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RonRon wrote:

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Paul George a $90 million dollar contract?? He should have showed his worth when they played Miami and he was missing in action. Three time alstar?? But I say to Paul George get all you can because you are just one injury away from being cut. Grab that money. Oh by the way his assist is only 3.7 and field goal pct went to his lowest 419 since he's been in the league. You know some haters come up with crazy numbers thinking no one is gonna check

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Paul George Proving in 2013 Playoffs He's NBA's Next Max Star
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The notion that Paul George isn't a max-contract NBA superstar is confusing. Why? Because it's not true.

Sans Danny Granger, who was once considered to be their best player, the Indiana Pacers are on the verge of advancing past the New York Knicks and into the Eastern Conference Finals. And while they depended upon the underrated talents of George Hill, the leadership of David West and the inconsistent stylings of Roy Hibbert, it's George who they have ridden into prominence.

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Operating as Indiana's go-to everything, George had the best regular season of his three-year career by far. He closed out 2012-13 averaging 17.4 points, 7.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists and 1.8 steals. He converted on just 41.9 percent of his field-goal attempts, but that didn't matter. Not nearly as much as everything else he was able to do.

At only 23 and now with an All-Star selection to his name, George was considered a rising star. And rightfully so.

He had become just the 10th player in NBA history to average at least 16 points, seven rebounds, four assists and 1.5 steals per game before his 24th birthday. It was a feat that put him in the company of Larry Bird, Kevin Garnett, LeBron James and Magic Johnson, among others. It was special. And he was rewarded for it.

George was named the NBA's Most Improved Player, much to the surprise of any Jrue Holiday supporters, but generally applauded all the same. That, along with his All-Star credentials, should have been enough. We should have been sold.

But not everyone was.

Although his accomplishments gave him star status, there was still something (unjustly) separating himself from the rest of the league's superstars—postseason success. Not in the sense that he had to win a championship (see Carmelo Anthony), but that he had to prove he was worth building around.

Could the Pacers contend in the postseason with him as their primary identity? Could he lead his team to some measure of postseason success? Was he worthy of a max contract, or was he perhaps a prolific facade?

The latter is a fair question. George is due to enter restricted free agency after next season, which means he's eligible for an extension.

This side of the lockout, it's become common practice to scrutinize the potential of any players entering the last legs of their rookie contracts. The Denver Nuggets (Ty Lawson), Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry) and Philadelphia 76ers (Jrue Holiday) all exercised extreme caution when it came to assessing the market value of their prized prospects.

No such trepidation is needed when it comes to George, though. He's not on the cusp of stardom; he's there. What he's actually on the precipice of is being compensated like one.

Anyone who watched George knows he wasn't feigning stardom or was some flash in the pan that would disappear overnight, or even next season. George was for real. Playoff success now in hand, arguments to the contrary are less than feeble.

George has been sensational in these playoffs.
For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run.

Once again, we find George pitting himself next to Hall of Famers like Magic, Bird, Scottie Pippen and Clyde Drexler, as well as future Hall of Famers like LeBron and Garnett.

It's not just his individual numbers either, but what he has meant to the Pacers all year, especially now.

Pat Lovell-USA TODAY Sports
George has hounded Anthony all series.
Thanks to George, Indiana is in a position of power against the Knicks. New York's offense has spent most of the series wallowing in ineptitude because of the Pacers' stout defensive sets. And George has led the cause on that end (both ends, really) by shutting down the Knicks' greatest weapon—Anthony.

Anthony is averaging 26 points per game in the series, but is shooting just 40.9 percent of the field. And he's fared even worse when George is defending him.

Per ESPN Stats & Information (via Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com), 'Melo is shooting just 32 percent from the floor when being defended by George, a number that has aided in the debilitation of the Knicks offense.

'Melo's shooting woes attest to George's superior length and overall defensive capabilities. Few players in the league can legitimately be considered two-way stars, yet he's one of them, which shouldn't be a surprise.

Is there anything he can't do?

