Knicks · JR Who? Paul Pierce and the unfortunate onset of Alzheimers... (page 4)
knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
Yeah i thought that analogy was odd....Jeter is a pro in every aspect of his sport....which is why I didnt address that point at all.
Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
He played very well but not at HOF level in the first half of his career. Players are judged by their entire careers not halves of their careers though. I've lost track of what your argument is anyway. Is it that Pierce hasn't accomplished enough to get away with dissing a guy like JR? That's really what this thread is about.
You brought up Derek Jeter. Have you ever heard of Jeter dissing another player through the media or in public? Pierce being in the HOF has nothing to do with it for me.......these guys are all paid professionals.......it's a douchey move on Pierce's part to single out and diss another player. You seem to be caught up in the fact that Pierce having superior ability or performance stats than JR gives him the right to do this. It just makes him look like a bitter old tool. Again, I use Jeter as my benchmark for how successful people should act with the media.
knickscity wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
I agree. Pierce will be in the HOF but he's not so great that I feel any "admiration" for him as a fan of a rival team. He's not the caliber of player you tell your grandkids about...
CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one." The respect doesn't diminish if you have a down season as you're aging.
Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
I agree. Pierce will be in the HOF but he's not so great that I feel any "admiration" for him as a fan of a rival team. He's not the caliber of player you tell your grandkids about...
Being a hall-of-famer means you have the talent that about 1 in a hundred million humans have. How can you say "not so great"?
Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.
The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
Bonn1997 wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
I agree. Pierce will be in the HOF but he's not so great that I feel any "admiration" for him as a fan of a rival team. He's not the caliber of player you tell your grandkids about...
Being a hall-of-famer means you have the talent that about 1 in a hundred million humans have. How can you say "not so great"?
I didn't only say "not so great", I said not so great that his legacy will carry on as one of the greatest to ever play. Sure, he'll be in the hall, but he's not cracking any analyst's Top 50 list, besides maybe Bill Simmons. HOFs are compared to other NBA Players, not everyone on the planet. Everyone in the NBA is great at basketball.
Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
And it would be disingenius to do so.
and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.
knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
And it would be disingenius to do so.and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.
They are analogous in terms of HOFers having a down year but not analogous in terms of how they handle the media. If I say that my stapler is the same as my car, it doesn't imply that I can drive my stapler to work. Given how prone people are to misinterpreting analogies they don't like, I probably should have realized how much time I'd end up wasting explaining the point before hand.
knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
And it would be disingenius to do so.and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.
baseball etiquette, such as it is, doesn't really allow for "dissing" another player openly. the nba often revels in trash talking.
maybe you would care to list some notable incidents where baseball players are dissing each other.
until then the introduction of "dissing" from pierce and being "professional" from jeter is a false and irrelevant comparison.
nobody is talking about character here. we are only talking about what the player does on the court or field.
dk7th wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
And it would be disingenius to do so.and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.
baseball etiquette, such as it is, doesn't really allow for "dissing" another player openly. the nba often revels in trash talking.
maybe you would care to list some notable incidents where baseball players are dissing each other.
until then the introduction of "dissing" from pierce and being "professional" from jeter is a false and irrelevant comparison.
nobody is talking about character here. we are only talking about what the player does on the court or field.
Right, neither the two players nor their respective sports are comparable in terms of etiquette.
dk7th wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
And it would be disingenius to do so.and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.
baseball etiquette, such as it is, doesn't really allow for "dissing" another player openly. the nba often revels in trash talking.
maybe you would care to list some notable incidents where baseball players are dissing each other.
until then the introduction of "dissing" from pierce and being "professional" from jeter is a false and irrelevant comparison.
nobody is talking about character here. we are only talking about what the player does on the court or field.
certainly i can....
Rollins said he might have bunted in his first plate appearance to try to up his batting average, but he would not have exited the game afterward in order to try to win a batting title in the finale, as Reyes did.
"I would have played the whole game," Rollins said, as quoted by the Post. "I'm like, 'Hey, I fought this hard to be in this position and I'm going to see it through to the end.' My personality, I'm going to ride it out. I worked this hard to be this good and put up these numbers, I would like to see it all the way to the end. I don't think it's lack of confidence with Jose Reyes, but that is the way he wanted to do it. For what reason, I don't know. It could have been outside influences. His agent may have told him, 'If you get up there, if you get a hit your first AB, you come out.' "
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/po...
remember this quote from a-rod?
