Vmart wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.
FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?
He actually says it about Melo but this thread needed another Melo mention. Anything under 50% is bad according to vmart
For some reason, I thought VMart was part of the hardcore Melo defending crowd. My bad then.
I'm a Melo fan who thinks he can do better and elevate his game to a higher level of play. For me it all starts with 50% FG. I consider Melo to be a good player but not a great player. The great ones shoot a good high percentage.
FG% should apply to those players who only shoot 2 point shots, which is basically the dying breed of post players.
TS% is the measure that includes a combination of 2 and 3 pointers (eFG% accounts for just 2s and 3s but that would not apply either) and then folds in free throws too.
if melo is ever to become a great scorer he needs to not merely raise his FG% from it's mediocre level but he needs to substantially raise his TS% to 58% and higher.
last year he was at 44.9 FG and 56 TS. those numbers did not bode well for him come big boy season. so--
playoffs were even worse and telling: 40.6 FG and 49.7 TS. that's awful for a so-called "elite scorer."
i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
dk7th wrote:Vmart wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.
FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?
He actually says it about Melo but this thread needed another Melo mention. Anything under 50% is bad according to vmart
For some reason, I thought VMart was part of the hardcore Melo defending crowd. My bad then.
I'm a Melo fan who thinks he can do better and elevate his game to a higher level of play. For me it all starts with 50% FG. I consider Melo to be a good player but not a great player. The great ones shoot a good high percentage.
FG% should apply to those players who only shoot 2 point shots, which is basically the dying breed of post players.
TS% is the measure that includes a combination of 2 and 3 pointers (eFG% accounts for just 2s and 3s but that would not apply either) and then folds in free throws too.
if melo is ever to become a great scorer he needs to not merely raise his FG% from it's mediocre level but he needs to substantially raise his TS% to 58% and higher.
last year he was at 44.9 FG and 56 TS. those numbers did not bode well for him come big boy season. so--
playoffs were even worse and telling: 40.6 FG and 49.7 TS. that's awful for a so-called "elite scorer."
Well, maybe if the 100 million dollar piece of statuary called Amare were able to produce, Melo wouldn't have to work so damn hard. There is a lot that goes into it. Amare went from the number 3scorer in the league to a bench warmer. Few players would shoot well when your supporting cast sucks and teams ONLY HAVE to game plan for Melo.
Haters need to get off his nuts and let him live. I like Melo, don't see him as great. He is what he is and people expecting him to change to fit their idea of what he should be are unrealistic.
Vmart wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.
FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?
He actually says it about Melo but this thread needed another Melo mention. Anything under 50% is bad according to vmart
For some reason, I thought VMart was part of the hardcore Melo defending crowd. My bad then.
I'm a Melo fan who thinks he can do better and elevate his game to a higher level of play. For me it all starts with 50% FG. I consider Melo to be a good player but not a great player. The great ones shoot a good high percentage.
I agree with all that. He needs to be more than just a good player but I've never said he was a bad player.
IronWillGiroud wrote:i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
Breaking even would mean shooting the same percentage as your opponent, wouldn't it? In a simplified game with no 3s and no FTs, if you both shoot 40 for 100, you're even.
I was comparing some stats between Chris Mullin and Melo. Chris Mullin in his peak years absolutely destroys Melo in efg and TS%. For his career Mullin shot .509 fg.
Vmart wrote:I was comparing some stats between Chris Mullin and Melo. Chris Mullin in his peak years absolutely destroys Melo in efg and TS%. For his career Mullin shot .509 fg.
that's not even the most impressive part,
he was hung over for most of those field goals
DurzoBlint wrote:dk7th wrote:Vmart wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.
FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?
He actually says it about Melo but this thread needed another Melo mention. Anything under 50% is bad according to vmart
For some reason, I thought VMart was part of the hardcore Melo defending crowd. My bad then.
I'm a Melo fan who thinks he can do better and elevate his game to a higher level of play. For me it all starts with 50% FG. I consider Melo to be a good player but not a great player. The great ones shoot a good high percentage.