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George is a star. Period.
George has been amongst the most elite of defenders all year. It's what truly separates him from the pack. The NBA is laden with scorers and playmakers, but George's unbridled effort on the defensive end has put him in a class shared by a select few. His teammates recognize this.

"He's got length and good feet and he's never really out of position even when he gets beat he's in the rear view contesting the shot," West said of his teammate (via Windhorst). "Melo is the best 1-on-1 player in the league, he can get shots from anywhere and he can make shots from anywhere. And PG embraces that challenge."

He's always embraced "that challenge." But because he doesn't play in Miami, New York or Los Angeles, he hasn't garnered the same praise as some of peers. And it's left many surprised at how complete a player he really is.

Is Paul George worthy of a max contract?
Yes
Not yet, but he will be
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Refer to the postseason as George's coming-out party if you must, but understand this is nothing new. His ceiling was always this broad, his future always this blinding. He played at this level the entire season.

Any who have believed otherwise have missed out. Those who disagree are still missing out and depriving themselves the opportunity to embrace the NBA's next max superstar.

That's what George is, after all, a superstar—a warranted status his next contract is destined to reflect.

"For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run."

Papabear Says

So what are you trying to say Ron Ron ? If you like him so much why don't you just become a Pacer's fan. Then you can root for George and company to beat the Knicks. You probably already do. LOL but who really care who you root for not MSG sold out crowds rooting for the Knicks.

I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

2013 playoffs for paul george

19.2 pts
54.8 TS%
7.4 reb
5.1 ast
1.3 steals
usg/ast ratio 1:1

these are superb numbers for a 3rd year player

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

He actually says it about Melo but this thread needed another Melo mention. Anything under 50% is bad according to vmart

This is an 80 million dollar deal, not 90 million if I'm reading the article correctly. He has not hit any of the Rose rule requirements and the signing is this week.

Either way, he's a young player on the upswing, plays two ways, low field goal percentage but he doesn't take a ton of shots, and he has game. He's definitely worth it.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

That was what I was leading up to. Without mentioning the name.

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RonRon wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Paul George a $90 million dollar contract?? He should have showed his worth when they played Miami and he was missing in action. Three time alstar?? But I say to Paul George get all you can because you are just one injury away from being cut. Grab that money. Oh by the way his assist is only 3.7 and field goal pct went to his lowest 419 since he's been in the league. You know some haters come up with crazy numbers thinking no one is gonna check

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/16404...

Paul George Proving in 2013 Playoffs He's NBA's Next Max Star
BY DAN FAVALE (FEATURED COLUMNIST) ON MAY 15, 2013
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The notion that Paul George isn't a max-contract NBA superstar is confusing. Why? Because it's not true.

Sans Danny Granger, who was once considered to be their best player, the Indiana Pacers are on the verge of advancing past the New York Knicks and into the Eastern Conference Finals. And while they depended upon the underrated talents of George Hill, the leadership of David West and the inconsistent stylings of Roy Hibbert, it's George who they have ridden into prominence.

Joe Robbins/Getty Images
Operating as Indiana's go-to everything, George had the best regular season of his three-year career by far. He closed out 2012-13 averaging 17.4 points, 7.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists and 1.8 steals. He converted on just 41.9 percent of his field-goal attempts, but that didn't matter. Not nearly as much as everything else he was able to do.

At only 23 and now with an All-Star selection to his name, George was considered a rising star. And rightfully so.

He had become just the 10th player in NBA history to average at least 16 points, seven rebounds, four assists and 1.5 steals per game before his 24th birthday. It was a feat that put him in the company of Larry Bird, Kevin Garnett, LeBron James and Magic Johnson, among others. It was special. And he was rewarded for it.

George was named the NBA's Most Improved Player, much to the surprise of any Jrue Holiday supporters, but generally applauded all the same. That, along with his All-Star credentials, should have been enough. We should have been sold.

But not everyone was.

