Knicks · Carmelo Is Right, Andrea Bargnini Was a Steal (page 17)

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

No, you'd be better off not guessing other people's feelings.
I'm proud to root for the Knicks and to be a thinking person at the same time

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

No, you'd be better off not guessing other people's feelings.
I'm proud to root for the Knicks and to be a thinking person at the same time

You sure have a funny way of showing it sometimes!

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

No, you'd be better off not guessing other people's feelings.
I'm proud to root for the Knicks and to be a thinking person at the same time

You sure have a funny way of showing it sometimes!

No, you just don't understand the difference between "rooting for" and being an "unthinking fanatic." Rooting for, simply means when you watch the games you hope the Knicks win.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

No, you'd be better off not guessing other people's feelings.
I'm proud to root for the Knicks and to be a thinking person at the same time

You sure have a funny way of showing it sometimes!

No, you just don't understand the difference between "rooting for" and being an "unthinking fanatic." Rooting for, simply means when you watch the games you hope the Knicks win.

How about right now? There's no games to watch, it's the offseason, we've clearly upgraded the roster, yet in your esteemed opinion, the Knicks moves add up to a "C" grade.

Wow...

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

No, you'd be better off not guessing other people's feelings.
I'm proud to root for the Knicks and to be a thinking person at the same time

You sure have a funny way of showing it sometimes!

No, you just don't understand the difference between "rooting for" and being an "unthinking fanatic." Rooting for, simply means when you watch the games you hope the Knicks win.

When I watch the team this year, I am not "hoping" for a win; I Expect a win. We have an excellent team with great depth. Offense and Defense. Toughness and high BB IQ.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

No, you'd be better off not guessing other people's feelings.
I'm proud to root for the Knicks and to be a thinking person at the same time

You sure have a funny way of showing it sometimes!

No, you just don't understand the difference between "rooting for" and being an "unthinking fanatic." Rooting for, simply means when you watch the games you hope the Knicks win.

How about right now? There's no games to watch, it's the offseason, we've clearly upgraded the roster, yet in your esteemed opinion, the Knicks moves add up to a "C" grade.

Wow...

No, we haven't clearly upgraded the roster. You're ignoring that our veterans will be a 1 year older version of themselves, which will mean that nearly all of them will be downgraded a little from last year. None of the players we've added are anything special. They're just legit league min players. Are you just vaguely using the word upgrade or will you put your money where your mouth is a predict a better regular season win total and deeper playoff run?

Go out side NYC and tell people your a knick fan. They think its funny.

Knicks improved a bit, but so has about 2/3rds the team. Some players that they are developing are ready to step up. Some draft picks/sigings will suprise some. Some teams have one year of chemestry under their belt. Its naive to think just because we improved (subjective) that others have not.

Boston has not, but Nets clearly have. One can hope their chemistry fails, but its naive to dismiss the possibility they could win 62 games as well. Toronto and PHilly are not contending so it should be a two team race in the Atlantic.

Bonn to me is a fan who will intelectualize his points perhaps based on factorals more than on emotion that many UKers exibit.

Is one more accurate than the other? Is one more "FANTASTIC" than another?

Jeeze, we really going to argue degrees of "fans" and the legitimacey of "Troll vs. Hater vs. Somerite vs. Melodite lover"??

Its all good.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

No, you'd be better off not guessing other people's feelings.
I'm proud to root for the Knicks and to be a thinking person at the same time

You sure have a funny way of showing it sometimes!

No, you just don't understand the difference between "rooting for" and being an "unthinking fanatic." Rooting for, simply means when you watch the games you hope the Knicks win.

How about right now? There's no games to watch, it's the offseason, we've clearly upgraded the roster, yet in your esteemed opinion, the Knicks moves add up to a "C" grade.

Wow...

No, we haven't clearly upgraded the roster. You're ignoring that our veterans will be a 1 year older version of themselves, which will mean that nearly all of them will be downgraded a little from last year. None of the players we've added are anything special. They're just legit league min players. Are you just vaguely using the word upgrade or will you put your money where your mouth is a predict a better regular season win total and deeper playoff run?

LOL won't all of the other rosters in the NBA be 1 year older too?

How come other contending teams wanted the same players too? Guess they like doo doo minimum players also.

The team's clearly better than last year, roster and depth wise, as well as younger. Record wise, I'd say we're above 50 wins, but won't say we'll exceed 54 just due to the parity in the East now.

no chuckbuck, how we can be better if we added "one of the worst players in the nba" in bargnani?

that remark is one for the record-books, to me it shows an absolute ignorance to the game of basketball. ill take the "failed eyeball test" any day over these true shooting %s and all this other crap to the degree they are relied on by some.

