I really dont think Grunwald is as hurt as you guys are.
knickscity wrote:I really dont think Grunwald is as hurt as you guys are.
Since it seems like Grunwald didn't quit or re-sign but was asked demoted, then he at least would be receiving his full contract salary. Not that this matters to Dolan, but it does give Grunny and his family some financial security. I think Grunwald will get signed by another team was he is let go by Dolan.
Yes, because he's getting paid, and now it's over and done with. Our allegiance stands, and this makes cracks in it. I don't just feel bad because of Grunwald, I feel bad because I saw a dash of hope, but that's been destroyed because if the owner can make this kind of a decision for no apparent, obvious basketball reason, then what are the signs that point to a championship caliber organization?
Bad things happened, losses piled up, and when certain decisions were made and didn't work out, we took solace in the fact that well, they're trying, and it was only the wrong decision because it didn't result in wins and more success than years past. I would like ONE GOOD BASKETBALL REASON as to why it was necessary for Grunwald to step down, because his job performance resulted in more wins and higher ticket prices for this shmuck.
He see's that there's success in the years to come, so now he's going back to making decisions with his black, crummy heart.
I laugh at the same people who were head over heels for Grunwald rationalizing/supporting the Mills hire. Even if it's a 'wait and see' approach. There are certain people who will rationalize any move, even the re-hiring of Isiah if it came down to it. This move is awful on all counts. Nothing good comes of firing your GM for no reason before the season starts to replace him with a moron who hired and harbored morons during his previous tenure here. There is no silver lining here, no bright side. Not with this owner.
Papabear Says
LOL come on guys you see the hand writing on the wall. ZEKE is comming back. Dolan wants to smack Sterns in the face. Dolan is bringing back his friends. That Brooklyn deal that was made with Boston really means that a lot of people will be watching the Nets games. I probably will be watching the games but hoping that the NETS loose. My man ZEKE LOL I must say I will pay no attention to the front office. I will just enjoy the games.
holfresh wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:This was a bit shocking earlier to be honest..But on further inspection, SAS is saying H20 is the guy who does the leg work on the phones...Ian Begley is saying this is huge for Houston because he will be the personnel guy? or play a bigger role in personnel decisions?...If this is a move to give Houston the rudder per se, going into the season where Melo's and Woody's deals come to an end, if Houston is the de facto guy, let's see...
Stephen a only brought up h20 after I tweets him. He was under the impression that mills is a well respected GM
Did you also tweet two other beat writers who brought up H20's name??
No that was out there a good hour or so before Stephen caught on
I'm gonna reserve judgment until I see what this is really all about. How things fully shake out. It's strange to be sure, but I can't say if this is good or bad at this point. Who knows what this means? If H2O moves up isn't that kind of a possible good development? Maybe this just makes it easier to fire Woodson if they have to. I just don't know what to think. Dolan is an enigma.
There was a lot of fire woodson spewed all over the radio after the embarrassment that was the Indiana series. I'm sure that is one of the major factors. When the media and rest of the league start poking fun at your head coaches shortcomings its not good. Especially with a overly sensitive owner
Here's another theory...
Melo goes to Dolan..."Hey Doles this guy Grunwald, what is he doing here? I'm running out of time. I ain't gettin any younger. Where's my ring(flashes index finger) Lebron has a ring. Why do I get stuck with Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas and Jason Kidd as running mates?"
Nevermind the fact that he forced our hand in coming here from Denver stripping us of every asset and flexibility
Just when I was getting all geeked up for the season and then this. The timing makes no sense. Why would they do this NOW??? I just hate that we can't ever just be like a normal franchise.
the knicks are surely even more bound to underachieve, unravel, and implode now. just fascinating.
John Gabriel and Mark Winkydink make for a deep GM type core.
Mills didn't hire Isiah, Dolan did.
Zeke is not coming back, why?
Cuz he never really left!!!
dk7th wrote:the knicks are surely even more bound to underachieve, unravel, and implode now. just fascinating.
I don't think I'd go that far but this certainly doesn't seem good.
gunsnewing wrote:Here's another theory...Melo goes to Dolan..."Hey Doles this guy Grunwald, what is he doing here? I'm running out of time. I ain't gettin any younger. Where's my ring(flashes index finger) Lebron has a ring. Why do I get stuck with Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas and Jason Kidd as running mates?"