Although his accomplishments gave him star status, there was still something (unjustly) separating himself from the rest of the league's superstars—postseason success. Not in the sense that he had to win a championship (see Carmelo Anthony), but that he had to prove he was worth building around.

Could the Pacers contend in the postseason with him as their primary identity? Could he lead his team to some measure of postseason success? Was he worthy of a max contract, or was he perhaps a prolific facade?

The latter is a fair question. George is due to enter restricted free agency after next season, which means he's eligible for an extension.

This side of the lockout, it's become common practice to scrutinize the potential of any players entering the last legs of their rookie contracts. The Denver Nuggets (Ty Lawson), Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry) and Philadelphia 76ers (Jrue Holiday) all exercised extreme caution when it came to assessing the market value of their prized prospects.

No such trepidation is needed when it comes to George, though. He's not on the cusp of stardom; he's there. What he's actually on the precipice of is being compensated like one.

Anyone who watched George knows he wasn't feigning stardom or was some flash in the pan that would disappear overnight, or even next season. George was for real. Playoff success now in hand, arguments to the contrary are less than feeble.

George has been sensational in these playoffs.
For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run.

Once again, we find George pitting himself next to Hall of Famers like Magic, Bird, Scottie Pippen and Clyde Drexler, as well as future Hall of Famers like LeBron and Garnett.

It's not just his individual numbers either, but what he has meant to the Pacers all year, especially now.

Pat Lovell-USA TODAY Sports
George has hounded Anthony all series.
Thanks to George, Indiana is in a position of power against the Knicks. New York's offense has spent most of the series wallowing in ineptitude because of the Pacers' stout defensive sets. And George has led the cause on that end (both ends, really) by shutting down the Knicks' greatest weapon—Anthony.

Anthony is averaging 26 points per game in the series, but is shooting just 40.9 percent of the field. And he's fared even worse when George is defending him.

Per ESPN Stats & Information (via Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com), 'Melo is shooting just 32 percent from the floor when being defended by George, a number that has aided in the debilitation of the Knicks offense.

'Melo's shooting woes attest to George's superior length and overall defensive capabilities. Few players in the league can legitimately be considered two-way stars, yet he's one of them, which shouldn't be a surprise.

Is there anything he can't do?

USA TODAY Sports
George is a star. Period.
George has been amongst the most elite of defenders all year. It's what truly separates him from the pack. The NBA is laden with scorers and playmakers, but George's unbridled effort on the defensive end has put him in a class shared by a select few. His teammates recognize this.

"He's got length and good feet and he's never really out of position even when he gets beat he's in the rear view contesting the shot," West said of his teammate (via Windhorst). "Melo is the best 1-on-1 player in the league, he can get shots from anywhere and he can make shots from anywhere. And PG embraces that challenge."

He's always embraced "that challenge." But because he doesn't play in Miami, New York or Los Angeles, he hasn't garnered the same praise as some of peers. And it's left many surprised at how complete a player he really is.

Is Paul George worthy of a max contract?
Yes
Not yet, but he will be
No, and he will never be
Not sureSUBMIT VOTE vote to see results
Refer to the postseason as George's coming-out party if you must, but understand this is nothing new. His ceiling was always this broad, his future always this blinding. He played at this level the entire season.

Any who have believed otherwise have missed out. Those who disagree are still missing out and depriving themselves the opportunity to embrace the NBA's next max superstar.

That's what George is, after all, a superstar—a warranted status his next contract is destined to reflect.

"For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run."

Papabear Says

So what are you trying to say Ron Ron ? If you like him so much why don't you just become a Pacer's fan. Then you can root for George and company to beat the Knicks. You probably already do. LOL but who really care who you root for not MSG sold out crowds rooting for the Knicks.

That I am a sports fan first
Just because I root for the Knick's doesn't mean, I lose my judgement of players/talents and have to agree with all the decisions of the organization

Because I think Paul George is more efficient, all round more talented than Melo, more cost efficient because he makes much less money, has more upside/potential with his age, and is willing to put his TEAM over his personal achievements, he earned my respect as well as Lebron's it that series, IT DOESN'T MAKE ME AN EVIL PERSON

Last I checked, 90 million is less than 100m, and well what is Melo worth at his age for his next contract with his accomplishments/personal achievements along with a MEMEME attitude, system and offense should always be run through MEMEME??

