Clean wrote:tkf wrote:I think beno will be better than prigs... which is why I didn't like giving prigs a dime more..
No one could have thought we would have gotten Beno for the Min. I do think maybe Nate would have been better other signing if we knew we would get Beno later. I don't care about that anymore I am just happy we got a guy I have been wanting for a few years now.
well maybe not beno, but look at the list I posted days ago, there were other options better than prigs IMO.... Dj augustine being one of them..
Andrew wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:MSG3 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:another bad signing by NY. He sucks they could have gotten way better pgs earlier. Besides how good could he be if no one else wanted him.
Go take a look at his splits with ORL and his time in SA. To say he sucks is just flat out incorrect.
He stinks and will get exposed in the eastern conference finals. Game over
If you don't like the signing please take some time to explain in detail. Saying over and over that he stinks adds nothing.
I would but since I've posted negative post about MWP/Udrih not coming and they came I think I should take it a step further and talk about how bad they will be on the knicks.
yellowboy90 wrote:MSG3 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:another bad signing by NY. He sucks they could have gotten way better pgs earlier. Besides how good could he be if no one else wanted him.
Go take a look at his splits with ORL and his time in SA. To say he sucks is just flat out incorrect.
He stinks and will get exposed in the eastern conference finals. Game over
Ok, but in your scenario WE WENT TO THE ECF'S!!!!!
Its not like we went last year?
Who at back up PG that will play for the Vet Min is such a player you prefer to see?
Awesome. Nice job Grunwald. For what the Knicks had to work with this was a really good offseason. Can't wait for the season to start.
NYKBocker wrote:Very good signing. Beno should start from day one. They should get rid of Felton.
wow, what a very enlightened post. Get rid of a guy that played well and ISN'T overpaid....makes perfect sense if you live in an insane world. Felton is KEEPER.
tkf wrote:Clean wrote:tkf wrote:I think beno will be better than prigs... which is why I didn't like giving prigs a dime more..
No one could have thought we would have gotten Beno for the Min. I do think maybe Nate would have been better other signing if we knew we would get Beno later. I don't care about that anymore I am just happy we got a guy I have been wanting for a few years now.
well maybe not beno, but look at the list I posted days ago, there were other options better than prigs IMO.... Dj augustine being one of them..
Hate Augustine's game and I don't think he was a better option. Again, you can't say the Knicks don't have a plan if they pick their guy and go with him first. To come out of free agency with Prigs, Ron and Beno while only having 3.1 mil and vet mini deals to offer is very good in my opinion. The Knicks play really well when Pablo is on the court. Thirteen game win streaks to get second seed in the east mean something.
Good pick-up. We got a solid vet PG for the minimum and he is under 35 years old. Actually only 31. Fills our need and gives us depth.
yellowboy90 wrote:Andrew wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:MSG3 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:another bad signing by NY. He sucks they could have gotten way better pgs earlier. Besides how good could he be if no one else wanted him.
Go take a look at his splits with ORL and his time in SA. To say he sucks is just flat out incorrect.
He stinks and will get exposed in the eastern conference finals. Game over
If you don't like the signing please take some time to explain in detail. Saying over and over that he stinks adds nothing.
I would but since I've posted negative post about MWP/Udrih not coming and they came I think I should take it a step further and talk about how bad they will be on the knicks.
Nice. I saw you posted last night that he wasn't coming. Who are the Knicks not getting for the fifteenth man?
tkf wrote:Clean wrote:tkf wrote:I think beno will be better than prigs... which is why I didn't like giving prigs a dime more..
No one could have thought we would have gotten Beno for the Min. I do think maybe Nate would have been better other signing if we knew we would get Beno later. I don't care about that anymore I am just happy we got a guy I have been wanting for a few years now.
well maybe not beno, but look at the list I posted days ago, there were other options better than prigs IMO.... Dj augustine being one of them..
besides being younger, how is DJ any better?
Dj Augustine would have been the best pick up in the off season. He is clearly better than ray, prigs, or beno.
Grunny gets an F.
RonRon wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Very good signing. Beno should start from day one. They should get rid of Felton.
Felton is one of our best penetration with the ability to finish especially with JR possibly missing time, can hit wide open 3pter's, score, and throwing alley hoops to Chandler/Kmart
His weakness is defending a position and isn't a good facilitator vs very good defensive teams that are contenders
You gotta check Beno's highlights. Dude is a very good penetrator and likes to push the ball up. He really is like a slower Lin/Dragic type player.
