Worked hard on his J and weight training in off season. God job Tyson.
He really needed to work with Hakeem, or kareem.. not work on no jump shot.
That's what you wanted him at Briggs or was that RonRon.
yellowboy90 wrote:That's what you wanted him at Briggs or was that RonRon.
Yeah he kind of followed the smart path for himself. The coach will have to watch his minutes--he needs to stay down at 26-27 where he was with Dallas.
We need to play 10 guys Bargnani is going to need to shift to 5 at times and probably Martin and Aldrich will get minutes there.
I doubt he'll play so little minutes but 28-29 would be great.
knicks1248 wrote:He really needed to work with Hakeem, or kareem.. not work on no jump shot.
There's nothing wrong with Tyson keeping it simple. He already was able to shoot the mid range jumper. He just lacked the confidence in taking it during a game. The Jump Hook is one of the most basic and easy to learn post shots. The Hakeem stuff is advanced. If you think he could just pick that up you don't understand or respect how hard it is. Amar'e already had the ability to make those kinds of moves. Tyson does not.
This is getting old. He gained weight doing bicep curls 1/4 depth squats? This is ridiculous.
Still chicken legs and still going to get muscled by Hibbert.
BRIGGS wrote:Worked hard on his J and weight training in off season. God job Tyson.
As long as he's been in the league especially coming from high school he should have developed that 5-8 years ago.
If he can stick it is completely awesome. At the same time the most basic thing to do in basketball is shooting. What the hell does the guy practice in the off season? His curls in the squat rack?
knicks1248 wrote:He really needed to work with Hakeem, or kareem.. not work on no jump shot.
Doesn't Hakeem work for the Rockets now?
I'm skeptical that being a great player makes you a great teacher anyway.
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He really needed to work with Hakeem, or kareem.. not work on no jump shot.
Doesn't Hakeem work for the Rockets now?
I'm skeptical that being a great player makes you a great teacher anyway.
I think he does have a more formal role, but I still believe he was running his camp as normal.
As far as being a great teacher - he has taught both Lebron and Kobe- and I think both players say they improved as a result.
He should have, nobody wants to be pushed around and knocked down on national TV and then face the people who love you and respect you. And Felton lost weight so that he could run the team the way he's supposed to, no more super size portions for him before and during the season.
Those two are the REAL leaders of the team and by making off season conditioning changes speaks volumes.
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He really needed to work with Hakeem, or kareem.. not work on no jump shot.
Doesn't Hakeem work for the Rockets now?
I'm skeptical that being a great player makes you a great teacher anyway.
Sometimes best chess teachers are not so good players, this is how world works
Leadership is not complaining every call with the refs like a school girl that lost her favorite lip gloss.
Ray and Chandler both do that. Leaders don't lead the complain train. They rally the troops to refocus and Play the game
franco12 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He really needed to work with Hakeem, or kareem.. not work on no jump shot.
Doesn't Hakeem work for the Rockets now?
I'm skeptical that being a great player makes you a great teacher anyway.
I think he does have a more formal role, but I still believe he was running his camp as normal.
As far as being a great teacher - he has taught both Lebron and Kobe- and I think both players say they improved as a result.
You're talking about LeBron and Kobe though. Tyson seems to have little to no NBA low post skills. The guy can learn skills but if he has to start from scratch, what is Hakeem going to do for him in a very short Summer camp? He is teaching guys who are already up there... Or have a baseline.
I am perfectly fine with him primarily working on his J' and his strength conditioning.
EnySpree wrote:Leadership is not complaining every call with the refs like a school girl that lost her favorite lip gloss. [b]Ray and Chandler both do that. Leaders don't lead the complain train. They rally the troops to refocus and Play the game[/b]
You're 100% right there. It was sickening to watch that almost every game last year and hopefully Artest (I know it seems crazy) will bring some accountibility in terms of just playing hard.
I cannot see Tyson playing the limited minutes suggested (28/29) simply because he will be needed against the bigger teams - Indy, BK, Chi, Det, Clev, etc... (and that's just the East)
If Aldrich is kept, that extra 20 min at C, most likely spent between he and KMart, is not realisitic because of whoever is complimenting them at the 4 will likely need alot of help - whether it's Melo, Artest, Amar'e or Bargs. KMart is a great defender, but can anyone really see him battling Andre Drummond and leaving to help whoever is on Monroe/JSmith with great success? Would love to be wrong here, but I just think about what David West did last year and cringe.
This is why I see Chandler having to continue to play heavy minutes, otherwise most games will turn into a nightmare on the boards and pts in the paint.
what i find amazing is his math...
'Chandler, who described the experience as “very frustrating,” said he packed an additional 15 to 20 pounds onto his 7-foot-1 frame this summer. (He weighs 253 pounds, he said, after spending most of last season at 240.)'
IronWillGiroud wrote:This is getting old. He gained weight doing bicep curls 1/4 depth squats? This is ridiculous.Still chicken legs and still going to get muscled by Hibbert.
Can we stop with the revisionist history. I know Hibbert is the flavor of the month since the refs changed the way the game is called to cater for him in the playoffs, but Tyson has always been able to handle him in the regular season, when not ill and broken down.
Tyson vs Hibbert 2012-13:
Tyson- 12.7pts 11.7 reb
The Mighty Hibbert- 5.5ps 6.3rebs
Tyson vs Hibbert 2011-12:
Tyson- 12pts 10rebs
The Mighty Hibbert- 12.7pts 6rebs
But of course in true knick fan style, just focus on when Tyson played at his worst, ignore the context, and pretend that that is all he is capable of being...
sealy wrote:EnySpree wrote:Leadership is not complaining every call with the refs like a school girl that lost her favorite lip gloss. [b]Ray and Chandler both do that. Leaders don't lead the complain train. They rally the troops to refocus and Play the game[/b]
You're 100% right there. It was sickening to watch that almost every game last year and hopefully Artest (I know it seems crazy) will bring some accountibility in terms of just playing hard.