Jesus Christ, are we still telling people who don't agree with the front office that they aren't fans? Yeah right, guys who have literally thousands of posts over years on a KNICKS message boards aren't fans. Give me a break

azamatbagatov wrote:Jesus Christ, are we still telling people who don't agree with the front office that they aren't fans? Yeah right, guys who have literally thousands of posts over years on a KNICKS message boards aren't fans. Give me a break

We've added Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace, Beno Udrih. Resigned Pablo Prigioni, JR Smith, and Kmart. Drafted/signed Tim Hardaway JR, CJ Leslie, Jeremy Tyler.

All added to the core of Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler.

Are you saying we didn't even slightly improve over the roster last year on paper???

ChuckBuck wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Jesus Christ, are we still telling people who don't agree with the front office that they aren't fans? Yeah right, guys who have literally thousands of posts over years on a KNICKS message boards aren't fans. Give me a break

We've added Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace, Beno Udrih. Resigned Pablo Prigioni, JR Smith, and Kmart. Drafted/signed Tim Hardaway JR, CJ Leslie, Jeremy Tyler.

All added to the core of Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler.

Are you saying we didn't even slightly improve over the roster last year on paper???

I actually liked our offseason for the most part. However i agree with azama. I mean we all love the knicks but certain fans seem to get on other fans who have any type of criticism of roster moves. I mean we love the knicks buts its more important to be objective and not too biased

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Jesus Christ, are we still telling people who don't agree with the front office that they aren't fans? Yeah right, guys who have literally thousands of posts over years on a KNICKS message boards aren't fans. Give me a break

We've added Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace, Beno Udrih. Resigned Pablo Prigioni, JR Smith, and Kmart. Drafted/signed Tim Hardaway JR, CJ Leslie, Jeremy Tyler.

All added to the core of Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler.

Are you saying we didn't even slightly improve over the roster last year on paper???

I actually liked our offseason for the most part. However i agree with azama. I mean we all love the knicks but certain fans seem to get on other fans who have any type of criticism of roster moves. I mean we love the knicks buts its more important to be objective and not too biased

Who did we lose of value besides Chris Copeland? Weren't we able to replace that and then some with the moves made?

ChuckBuck wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Jesus Christ, are we still telling people who don't agree with the front office that they aren't fans? Yeah right, guys who have literally thousands of posts over years on a KNICKS message boards aren't fans. Give me a break

We've added Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace, Beno Udrih. Resigned Pablo Prigioni, JR Smith, and Kmart. Drafted/signed Tim Hardaway JR, CJ Leslie, Jeremy Tyler.

All added to the core of Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler.

Are you saying we didn't even slightly improve over the roster last year on paper???

I actually liked our offseason for the most part. However i agree with azama. I mean we all love the knicks but certain fans seem to get on other fans who have any type of criticism of roster moves. I mean we love the knicks buts its more important to be objective and not too biased

Who did we lose of value besides Chris Copeland? Weren't we able to replace that and then some with the moves made?

I thought i was pretty clear in my first sentence. I think under the circumstances we had a good offseason. However lets be honets if we were perfect than we would be going to the finals every year lol. Look its ok to love the knicks and be critical of CERTAIN moves. Maybe Bargani turns out to be an all-star you never know. i hope he does

Bonn1997 wrote:No, we haven't clearly upgraded the roster. You're ignoring that our veterans will be a 1 year older version of themselves, which will mean that nearly all of them will be downgraded a little from last year. None of the players we've added are anything special. They're just legit league min players. Are you just vaguely using the word upgrade or will you put your money where your mouth is a predict a better regular season win total and deeper playoff run?

Artest and Beno signed for vet min but you really think those salary slots predicate talent and worth to team?

What does strict upgrade of roster have to do with regular season or playoff run?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Jesus Christ, are we still telling people who don't agree with the front office that they aren't fans? Yeah right, guys who have literally thousands of posts over years on a KNICKS message boards aren't fans. Give me a break

We've added Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace, Beno Udrih. Resigned Pablo Prigioni, JR Smith, and Kmart. Drafted/signed Tim Hardaway JR, CJ Leslie, Jeremy Tyler.

All added to the core of Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler.

Are you saying we didn't even slightly improve over the roster last year on paper???

I actually liked our offseason for the most part. However i agree with azama. I mean we all love the knicks but certain fans seem to get on other fans who have any type of criticism of roster moves. I mean we love the knicks buts its more important to be objective and not too biased

Who did we lose of value besides Chris Copeland? Weren't we able to replace that and then some with the moves made?

I thought i was pretty clear in my first sentence. I think under the circumstances we had a good offseason. However lets be honets if we were perfect than we would be going to the finals every year lol. Look its ok to love the knicks and be critical of CERTAIN moves. Maybe Bargani turns out to be an all-star you never know. i hope he does

Never said all star. On paper did the Knicks improve or get worst? According to the Sabremetricians here, we got worse, mainly by adding Bargnani. We're not asking him to be 1st fiddle, maybe not even 2nd fiddle. Injuries aside, health permitting isn't it nice to have a 7 foot Novak that can actually dribble and post?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ahh the whole chip or bust mentality!