So we lose Camby, Novak, Kidd, Cope, Q Rich, Earl Barron
and we gain Beno, MWP, Bargs, Hardaway, CJ Lesie, Jeremy Tyler
This has been an overall good offseason when factoring in the limitations we had on us. MWP covers copes production . Beno is a huge get over the nearly dead Kidd. We got youth for the present and future. If Bargs has anything left I think we can surprise everyone in the east again this year.
martin wrote:tkf wrote:Clean wrote:tkf wrote:I think beno will be better than prigs... which is why I didn't like giving prigs a dime more..
No one could have thought we would have gotten Beno for the Min. I do think maybe Nate would have been better other signing if we knew we would get Beno later. I don't care about that anymore I am just happy we got a guy I have been wanting for a few years now.
well maybe not beno, but look at the list I posted days ago, there were other options better than prigs IMO.... Dj augustine being one of them..
besides being younger, how is DJ any better?
Speed element, Dj is much faster, and can actually get into the lane and finish, not saying he is great at that, but we don't get that at all from prigs, heck...we don't get enough of that from anyone on our team, especially our guards...
you want to talk pick and roll, DJ is actually good at the pull up jumper off the dribble. one of his few offensive strengths....
defensively he is average, but after watching him blow by our guards last year, it makes you wonder how good defensively we are there as well..
overall, i would take him over prigs not only because he is a decade younger, but he brings another element we need to this team.. youth and speed, and offensively I think he is more of a threat which actually bodes well in the pick and roll.. Isn't that supposed to be a big part of our offense now according to most?
If you want to be honest, all things being equal, which i don't think they are.. why not go younger and cheaper?
DurzoBlint wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Very good signing. Beno should start from day one. They should get rid of Felton.
wow, what a very enlightened post. Get rid of a guy that played well and ISN'T overpaid....makes perfect sense if you live in an insane world. Felton is KEEPER.
Felton did play well in spurts last year. Other times he was putrid. He also has a tendency to sulk and cause trouble when he doesn't start. The minute they figure out that Beno is better and should start over Felton then you will see Felton destroy team dynamics. Its in his history. He has done this in Denver and in Portland.
yellowboy90 wrote:Dj Augustine would have been the best pick up in the off season. He is clearly better than ray, prigs, or beno.
Grunny gets an F.
I think he would have been also.. and a lot cheaper..
Clean wrote:So we lose Camby, Novak, Kidd, Cope, Q Rich, Earl Barronand we gain Beno, MWP, Bargs, Hardaway, CJ Lesie, Jeremy Tyler
This has been an overall good offseason when factoring in the limitations we had on us. MWP covers copes production . Beno is a huge get over the nearly dead Kidd. We got youth for the present and future. If Bargs has anything left I think we can surprise everyone in the east again this year.
we also lose 3 draft picks...
tkf wrote:Clean wrote:So we lose Camby, Novak, Kidd, Cope, Q Rich, Earl Barronand we gain Beno, MWP, Bargs, Hardaway, CJ Lesie, Jeremy Tyler
This has been an overall good offseason when factoring in the limitations we had on us. MWP covers copes production . Beno is a huge get over the nearly dead Kidd. We got youth for the present and future. If Bargs has anything left I think we can surprise everyone in the east again this year.
we also lose 3 draft picks...
Imagine if the Knicks had offered more money to their prized free agent and he still left.
He's an OK player. His defensive #s are really bad but he helps on offense. I don't expect him to make a big difference but he's worth the league min.
tkf wrote:Clean wrote:So we lose Camby, Novak, Kidd, Cope, Q Rich, Earl Barronand we gain Beno, MWP, Bargs, Hardaway, CJ Lesie, Jeremy Tyler
This has been an overall good offseason when factoring in the limitations we had on us. MWP covers copes production . Beno is a huge get over the nearly dead Kidd. We got youth for the present and future. If Bargs has anything left I think we can surprise everyone in the east again this year.
we also lose 3 draft picks...
I also like draft picks but I think the deal for Bargs is very good. They wanted to get rid of Camby and Novak contract anyways and was able to do it here. So basically we got Bargs for a 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders. Unless we tank and the 1st rounder becomes a lottery pick and the 2nd rounders are in the 31-36 range then I think it was a fair deal.