I cannot see Tyson playing the limited minutes suggested (28/29) simply because he will be needed against the bigger teams - Indy, BK, Chi, Det, Clev, etc... (and that's just the East)
If Aldrich is kept, that extra 20 min at C, most likely spent between he and KMart, is not realisitic because of whoever is complimenting them at the 4 will likely need alot of help - whether it's Melo, Artest, Amar'e or Bargs. KMart is a great defender, but can anyone really see him battling Andre Drummond and leaving to help whoever is on Monroe/JSmith with great success? Would love to be wrong here, but I just think about what David West did last year and cringe.
This is why I see Chandler having to continue to play heavy minutes, otherwise most games will turn into a nightmare on the boards and pts in the paint.
Dallas won a championship playing Tyson 27 minutes.
The guy is 31 years old and his body cannot handle 82 games 33+ minutes then playoffs. Its more like 75 games 27-28 minutes avg and then move the load up in the playoffs to 32-34. Just like we cant rely on Carmelo to cover the offensive load the distribution of rebounds must be there as well. Anthony will get his its up to Bargs Martin Aldrich Artest Shumpert Smith and PGs to get theirs.
BRIGGS wrote:sealy wrote:EnySpree wrote:Leadership is not complaining every call with the refs like a school girl that lost her favorite lip gloss. [b]Ray and Chandler both do that. Leaders don't lead the complain train. They rally the troops to refocus and Play the game[/b]
You're 100% right there. It was sickening to watch that almost every game last year and hopefully Artest (I know it seems crazy) will bring some accountibility in terms of just playing hard.
I cannot see Tyson playing the limited minutes suggested (28/29) simply because he will be needed against the bigger teams - Indy, BK, Chi, Det, Clev, etc... (and that's just the East)
If Aldrich is kept, that extra 20 min at C, most likely spent between he and KMart, is not realisitic because of whoever is complimenting them at the 4 will likely need alot of help - whether it's Melo, Artest, Amar'e or Bargs. KMart is a great defender, but can anyone really see him battling Andre Drummond and leaving to help whoever is on Monroe/JSmith with great success? Would love to be wrong here, but I just think about what David West did last year and cringe.
This is why I see Chandler having to continue to play heavy minutes, otherwise most games will turn into a nightmare on the boards and pts in the paint.
Dallas won a championship playing Tyson 27 minutes.
The guy is 31 years old and his body cannot handle 82 games 33+ minutes then playoffs. Its more like 75 games 27-28 minutes avg and then move the load up in the playoffs to 32-34. Just like we cant rely on Carmelo to cover the offensive load the distribution of rebounds must be there as well. Anthony will get his its up to Bargs Martin Aldrich Artest Shumpert Smith and PGs to get theirs.
I agree, we need to limit his mins, but as of now we have no back up C on the roster!
smackeddog wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:This is getting old. He gained weight doing bicep curls 1/4 depth squats? This is ridiculous.Still chicken legs and still going to get muscled by Hibbert.
Can we stop with the revisionist history. I know Hibbert is the flavor of the month since the refs changed the way the game is called to cater for him in the playoffs, but Tyson has always been able to handle him in the regular season, when not ill and broken down.
Tyson vs Hibbert 2012-13:
Tyson- 12.7pts 11.7 reb
The Mighty Hibbert- 5.5ps 6.3rebs
Tyson vs Hibbert 2011-12:
Tyson- 12pts 10rebs
The Mighty Hibbert- 12.7pts 6rebs
But of course in true knick fan style, just focus on when Tyson played at his worst, ignore the context, and pretend that that is all he is capable of being...
You didn't watch the playoffs last year.
Tyson walked out of Indy in a miniskirt
Tyson was terrible in the playoffs last year. I think anyone with eyes agrees with that. Was that because he was hurt? I assume so. Smack's stat lines are pretty compelling. As is the fact that he was the DPOY just a year earlier and made the Knicks jump from atrocious defensively to middle of the pack.
So, the big questions are: is he healthy now? And if so, can he stay healthy?
Normally, I'd expect the Tyson/Hibbert match-up to be pretty even. Tyson's more athletic, moves better. Hibbert is bigger and stronger and has some low-post moves.
Apart from that, I don't really want Tyson shooting more than 1 or 2 jumpers a game. I'm perfectly happy with him shooting layups, follow-ups and alley-oop dunks and scoring 12 ppg on 65% shooting. Incredibly efficient. We have plenty of other options to run our sets for. I don't know why everyone is so fixated on his offensive deficiencies. I like a player who knows what he does well and sticks to that, particularly when they're really good at what they do well.
IronWillGiroud wrote:smackeddog wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:This is getting old. He gained weight doing bicep curls 1/4 depth squats? This is ridiculous.Still chicken legs and still going to get muscled by Hibbert.
Can we stop with the revisionist history. I know Hibbert is the flavor of the month since the refs changed the way the game is called to cater for him in the playoffs, but Tyson has always been able to handle him in the regular season, when not ill and broken down.
Tyson vs Hibbert 2012-13:
Tyson- 12.7pts 11.7 reb
The Mighty Hibbert- 5.5ps 6.3rebs
Tyson vs Hibbert 2011-12:
Tyson- 12pts 10rebs
The Mighty Hibbert- 12.7pts 6rebs
But of course in true knick fan style, just focus on when Tyson played at his worst, ignore the context, and pretend that that is all he is capable of being...
You didn't watch the playoffs last year.
Tyson walked out of Indy in a miniskirt
