Knicks · Excellent Bargs tape and why he should do well here (page 3)

EnySpree wrote:I guess me and Briggs the only ones that think bargs can post up....tons of video says he can and very well yet he's Steve Novak

He can but that's not why he was brought here. He is here to stretch the floor. Don't set yourselves up for disappointment. We are talking about Mike Woodson here. Not necessarily an offensive guru

gunsnewing wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I guess me and Briggs the only ones that think bargs can post up....tons of video says he can and very well yet he's Steve Novak

He can but that's not why he was brought here. He is here to stretch the floor. Don't set yourselves up for disappointment. We are talking about Mike Woodson here. Not necessarily an offensive guru

I don't think he was brought in to be a one dimensional player. If he can do both (he has shown the ability in the past) then he will.

Melo doesn't need another scoring title

gunsnewing wrote:Woodson does a great job of motivating players as evident by our lack of long losing streaks. His offense especially in the playoffs when defenses tighten up leaves a lot to be desired. With Bargs, udrih and a healthy Amare he has no excuses this yr. No more injury excuses with 40yrs olds either. Lets see a well executed NBA offense for 82 games+

Melo doesn't need another scoring title

I would also say that players, even older ones seem to improve under him.

gunsnewing wrote:Woodson does a great job of motivating players as evident by our lack of long losing streaks. His offense especially in the playoffs when defenses tighten up leaves a lot to be desired. With Bargs, udrih and a healthy Amare he has no excuses this yr. No more injury excuses with 40yrs olds either. Lets see a well executed NBA offense for 82 games+

Melo doesn't need another scoring title

honestly, I think jason kidd on the bench last year had a bigger influence than most want to admit... he is no longer here, I don't think the knicks will be as good.. I have no confidence in woodson as he is a average coach at best..

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Woodson does a great job of motivating players as evident by our lack of long losing streaks. His offense especially in the playoffs when defenses tighten up leaves a lot to be desired. With Bargs, udrih and a healthy Amare he has no excuses this yr. No more injury excuses with 40yrs olds either. Lets see a well executed NBA offense for 82 games+

Melo doesn't need another scoring title

I would also say that players, even older ones seem to improve under him.

like who?

gunsnewing wrote:Tmac was 34 with serious injury history. Bargs is 28 certainly still in his prime

What ones prime is subjective. Eddy Curry is in his prime you want him.

gunsnewing wrote:Tmac was 34 with serious injury history. Bargs is 28 certainly still in his prime

prime age wise, but emotionally is on the decline. His game also peaked, he hasn't gotten better, he certainly is not on the rise... I think he is on the decline. Age isn't always the determining factor..

I think Bargs rather be back in Europe, likes the NBA money and fame, but really doesn't have it in him to play at this level consistently....

Vmart wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Tmac was 34 with serious injury history. Bargs is 28 certainly still in his prime

What ones prime is subjective. Eddy Curry is in his prime you want him.

LOL, you beat me to it. I said age isn't always the determining factor.. Like with boxers, some guys have been in wars or had some real bad KO losses, they just had it beat out of them, and a lot of time are done before they reach 30.. bargs is similar in that he has been emotionally beat, which hasn't allowed his game to properly grow... I think he is on an emotional decline and his game is on that same path..... IMO

Nothing to do with declining emotionally. That's a little of base no?

Vmart wrote:All these clips of Barg are old they aren't from last year his best days are long gone. It's like going into the past and get clips of T-Mac and saying he is going to do this for us. He is on the downside of his career.

That's not true. I have shown a bunch of videos from AB playing with the hurt elbow in 2013. Just so you can shut up about him being done so to speak.

This is the play he injured his elbow on Dec 10, 2012

This is when he came back

Even with the hurt elbow you could see he was still able to play and now he's 100% physically. There's no reason that AB can't be an effective addition to this team and give us a real contribution.

gunsnewing wrote:You realize he missed most of the past 2 seasons with minor injuries right?

Nothing to do with declining emotionally. That's a little of base no?

he has been in emotional decline since sam mitchell left the raptors. I read some articles, interesting ones in which mitchell was prohibited from really coaching bargnani hard.... the guy was coddled and protected.. over the past few years with the changes in toronto he has been like the odd man looking in....emotionally you hear he doesn't want to work hard, likes the NBA's money and fame, but not the work.. he is fragile and damaged emotionally from a professional standpoint..

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:You realize he missed most of the past 2 seasons with minor injuries right?

Nothing to do with declining emotionally. That's a little of base no?

he has been in emotional decline since sam mitchell left the raptors. I read some articles, interesting ones in which mitchell was prohibited from really coaching bargnani hard.... the guy was coddled and protected.. over the past few years with the changes in toronto he has been like the odd man looking in....emotionally you hear he doesn't want to work hard, likes the NBA's money and fame, but not the work.. he is fragile and damaged emotionally from a professional standpoint..

What you're saying doesn't make sense. Why would Bargnani be in emotional decline if Mitchell was fired? Also if Mitchell was ordered to be hands off with Bargnani and he couldn't be tough with him, then why would Bargs be down emotionally? HOW DOES BEING CODDLED BREAK YOU EMOTIONALLY?

Everyone has their path to maturity and I think Bargnani appreciates this 2nd chance he has to get his career back on track. I think with our team and coaches AB will play much better and have a bounce back year. It's not about yelling at him or being tough so to speak. You can get players to perform without that crap. This idea that you need someone to yell and curse you just to play well is not true. Some of the most quiet and respectful coaches have won super bowls in the NFL, which is a much tougher sport.

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nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:You realize he missed most of the past 2 seasons with minor injuries right?

Nothing to do with declining emotionally. That's a little of base no?

he has been in emotional decline since sam mitchell left the raptors. I read some articles, interesting ones in which mitchell was prohibited from really coaching bargnani hard.... the guy was coddled and protected.. over the past few years with the changes in toronto he has been like the odd man looking in....emotionally you hear he doesn't want to work hard, likes the NBA's money and fame, but not the work.. he is fragile and damaged emotionally from a professional standpoint..

What you're saying doesn't make sense. Why would Bargnani be in emotional decline if Mitchell was fired? Also if Mitchell was ordered to be hands off with Bargnani and he couldn't be tough with him, then why would Bargs be down emotionally? HOW DOES BEING CODDLED BREAK YOU EMOTIONALLY?

Everyone has their path to maturity and I think Bargnani appreciates this 2nd chance he has to get his career back on track. I think with our team and coaches AB will play much better and have a bounce back year. It's not about yelling at him or being tough so to speak. You can get players to perform without that crap. This idea that you need someone to yell and curse you just to play well is not true. Some of the most quiet and respectful coaches have won super bowls in the NFL, which is a much tougher sport.