...And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... we seem to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..
I actually expected it a bit sooner...
Jmpasq wrote:Vmart wrote:arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.Greatest offensive talent? Ridiculous there have been so many better offensive players that have come and gone. Melo is a volume shooter who can't sniff 50% FG. I'm gonna give you a list of offensive players from the past what do they have in a common. Julius Erving, Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Jordan, Alex English, George Gervin, Adrien Dantley. They all shot 50% I think Bird was near 50%.
Right now the NBA is so devoid of talent. And the Kobes and Iversons of the world have made 44% shooting the new 50%. The NBA is so devoid of talent that we are elevating crap and think its the greatest thing we ever seen. There are two superstars in the game as of now Lebron and Durant. The rest fall under good players and Marginal players.
There is
Level 1 Lebron all by himself
Level 2 Durant All by himself
Level 3 Chris Paul , Russell Westbrook, James Harden " Might be leveling up" , Dwight Howard,
I would put Melo in that 3rd level and would take Harden out. The guy plays no defense but that maybe him adjusting to the burden of being a number one option. So if he comes back next year with the same or better offensive game plus an average level off defensive play I would put him in that third level. I would say having Howard should help him look better but Asik is probably as good of a defender and rim protector.
yellowboy90 wrote:I agree. melo is what he is. He is one of the best scorers in the league which is good to have in the regular season. However he just doesnt have the other attributes guys like lebron durant duncan. Its not his fault its just the way it isJmpasq wrote:Vmart wrote:arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.Greatest offensive talent? Ridiculous there have been so many better offensive players that have come and gone. Melo is a volume shooter who can't sniff 50% FG. I'm gonna give you a list of offensive players from the past what do they have in a common. Julius Erving, Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Jordan, Alex English, George Gervin, Adrien Dantley. They all shot 50% I think Bird was near 50%.
Right now the NBA is so devoid of talent. And the Kobes and Iversons of the world have made 44% shooting the new 50%. The NBA is so devoid of talent that we are elevating crap and think its the greatest thing we ever seen. There are two superstars in the game as of now Lebron and Durant. The rest fall under good players and Marginal players.
There is
Level 1 Lebron all by himself
Level 2 Durant All by himself
Level 3 Chris Paul , Russell Westbrook, James Harden " Might be leveling up" , Dwight Howard,
I would put Melo in that 3rd level and would take Harden out. The guy plays no defense but that maybe him adjusting to the burden of being a number one option. So if he comes back next year with the same or better offensive game plus an average level off defensive play I would put him in that third level. I would say having Howard should help him look better but Asik is probably as good of a defender and rim protector.
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:Well the Knicks were trying to get Bargs before so this may have been planned. The reports out there were that it was for Amare and Dolan nixed it.foosballnick wrote:tkf wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar capAgree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.
why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..
Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.
Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.
great, tell that to carmelo and ask him to shut up and play ball.. he is the one putting this out there...And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... we seem to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..
I actually expected it a bit sooner...
i think tkf is referring to the carmelo trade. a few fans like tkf were against it from the beginning for reasons that the rest of the fanbase are coming to grips with now-- you can't acquire a player like him for max dollars in any other manner than as a free agent. and you never EVER trade for someone like him.
dk7th wrote:You then assume that the brilliant Ujiri, the guy that built the Nuggets the right way, lets him walk for nothing. All other arguments aside could you see that happening?CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:Well the Knicks were trying to get Bargs before so this may have been planned. The reports out there were that it was for Amare and Dolan nixed it.foosballnick wrote:tkf wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar capAgree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.
why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..
Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.
Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.
great, tell that to carmelo and ask him to shut up and play ball.. he is the one putting this out there...And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... we seem to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..
I actually expected it a bit sooner...
i think tkf is referring to the carmelo trade. a few fans like tkf were against it from the beginning for reasons that the rest of the fanbase are coming to grips with now-- you can't acquire a player like him for max dollars in any other manner than as a free agent. and you never EVER trade for someone like him.
Not sure why this is a surprise.
It is difficult to imagine that Dolam suddenly will start building a winning team.
But it is even more difficult to imagine that players with integrity and character will want to play for this rotten organization.
Even LeBron/Wade/Bosh conspire to win the chip(s) with the Rat by letting some $$$ go.
$$$ are ultimate championship for Dolan/Melo bunch. And they already get it.
Jmpasq wrote:The difference with Howard was Kupchak was the gm. Ujiri knew he needed to get Melo something and also you can't discount that a lockout was looming where the owners were telling the players that they were reigning in free agency. Walsh wanted Melo. Knicks were rumored to be chasing him all of that year. Walsh also wanted two stars. Ujiri was moving Melo at the deadline for fair market value. If he didn't get traded to the Knicks he would have gone somewhere else at the deadline. Ujiri wasn't going to wait for Melo to leave for nothing and Melo wanted a deal before the lockout. The thought that Melo takes less and the Nuggets get nothing for him isn't based in reality. It would have been nice for the Knicks though.dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings. knick fans wanted to be an exception. dolan could have said no but then he too is more interested in revenue than winning so here we are, 3 years and counting with very little to show and not much to look forward to.i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.
so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.
The Problem for everyone else right now is the best Team and best player on Earth isnt chasing money. In Houston u got a emerging superstar who took less money in Harden and Howard who didnt rip up his new to team to join him.