Knicks · Woody already waving white flag on championship (page 2)

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:You realize that him saying we're going to win a championship or not saying it, doesn't actually alter reality.

you don't see how it 'alters reality'?

o rly?

Papabear Says

Look no one knows whos gonna win the east. I think Woody said the smart thing. No need to say something so that the Nets and Bulls can hang on their locker door. Just let the Knicks show what they can do on the floor. Look what happened last season when they came wearing black. An injured dog is most viscous and the Celtics came out fighting. I think Woody was smart just being low key. Be smart play the game , win the game , shake hands with your opponents , smile and go home.

Smart thing would have been to say nothing!!!!

But I dont know context of quote

Very few coaches would say "nothing". I think he handled it right. What could be gained from saying to the MEDIA that they expect to win a title? I'm pretty sure in private that the team does feel it can win a title and has that as the goal. It really doesn't matter much.

nixluva wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:You realize that him saying we're going to win a championship or not saying it, doesn't actually alter reality.

you don't see how it 'alters reality'?

o rly?

Papabear Says

Look no one knows whos gonna win the east. I think Woody said the smart thing. No need to say something so that the Nets and Bulls can hang on their locker door. Just let the Knicks show what they can do on the floor. Look what happened last season when they came wearing black. An injured dog is most viscous and the Celtics came out fighting. I think Woody was smart just being low key. Be smart play the game , win the game , shake hands with your opponents , smile and go home.

Smart thing would have been to say nothing!!!!

But I dont know context of quote

Very few coaches would say "nothing". I think he handled it right. What could be gained from saying to the MEDIA that they expect to win a title? I'm pretty sure in private that the team does feel it can win a title and has that as the goal. It really doesn't matter much.

There are infinite number of ways to say nothing,

I am not suggesting he stay silent

Vmart wrote:Woody's a good regular season coach but I feel his statements let the air out of the team. Last year all we heard was championship talk and the Knicks were displaying championship aspiration in their play. Knicks lose two games and Woody goes on record that were just trying to win our division. What happened to Championship and getting the best record. The team has the pedal to the metal and Woody pulls the emergency brakes with his statements. If you give the players a chance to be let off the hook they will take it every time. The scariest part of last year was once the Knicks met their coaches goal of division title after that what were you going to get from the team. Poor player performance poor coaching. That is exactly what we saw in the playoffs.

It's like a sales meeting. The boss never puts up numbers that are attainable. I don't understand Woody logic in this instance.

While I don't think Woody needed to guarantee a championship, I absolutely agree. It is basic psychology that you set the bar higher than a minimum goal like winning the division if you want to succeed. The moment the team feels they've fulfilled their goal is the moment the team is doomed.

Vmart wrote:Last year Knicks were all in on championship talk and then Woody let everyone off the hook by talking about division title lowering expectations. This year's expectations are even lower. I Don't understand Woody's need to say what he does, sometimes it's best to let the team play it out. When your coach doesn't believe in the team as a Championship contender what kind of precedence does that set for the team.

i am fine with a coach setting ecf as a goal. lookit he got slapped a bit in round 1-- that wearing black gimmick was straight up retarded and players should have been disciplined. then he got summarily spanked in round two.

the key is to set realistic expectations and goals based on respect for the competition. respect is key and if properly engendered creates focus, purpose, and proper preparation. better respect than conceit.

CrushAlot wrote:Didn't he say his goal was to make the conference finals and then from there the Knicks had a chance at going all the way? Seems a little disingenuous to call a guy out for setting a realistic goal when you spend most of your time posting that the Knicks can't win the championship and that the coach is all about the regular season and gimmicks.

This.

So called "realistic" Knicks fans don't even put this team on the list of championship contenders, but they talk noonsense like you pointed out.

And JR gets blasted for guaranteeing a championship.................to a bunch of kids. Hmm...maybe he was putting positive energy and thoughts out in the universe, because that's what the laws of attraction state, right? Or maybe he's just a wacko...make up your minds.

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Doesn't sound like a coach who is confident.