What a way to live through life!

People rather be right through statistical analysis, True shooting percentages, and win shares.

Whatever happened to every season in a new beginning, a clean slate, not a foregone conclusion.

Just to jog the memories of all the cynics:

Fan is short for fanatic

Fanatic, as defined by Merriam-Webster:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Then that's nothing to be proud of!

Nothing worst than a self hating fan. Unless you're a Mets or Jets fan, then you're excused!

huh?

Guessing you're not proud to be a Knicks fan.

You'd rather be right about TS% and WS than pledge allegiance to United State of Dolan!

No, you'd be better off not guessing other people's feelings.
I'm proud to root for the Knicks and to be a thinking person at the same time

You sure have a funny way of showing it sometimes!

No, you just don't understand the difference between "rooting for" and being an "unthinking fanatic." Rooting for, simply means when you watch the games you hope the Knicks win.

How about right now? There's no games to watch, it's the offseason, we've clearly upgraded the roster, yet in your esteemed opinion, the Knicks moves add up to a "C" grade.

Wow...

No, we haven't clearly upgraded the roster. You're ignoring that our veterans will be a 1 year older version of themselves, which will mean that nearly all of them will be downgraded a little from last year. None of the players we've added are anything special. They're just legit league min players. Are you just vaguely using the word upgrade or will you put your money where your mouth is a predict a better regular season win total and deeper playoff run?

LOL won't all of the other rosters in the NBA be 1 year older too?

How come other contending teams wanted the same players too? Guess they like doo doo minimum players also.

The team's clearly better than last year, roster and depth wise, as well as younger. Record wise, I'd say we're above 50 wins, but won't say we'll exceed 54 just due to the parity in the East now.

the teams that matter in the east.. getting one year older for them is actually a good thing. for us, it is one step closer to Social security checks..

indiana getting older, a year older is a good thing for them, same for the bulls.. not for the knicks..

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:No, we haven't clearly upgraded the roster. You're ignoring that our veterans will be a 1 year older version of themselves, which will mean that nearly all of them will be downgraded a little from last year. None of the players we've added are anything special. They're just legit league min players. Are you just vaguely using the word upgrade or will you put your money where your mouth is a predict a better regular season win total and deeper playoff run?

Artest and Beno signed for vet min but you really think those salary slots predicate talent and worth to team?

What does strict upgrade of roster have to do with regular season or playoff run?

"On Paper" does not exist in the Bonnverse. Has to be hard statistical analysis and formulas!

ChuckBuck wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Jesus Christ, are we still telling people who don't agree with the front office that they aren't fans? Yeah right, guys who have literally thousands of posts over years on a KNICKS message boards aren't fans. Give me a break

We've added Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace, Beno Udrih. Resigned Pablo Prigioni, JR Smith, and Kmart. Drafted/signed Tim Hardaway JR, CJ Leslie, Jeremy Tyler.

All added to the core of Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler.

Are you saying we didn't even slightly improve over the roster last year on paper???

I have no idea how you are deducing that from the words in my post.

ChuckBuck wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Jesus Christ, are we still telling people who don't agree with the front office that they aren't fans? Yeah right, guys who have literally thousands of posts over years on a KNICKS message boards aren't fans. Give me a break

We've added Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace, Beno Udrih. Resigned Pablo Prigioni, JR Smith, and Kmart. Drafted/signed Tim Hardaway JR, CJ Leslie, Jeremy Tyler.

All added to the core of Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler.

Are you saying we didn't even slightly improve over the roster last year on paper???

I actually liked our offseason for the most part. However i agree with azama. I mean we all love the knicks but certain fans seem to get on other fans who have any type of criticism of roster moves. I mean we love the knicks buts its more important to be objective and not too biased

Who did we lose of value besides Chris Copeland? Weren't we able to replace that and then some with the moves made?

I thought i was pretty clear in my first sentence. I think under the circumstances we had a good offseason. However lets be honets if we were perfect than we would be going to the finals every year lol. Look its ok to love the knicks and be critical of CERTAIN moves. Maybe Bargani turns out to be an all-star you never know. i hope he does

Never said all star. On paper did the Knicks improve or get worst? According to the Sabremetricians here, we got worse, mainly by adding Bargnani. We're not asking him to be 1st fiddle, maybe not even 2nd fiddle. Injuries aside, health permitting isn't it nice to have a 7 foot Novak that can actually dribble and post?

Chuck that wasnt the issue i was referring to. Aza said that certain fans get on other fans IF they are critical of a certain move and I agreed with him. In my opinion the Knicks did pretty well this offseason considering we didnt have much money to spend. However i wouldnt say we blew everybody out of the water just yet