You asked for the stats and I delivered, don't go attacking other posters here if you can't take it...
DISH BUT CAN'T RECEIVE, world doesn't work that way buddy....

Please come up with a new line because you look like a fool time after time, don't come attacking me because you constantly spiked in your face with your own words
You praise Melo's as if his S#!T don't stink and you would eat it 7 days a week, 365 days a year, for the rest of your life

Oh, I am not done....
Papa Bear says GARBAGE, please stop posting and attacking posters, especially when you are drunk, no one here understands what Papa Bear thinks he "says"

Want me to continue?

It's so hard to come by players who can give you two way production. He's young and getting better. He's not a great offensive player, but he's a very good team player on a team that thrives on TEAM play. The one thing that bothers me is that he doesn't really strike fear in opponents. Sure they know he's good but he doesn't really put pressure on you offensively. For those that bash Melo that's the part they miss. He's constantly putting pressure on the other team. That can have a positive effect on your team and it can also be a problem if not balanced with good team flow. I always want a guy that can take over when needed so that kind of bothers me that George doesn't really give you that on a regular basis. Still for Indy I think they have to do that deal.

As tough as the Pacers played they still don't have that dynamic player who can't easily be stopped and George isn't that kind of player right now, if ever. They're basically the Billups, Rip, Prince, Wallace n Sheed, Detroit Pistons. Don't know if that can win a title, but Indy is basically "all in" on this path.

Paul george is still inconsistent. No one goes into a series thinking, "WE cant let PGeorge dominate us". but the kid is only 23 with a world of potential. The pacers did the right thing in investing in scottie pippen 2.0

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Forgot the Pacers got Stephenson in that draft. Makes me wonder where Andy Rautins is playing. Its pretty hard to come out of a draft with a guy that is old and sucks.

Am I the only one that believed in Rautins? He reminds me a lot of Marco Bellinelli, whose game I liked a lot through the years. If Rautins was healthy and given the opportunity, I think he would've shocked a lot of people.

I hated the pick. Rautins was a reach for even a second round pick. No upside and old. I think at the time Walsh was trying to bring in guys with four years experience that were high character guys because of who his coach was. The fact that Rautins could hit the three also made it appear to me at the time that he was picked for the coach. Leo and D'Antoni were playing professionally in Italy at the same time and I always wondered if that connection had something to do with his being drafted by the Knicks. I always felt the Knicks could have invited Rautins to training camp and not used a pick on him if they really saw something there.

Stephenson killed us in the playoffs- take him out of the series, and we might even have won it.

Would he have become the player he is today if we'd drafted him? I'm really not sure- he had a really rough start on and off the court (remember when he pushed his girlfriend down the stairs and people were saying how glad they were we didn't draft him?). Would love to have him on the team, but I doubt we would have had the patience to develop him.

Stephenson was the street cred for the Pacers, ours was Melo, we couldn't have another player like that on our roster who pushed the envelope with bully ball like Stephenson did to us in the playoffs.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

He actually says it about Melo but this thread needed another Melo mention. Anything under 50% is bad according to vmart

For some reason, I thought VMart was part of the hardcore Melo defending crowd. My bad then.

knickstorrents wrote:This is an 80 million dollar deal, not 90 million if I'm reading the article correctly. He has not hit any of the Rose rule requirements and the signing is this week.

Either way, he's a young player on the upswing, plays two ways, low field goal percentage but he doesn't take a ton of shots, and he has game. He's definitely worth it.

Yeah, I tried to point that out too. It's 5 yrs at $16 mil per. He has to earn the rest.
Anyone know if the performance incentives count against their cap?

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:This is an 80 million dollar deal, not 90 million if I'm reading the article correctly. He has not hit any of the Rose rule requirements and the signing is this week.