“Jeter's been blessed with great talent around him. He's never had to lead. He can just go and play and have fun. And he hits second—that's totally different than third and fourth in a lineup. You go into New York, you wanna stop Bernie and O'Neill. You never say, 'Don't let Derek beat you. He's never your concern.”
that quote was made to esquire magazine.
Or perhaps a video will do....
I also think it safe that a sport where the bench is allowed to fight definitely talks trash and diss each other.
Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
And it would be disingenius to do so.and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.
They are analogous in terms of HOFers having a down year but not analogous in terms of how they handle the media. If I say that my stapler is the same as my car, it doesn't imply that I can drive my stapler to work. Given how prone people are to misinterpreting analogies they don't like, I probably should have realized how much time I'd end up wasting explaining the point before hand.
And before people play "gotcha," let me clarify that it also doesn't imply that I can staple papers together with my car
Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
And it would be disingenius to do so.and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.
They are analogous in terms of HOFers having a down year but not analogous in terms of how they handle the media. If I say that my stapler is the same as my car, it doesn't imply that I can drive my stapler to work. Given how prone people are to misinterpreting analogies they don't like, I probably should have realized how much time I'd end up wasting explaining the point before hand.And before people play "gotcha," let me clarify that it also doesn't imply that I can staple papers together with my car
I just thought you use a staple to hold certain parts together on your car.
knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Agree. Also, Jeter has won 5 world series with the Yankees, and up to this year has made the post season 17/18 years in pinstripes. Pierce has one title and it didn't happen until KG and Ray Allen were added to the squad. Also, Can't imagine Jeter getting traded or trash talking to the media. Pierce doesn't have the character or the resume of Jeter. I have a hard time respecting Pierce's 'greatness'. He is a villain in the Reggie Miller mode without the polish or charisma.dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knickscity wrote:Never thought I'd see the day Paul Pierce being defended on the board.
I don't hate opposing teams' players - whether that's a Red Sox or Celtics player. If a player is great, I respect and admire what they do.
Current Paul Pierce doesnt fit that mold tho. if this was a "used to be" discussion I'd agree.
Does Derek Jeter fit that mold? Once you play at championship, hall-of-fame level, the respect should be there permanently.
But no one is talking about respecting a players career, the discussion has been about "current" Paul Pierce.edit: I see you mentioned him being a future HOF'er so I guess that counts.
Sure wasnt what I was talking about tho.
Current? The current Paul Pierce is probably on a beach somewhere! Any discussion of the players' accomplishments will have to be looking at the past. How far back (1 season, whole career) you look is arbitrary. I'd say once you've a hall-of-fame career you've earned admiration.
the man is a finals mvp, is super clutch, makes others around him better, plays the game the right way, old-school.
yes his wheelchair antic and the bowing crap is lamentable but those behaviors don't make him any less than great. same goes with garnett.
how about wade's "ouch my eye moment" in 2011? lebron's "i've been shot" flopping against chandler? i don't recall seeing a career of flopping from pierce or garnett.
Pierce was nothing but meaningless stats before KG's arrival, multiple lotto visits....and only one season above 45 wins.Having a better team made Pierce better, not the other way around.
You appear to be reading irrelevant details from the analogy. I knew in advance everyone would do that because they treasure Jeter so much they can't appreciate the purpose of an analogy, which is to draw on *one* similarity from a situation, even if other characteristics differ. The only point was, "once a hall-of-famer, always one"
Thats probably because Jeter has displayed ALL the qualities of being a pro, lets be real Pierce wasnt squat before KG's arrival.The analogy doesnt fit.
would you compare Jordan to ray allen because both can hit clutch buckets?
You just did compare them along one dimension! And that's all I did - compare them along one dimension.
And it would be disingenius to do so.and in your case it's even worse, Jeter doesnt talk mess to the media about other players.
They are analogous in terms of HOFers having a down year but not analogous in terms of how they handle the media. If I say that my stapler is the same as my car, it doesn't imply that I can drive my stapler to work. Given how prone people are to misinterpreting analogies they don't like, I probably should have realized how much time I'd end up wasting explaining the point before hand.And before people play "gotcha," let me clarify that it also doesn't imply that I can staple papers together with my car
I just thought you use a staple to hold certain parts together on your car.
Well I never denied doing that!