FG% should apply to those players who only shoot 2 point shots, which is basically the dying breed of post players.
TS% is the measure that includes a combination of 2 and 3 pointers (eFG% accounts for just 2s and 3s but that would not apply either) and then folds in free throws too.
if melo is ever to become a great scorer he needs to not merely raise his FG% from it's mediocre level but he needs to substantially raise his TS% to 58% and higher.
last year he was at 44.9 FG and 56 TS. those numbers did not bode well for him come big boy season. so--
playoffs were even worse and telling: 40.6 FG and 49.7 TS. that's awful for a so-called "elite scorer."
Well, maybe if the 100 million dollar piece of statuary called Amare were able to produce, Melo wouldn't have to work so damn hard. There is a lot that goes into it. Amare went from the number 3scorer in the league to a bench warmer. Few players would shoot well when your supporting cast sucks and teams ONLY HAVE to game plan for Melo.
Haters need to get off his nuts and let him live. I like Melo, don't see him as great. He is what he is and people expecting him to change to fit their idea of what he should be are unrealistic.
melo and stat straight up sucked together so your point is misdirection at its finest.
Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
Breaking even would mean shooting the same percentage as your opponent, wouldn't it? In a simplified game with no 3s and no FTs, if you both shoot 40 for 100, you're even.
it's just that this 36% figure, this is cited somewhere on the internet as the break even point
IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
Breaking even would mean shooting the same percentage as your opponent, wouldn't it? In a simplified game with no 3s and no FTs, if you both shoot 40 for 100, you're even.
it's just that this 36% figure, this is cited somewhere on the internet as the break even point
I'd have to see an explanation of that. It doesn't sound right.
Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
Breaking even would mean shooting the same percentage as your opponent, wouldn't it? In a simplified game with no 3s and no FTs, if you both shoot 40 for 100, you're even.
it's just that this 36% figure, this is cited somewhere on the internet as the break even point
I'd have to see an explanation of that. It doesn't sound right.
here we go, a brief mention:
You may remember from Tuesday's piece that the "break-even" percentage on three-pointers compared to two-pointers on a league scale is 32 percent. That is, shooting 32 percent on three-pointers is better than shooting league average (47 percent) on twos.
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/5/3293457...
'tuesday's piece':
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/4/3290879...
IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
Breaking even would mean shooting the same percentage as your opponent, wouldn't it? In a simplified game with no 3s and no FTs, if you both shoot 40 for 100, you're even.
it's just that this 36% figure, this is cited somewhere on the internet as the break even point
I'd have to see an explanation of that. It doesn't sound right.
here we go, a brief mention:
You may remember from Tuesday's piece that the "break-even" percentage on three-pointers compared to two-pointers on a league scale is 32 percent. That is, shooting 32 percent on three-pointers is better than shooting league average (47 percent) on twos.
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/5/3293457...
'tuesday's piece':
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/4/3290879...
Yeah, that's on 3 pointers. I didn't realize you were referring to 3 pointers. By their reasoning, the break even point for 2 pointers would be 47%.
Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
Breaking even would mean shooting the same percentage as your opponent, wouldn't it? In a simplified game with no 3s and no FTs, if you both shoot 40 for 100, you're even.
it's just that this 36% figure, this is cited somewhere on the internet as the break even point
I'd have to see an explanation of that. It doesn't sound right.
here we go, a brief mention:
You may remember from Tuesday's piece that the "break-even" percentage on three-pointers compared to two-pointers on a league scale is 32 percent. That is, shooting 32 percent on three-pointers is better than shooting league average (47 percent) on twos.
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/5/3293457...
'tuesday's piece':
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/4/3290879...
Yeah, that's on 3 pointers. I didn't realize you were referring to 3 pointers. By their reasoning, the break even point for 2 pointers would be 47%.
so can we go with this? can we roll with 32/47?
IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
Breaking even would mean shooting the same percentage as your opponent, wouldn't it? In a simplified game with no 3s and no FTs, if you both shoot 40 for 100, you're even.
it's just that this 36% figure, this is cited somewhere on the internet as the break even point
I'd have to see an explanation of that. It doesn't sound right.
here we go, a brief mention:
You may remember from Tuesday's piece that the "break-even" percentage on three-pointers compared to two-pointers on a league scale is 32 percent. That is, shooting 32 percent on three-pointers is better than shooting league average (47 percent) on twos.
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/5/3293457...
'tuesday's piece':
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/4/3290879...
Yeah, that's on 3 pointers. I didn't realize you were referring to 3 pointers. By their reasoning, the break even point for 2 pointers would be 47%.
so can we go with this? can we roll with 32/47?
Yeah, that's breaking even, or what you'd expect from an adequate but not great player.
dk7th wrote:he's a legitimate 2-way player.he averaged 5 assists per game in the playoffs and his ratio of usage to ast is astonishingly good, at 1.00:1.00. this means he is an ultimate team player. also 7-8 rebounds, wow
i love this kid's game. worth every penny and he is going to get better, especially if scoring efficiency goes up... then he's a top ten player in this league.
I AGREE, the type of guy you can plug in any situation and any team and make them better.. don't have to worry about who plays well with him, or who he plays well with.. the kid is versatile,talented and a legit two way player... a game changer on the defensive end as well..
Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:i think it takes something like 36% shooting from three to break even
Breaking even would mean shooting the same percentage as your opponent, wouldn't it? In a simplified game with no 3s and no FTs, if you both shoot 40 for 100, you're even.
it's just that this 36% figure, this is cited somewhere on the internet as the break even point
I'd have to see an explanation of that. It doesn't sound right.
here we go, a brief mention:
You may remember from Tuesday's piece that the "break-even" percentage on three-pointers compared to two-pointers on a league scale is 32 percent. That is, shooting 32 percent on three-pointers is better than shooting league average (47 percent) on twos.
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/5/3293457...
'tuesday's piece':
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/9/4/3290879...
Yeah, that's on 3 pointers. I didn't realize you were referring to 3 pointers. By their reasoning, the break even point for 2 pointers would be 47%.
so can we go with this? can we roll with 32/47?
Yeah, that's breaking even, or what you'd expect from an adequate but not great player.
so if a guy is dropping treys at 33%, can i say that he is a good three point shooter? what other things would you consider?
Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.
FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?
for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..
tkf wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.
FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?
for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..
only a slight disagreement TK. I think if we switched him for Melo, his shots would go up and his percentage would likely drop. Just saying :)
DurzoBlint wrote:tkf wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:I don't get how these scrubs are raking in the big bucks. Less than 42% shooting is all I need to know to not give any player big contracts.
FG% is all you need to know? What does that say about Melo's .417 career post-season FG% then?
for real.. LOl.. but while I would like to see George improve his FG% the guy is only taking 14 shots per game, not 21, so I can deal with that.. what I like is his rebounding, assist and most of all his elite level defense.. put that whole package together and you can live with his few flaws..
only a slight disagreement TK. I think if we switched him for Melo, his shots would go up and his percentage would likely drop. Just saying :)
Or his shots would stay the same and other players would get slightly more. It's not like you need a guy taking 21 shots a game and him taking only 14 would be a problem.
I am not sold on George as the next big thing and he needs to duplicate his other numbers besides Fg %. If he does it again and improve his shooting. So far ever year his shooting numbers has gone down as his usage goes up
yellowboy90 wrote:I am not sold on George as the next big thing and he needs to duplicate his other numbers besides Fg %. If he does it again and improve his shooting. So far ever year his shooting numbers has gone down as his usage goes up
Actually nothing really changed much from year 2 to 3 except his minutes and usage went up (which will make the FG% slightly drop). His rebounding was still at around 7 per 36 min, his assist to ratio was about the same although both numbers went up due to increased usage, his steals were about 2 per 36 min, blocks about .7 per 36 min. It's fair to expect him to, at worst, be an inefficient scorer who is very good (but not great) in all other facets of the game. That's what he's always been. I think that's worth closer to $12 than $16 mil per but they're betting that he'll improve, and he might. It's probably slight overpaying.