Either way, he's a young player on the upswing, plays two ways, low field goal percentage but he doesn't take a ton of shots, and he has game. He's definitely worth it.

Yeah, I tried to point that out too. It's 5 yrs at $16 mil per. He has to earn the rest.
Anyone know if the performance incentives count against their cap?

'Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or unlikely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player had seven assists per game the previous season, then an incentive based on seven assists per game would be classified as likely to be achieved, but one based on eight assists per game would be classified as not likely. '

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:This is an 80 million dollar deal, not 90 million if I'm reading the article correctly. He has not hit any of the Rose rule requirements and the signing is this week.

Either way, he's a young player on the upswing, plays two ways, low field goal percentage but he doesn't take a ton of shots, and he has game. He's definitely worth it.

Yeah, I tried to point that out too. It's 5 yrs at $16 mil per. He has to earn the rest.
Anyone know if the performance incentives count against their cap?

'Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or unlikely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player had seven assists per game the previous season, then an incentive based on seven assists per game would be classified as likely to be achieved, but one based on eight assists per game would be classified as not likely. '

OK, thanks. I guess we don't know the details of the incentives and won't know which category they'd be in.

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:This is an 80 million dollar deal, not 90 million if I'm reading the article correctly. He has not hit any of the Rose rule requirements and the signing is this week.

Either way, he's a young player on the upswing, plays two ways, low field goal percentage but he doesn't take a ton of shots, and he has game. He's definitely worth it.

Yeah, I tried to point that out too. It's 5 yrs at $16 mil per. He has to earn the rest.
Anyone know if the performance incentives count against their cap?

'Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or unlikely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player had seven assists per game the previous season, then an incentive based on seven assists per game would be classified as likely to be achieved, but one based on eight assists per game would be classified as not likely. '

OK, thanks. I guess we don't know the details of the incentives and won't know which category they'd be in.

we don't, but it is fun to guess:

he dropped 17 per game last year, are they looking for him to come in and drop 20?

maintain his dimes at 4 a game? do they want his boards to stay at 7?

i think it's dangerous to pepper a contract with performance incentives because then a part of the players focus could slip into just worrying about specific number, and it kind of locks the player into situation where he might not always act in the best interest of the team

Shawn Marion pt II

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

He actually says it about Melo but this thread needed another Melo mention. Anything under 50% is bad according to vmart

For some reason, I thought VMart was part of the hardcore Melo defending crowd. My bad then.

I'm a Melo fan who thinks he can do better and elevate his game to a higher level of play. For me it all starts with 50% FG. I consider Melo to be a good player but not a great player. The great ones shoot a good high percentage.

jrodmc wrote:Oh sure, Paul George is worth max money:

1) He's not on the Knicks
2) He's got a Third Team All NBA patch!
3) He's so much more efficient than Melo! (there ya go, Nalod!)

yeah, typical...if he plays elsewhere start the love fest but, if its a Knicks player, fake ass fans will do what they do...HATE.

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.

FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?

He actually says it about Melo but this thread needed another Melo mention. Anything under 50% is bad according to vmart

For some reason, I thought VMart was part of the hardcore Melo defending crowd. My bad then.

I'm a Melo fan who thinks he can do better and elevate his game to a higher level of play. For me it all starts with 50% FG. I consider Melo to be a good player but not a great player. The great ones shoot a good high percentage.

FG% should apply to those players who only shoot 2 point shots, which is basically the dying breed of post players.

TS% is the measure that includes a combination of 2 and 3 pointers (eFG% accounts for just 2s and 3s but that would not apply either) and then folds in free throws too.

if melo is ever to become a great scorer he needs to not merely raise his FG% from it's mediocre level but he needs to substantially raise his TS% to 58% and higher.

last year he was at 44.9 FG and 56 TS. those numbers did not bode well for him come big boy season. so--

playoffs were even worse and telling: 40.6 FG and 49.7 TS. that's awful for a so-called "elite scorer."