then why is woodson not having an open point guard competition? do we really want a two-guard lineup if there's a guy who doesn't need "help" orchestrating? don't we want shumpert starting as the shooting guard if only for defense?
last year during the playoffs i kept hearing the same statement: the key player for the knicks is felton and the knicks can go only so far as felton can take them.
we have been hearing that woodson is set on melo and tyson and felton with other players tbd. is this not sheer stupidity here? what about giving prigioni or udrih a shot at running the team or have an open competition?!?
It will fail miserably and a change will be made. The east is drastically better and our difficiences will be exposed a lot sooner this year. Last yr Kidd got off to a great start. He is gone
I understand why woody feels this way, but I do agree with the open comp idea.
The only issue is Pablo is 36 and probably can't run the team for 30 mins as a ft starter, although I do think he shares that backcourt with felton some as a starter.
Beno probably could run it himself, he has the experience.
Those guys just arent clear full-time upgrades....that would be my reasoning but I doubt thats Woody's reasoning.
Felton and Beno should split time at point. In Hine sight I would have never signed priggy if I knew we'd get Beno and Murry.
Also if we knew cdr was it there I would have let jr walk.
That's life. Knicks are still better than last year based on health and age. We should be faster and more skilful. The talent has improved just as muchas any team in the league
dk7th wrote:then why is woodson not having an open point guard competition? do we really want a two-guard lineup if there's a guy who doesn't need "help" orchestrating? don't we want shumpert starting as the shooting guard if only for defense?last year during the playoffs i kept hearing the same statement: the key player for the knicks is felton and the knicks can go only so far as felton can take them.
we have been hearing that woodson is set on melo and tyson and felton with other players tbd. is this not sheer stupidity here? what about giving prigioni or udrih a shot at running the team or have an open competition?!?
What it actually means is that Felton is an unknown quantity...He can take his game to the next level while the other point guards you mention cannot...Felton isn't consistent...If he was, he wouldn't be a Knick...Felton was the MVP of the Boston series but disappeared against Indy...Prigs or Beno isn't that type of player..
But the same can be said about JR and Shump to some extent...When JR is on, the Knicks are a different team...If Shump steps up, the Knicks can be a different team...
Felton was arguably the MVP of the celtics series but only because his shot was falling. Which happens to be his m.o. Like JR he is very inconsistent and streaky. Without Pablo on the floor the offense was stagnant even against Boston because all Felton can do is dump the ball into Melo and the occasional alley oop. He is not a playmaker and makes bad decisions most of the time
*Needs more opening game reading ritual*
gunsnewing wrote:It will fail miserably and a change will be made. The east is drastically better and our difficiences will be exposed a lot sooner this year. Last yr Kidd got off to a great start. He is gone
I said it before.. kidds great start really helped the knicks more than given credit for.. early on I had him as the knicks MVP.. that will be sorely missed this season..
EnySpree wrote:Felton and Beno should split time at point. In Hine sight I would have never signed priggy if I knew we'd get Beno and Murry.Also if we knew cdr was it there I would have let jr walk.
That's life. Knicks are still better than last year based on health and age. We should be faster and more skilful. The talent has improved just as muchas any team in the league
really? as much as lets say denver? Houston? Nets? chicago? indy? come on man... you can't believe that..
tkf wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It will fail miserably and a change will be made. The east is drastically better and our difficiences will be exposed a lot sooner this year. Last yr Kidd got off to a great start. He is gone
I said it before.. kidds great start really helped the knicks more than given credit for.. early on I had him as the knicks MVP.. that will be sorely missed this season..
Agreed. Excluding that stretch, this was more like a .550 team.
tkf wrote:EnySpree wrote:Felton and Beno should split time at point. In Hine sight I would have never signed priggy if I knew we'd get Beno and Murry.Also if we knew cdr was it there I would have let jr walk.
That's life. Knicks are still better than last year based on health and age. We should be faster and more skilful. The talent has improved just as muchas any team in the league
really? as much as lets say denver? Houston? Nets? chicago? indy? come on man... you can't believe that..
Denver? They lost Iggy for nothing. Gallo is gone for a couple of months. Karl and Ujiri are gone. Big Darrell Arthur fan? There is other stuff to comment on but Denver? Where is that coming from.
tkf wrote:EnySpree wrote:Felton and Beno should split time at point. In Hine sight I would have never signed priggy if I knew we'd get Beno and Murry.Also if we knew cdr was it there I would have let jr walk.
That's life. Knicks are still better than last year based on health and age. We should be faster and more skilful. The talent has improved just as muchas any team in the league
really? as much as lets say denver? Houston? Nets? chicago? indy? come on man... you can't believe that..
Knicks were #2 seed last year and all they did was add to the talent base by improving on the players they lost. Knicks are adding quite a few more players and they all are a step up from what we had last year in their positions.
Players lost - Possibly added:
Novak - Bargnani
Copeland - MWP
Kidd - Udrih
White - THJ
Sheed - Tyler
Quentin - Leslie
Camby - Aldrich (?)