Nevermind the fact that he forced our hand in coming here from Denver stripping us of every asset and flexibility
I was just waiting for someone to ridiculously and ignorantly make this into a Carmelo Anthony thing. Was only a matter of time. Here we go....
This is a lot bigger than Melo alone
Who knows what this means? Who can say if this is gonna end up good or bad? Right now it's just confusing more than anything. I want to know why it was necessary to basically fire Grunwald? I thought he was doing the bidding of Dolan, so why would he be demoted? Perhaps the moves they're been making haven't really been directed by Dolan/Isiah as much as we thought or maybe this is a move away from Isiah and his cronies. Maybe Dolan is moving towards Mills to clear the way for Houston.
nixluva wrote:Who knows what this means? Who can say if this is gonna end up good or bad? Right now it's just confusing more than anything. I want to know why it was necessary to basically fire Grunwald? I thought he was doing the bidding of Dolan, so why would he be demoted? Perhaps the moves they're been making haven't really been directed by Dolan/Isiah as much as we thought or maybe this is a move away from Isiah and his cronies. Maybe Dolan is moving towards Mills to clear the way for Houston.
Well, you're here trying to rationalize and apologize already. Can't say I'm not surprised. The Knicks can hire back Isiah Thomas as GM and you would try and spin it in some way.
Allan Houston has proven nothing at all that tells us that he will be a good GM. Being a good guy and a good former player doesn't qualify him.
JamesKPolk wrote:nixluva wrote:Who knows what this means? Who can say if this is gonna end up good or bad? Right now it's just confusing more than anything. I want to know why it was necessary to basically fire Grunwald? I thought he was doing the bidding of Dolan, so why would he be demoted? Perhaps the moves they're been making haven't really been directed by Dolan/Isiah as much as we thought or maybe this is a move away from Isiah and his cronies. Maybe Dolan is moving towards Mills to clear the way for Houston.
Well, you're here trying to rationalize and apologize already. Can't say I'm not surprised. The Knicks can hire back Isiah Thomas as GM and you would try and spin it in some way.
Allan Houston has proven nothing at all that tells us that he will be a good GM. Being a good guy and a good former player doesn't qualify him.
Dude...you seriously need to chill.
The mature thing to do IS to take the wait and see approach. We can huff and puff all we went but thats not going to change anything. Whether we like it or not, Steve Mills is back and all we can really do is hope that things will be different this time around.
nixluva wrote:Who knows what this means? Who can say if this is gonna end up good or bad? Right now it's just confusing more than anything. I want to know why it was necessary to basically fire Grunwald? I thought he was doing the bidding of Dolan, so why would he be demoted? Perhaps the moves they're been making haven't really been directed by Dolan/Isiah as much as we thought or maybe this is a move away from Isiah and his cronies. Maybe Dolan is moving towards Mills to clear the way for Houston.
I think Grunwald was quietly building a team as sensibly as he could. Not sure why he was let go or why a guy that was far from successful was brought back. I don't want to speculate about why it happened but I fear that it has to do with the Nets and their f u to the cap this year and throwing away of the future. I really hope the team isn't back to a flavor of the month gm that destroys the cap and franchise for the long term future. This move makes no sense from a business or basketball prospective.
This organization is such an embarrassment. The timing of this is completely insane. And we're bringing in a guy with a terrible track record with player personnel experience. And I found this on Posting and Toasting:
Browne Sanders wept on the witness stand when she recalled telling Steve Mills, the president of MSG Sports, about Gonsalves and Marbury. The Marbury sex tale is not central to Browne Sanders’s case against Thomas and Dolan. But it is being used to show what does and does not happen when employees complain about sexual harassment at the Garden. Browne Sanders has accused Thomas of verbally, then sexually, harassing her during the two years they worked together; she said that she repeatedly told Mills to intervene but that he never did.
She also testified that in late 2005, after complaining to Mills that Thomas had poisoned her work environment, he warned her against persisting with her harassment claims. “Steve said Isiah’s going to start a rumor about you having an affair with Jeff Nix” —a Knicks assistant general manager at the time — "and I said, ‘Is this a threat?’ "She said that Mills dissuaded her from hiring a lawyer.
It's disgusting.