That's a very good level of improvement over the cast from last year. More talent and youth over last year. I think it doesn't have the sexy names but the impact could be just as effective. This team had a bench full of guys that couldn't really produce at the level needed to win a title. I think this group has more production in it. This new group just has more players that can contribute. I hope the rest of the East takes the Knicks as lightly as some fans here are taking them.
Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It will fail miserably and a change will be made. The east is drastically better and our difficiences will be exposed a lot sooner this year. Last yr Kidd got off to a great start. He is gone
I said it before.. kidds great start really helped the knicks more than given credit for.. early on I had him as the knicks MVP.. that will be sorely missed this season..
Agreed. Excluding that stretch, this was more like a .550 team.
You guys always say it's a team game and now you want to chalk up an entire stretch of 20+ games of strong basketball to one 40 year old Jason Kidd. Oh the hypocrisy of it all. Everything is only true when it suits the agenda, I see.
Dagger wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It will fail miserably and a change will be made. The east is drastically better and our difficiences will be exposed a lot sooner this year. Last yr Kidd got off to a great start. He is gone
I said it before.. kidds great start really helped the knicks more than given credit for.. early on I had him as the knicks MVP.. that will be sorely missed this season..
Agreed. Excluding that stretch, this was more like a .550 team.
You guys always say it's a team game and now you want to chalk up an entire stretch of 20+ games of strong basketball to one 40 year old Jason Kidd. Oh the hypocrisy of it all. Everything is only true when it suits the agenda, I see.
he was the main reason they played AS a team! his influence was infectious and created synergy. please
dk7th wrote:Dagger wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It will fail miserably and a change will be made. The east is drastically better and our difficiences will be exposed a lot sooner this year. Last yr Kidd got off to a great start. He is gone
I said it before.. kidds great start really helped the knicks more than given credit for.. early on I had him as the knicks MVP.. that will be sorely missed this season..
Agreed. Excluding that stretch, this was more like a .550 team.
You guys always say it's a team game and now you want to chalk up an entire stretch of 20+ games of strong basketball to one 40 year old Jason Kidd. Oh the hypocrisy of it all. Everything is only true when it suits the agenda, I see.
he was the main reason they played AS a team! his influence was infectious and created synergy. please
He was influential, but he wasn't the savior you're making him out to be. The intangibles Kidd gave us last year can be replaced by any leader, and it would actually be difficult to find someone that wouldn't quintuple his playoff production. If Kidd was on the team this year you would not be singing the same tune, you'd talk about how he's old and broken down, which he was. What magic do you think he worked. Carmelo Anthony couldn't give a shit what Kidd had to say after the first 5 games. Anything he said otherwise was just pandering to the media.
The three ball was falling early in the season, ball movement became infectious and Kidd got the credit..Ronnie Brewer looked like a steal..When the threes stop falling and everyone looked to Melo to bail them out, Felton got the blame..Even Kidd was gun shy when his threes wasn't falling during a course of the season ...The team looked most lost after Felton"s hand injury when he sat..People were calling for Woodson's head..We have the same arguments over and over and over, the facts remain the same...
The Knicks were lost without Felton last year...Lost..The Knicks will go as far as Felton takes them..
Knicks were 2nd seed because of prigioni. They were in a major free fall for a majority of the season until Woodson FINALLY inserted Prigioni to run the team like an actual PG
gunsnewing wrote:Knicks were 2nd seed because of prigioni. They were in a major free fall for a majority of the season until Woodson FINALLY inserted Prigioni to run the team like an actual PG
And he have Pablo on the roster this year, so what's the problem? Woody knows better than to bench him the whole game now.
Prigioni is solid, but at his age I don't think he has the gas to go for more than 15 minutes a game. I just wish he would realize that he's a better scorer than he thinks he is. Obviously what's important is his distributing, it just kills me when he's wide open for for a lay-up and he passes it back out (the quintessential Chris Duhon move).
LOL, I thought we were in a free fall because Melo's slump. Some of you guys just make the story up as you go.
This team has many good parts, I don't want to hear this "only as far as x player can take them".
With that being said, my person of interest this year is Iman. I really want to see this kid take the reigns and let loose. Carmelo really needs to step back a little, he has plenty of guys that can compete. It doesn't have to be the JR/Melo chuck show. These aren't the AARP members we had last year. Also, Beno intrigues me, because he's a player that can create scoring opportunities for another player directly, something Kidd and Prigioni couldn't do because they don't have the speed, and Felton can't because he plays pg with binders on. Beno can break down a defense, and deliver nice direct passes to a player who is in position to score immediately, rather than pass it to someone who passes it to someone who passes it to someone to shoot a three.
Beno, Felton, Artest, Shumpert, Bargnani, Smith are all capable players who can score off of team work, their own iso's and ball movement as well. It would be nice to see Melo stand in the background once in a while and let these guys work.
Ray Felton is one man. We have 13 new faces in camp