"I think that’s a major challenge for our ballclub. Because I know if we do that, we’ll host first round at home and perhaps second round if we’re able to get back to the second seed. That’s the big picture, man. And I’m not selling it less than that."

Woody seems to be reducing expectations for the Knicks.

Vmart wrote:“Last season was a learning curve, getting into the second round. We’re trying to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. That’s what it’s all about and maybe getting to The Finals.’’

Doesn't sound like a coach who is confident.

"I think that’s a major challenge for our ballclub. Because I know if we do that, we’ll host first round at home and perhaps second round if we’re able to get back to the second seed. That’s the big picture, man. And I’m not selling it less than that."

Woody seems to be reducing expectations for the Knicks.

Vmart wrote:“Last season was a learning curve, getting into the second round. We’re trying to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. That’s what it’s all about and maybe getting to The Finals.’’

Doesn't sound like a coach who is confident.

"I think that’s a major challenge for our ballclub. Because I know if we do that, we’ll host first round at home and perhaps second round if we’re able to get back to the second seed. That’s the big picture, man. And I’m not selling it less than that."

Woody seems to be reducing expectations for the Knicks.

I think Home court is a little overrated, didn't do anything for us last season, and how many times does a A #1 seed actually make it to the finals..not many

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:“Last season was a learning curve, getting into the second round. We’re trying to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. That’s what it’s all about and maybe getting to The Finals.’’

Doesn't sound like a coach who is confident.

"I think that’s a major challenge for our ballclub. Because I know if we do that, we’ll host first round at home and perhaps second round if we’re able to get back to the second seed. That’s the big picture, man. And I’m not selling it less than that."

Woody seems to be reducing expectations for the Knicks.

I think Home court is a little overrated, didn't do anything for us last season, and how many times does a A #1 seed actually make it to the finals..not many

I don't think it's overrated if you're team is good enough to get the #1 seed it does indicate your team has played well, but everything is relative. Maybe your the best of a bad bunch. Maybe a better team just had injuries and gets healthy at the right time. Maybe you drained every last ounce of energy just to get the top seed and have very little left for a strong playoff run. It just not a simple equation. Still I would like to see this team playing great BB and at the same time make sure to save some for the playoffs. I believe Woody realizes how important it is to be strong for the playoffs verses going hard in the regular season and gassing out before the playoffs. It's all about timing and planning.

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

TeamBall wrote:

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

I wished JR would have taken more instead of that step-back brick.

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

Shoot the open shot, if it's a three, why shouldnt they?

I wished JR would have taken more instead of that step-back brick.

JRs step back is here to stay.

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

Shoot the open shot, if it's a three, why shouldnt they?

I wished JR would have taken more instead of that step-back brick.

Im more referring to the period where we began just jacking them up with the shot clock winding down. Granted, we were dealing with some injuries.

JRs step back is here to stay.

My guess is that the team is looking good shooting in camp so far. We still have Hopla and there are some good shooters on the roster. Going with a spread offense works for this team. As long as they add in some variety to the play calling and move the ball I don't really get concerned with quality 3pt shots. Just don't like wild guarded 3pt shooting.

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

Shoot the open shot, if it's a three, why shouldnt they?

I wished JR would have taken more instead of that step-back brick.

Im more referring to the period where we began just jacking them up with the shot clock winding down. Granted, we were dealing with some injuries.

JRs step back is here to stay.

The open three isnt anywhere near my concerns of the club.

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:Woody's a good regular season coach but I feel his statements let the air out of the team. Last year all we heard was championship talk and the Knicks were displaying championship aspiration in their play. Knicks lose two games and Woody goes on record that were just trying to win our division. What happened to Championship and getting the best record. The team has the pedal to the metal and Woody pulls the emergency brakes with his statements. If you give the players a chance to be let off the hook they will take it every time. The scariest part of last year was once the Knicks met their coaches goal of division title after that what were you going to get from the team. Poor player performance poor coaching. That is exactly what we saw in the playoffs.

It's like a sales meeting. The boss never puts up numbers that are attainable. I don't understand Woody logic in this instance.

While I don't think Woody needed to guarantee a championship, I absolutely agree. It is basic psychology that you set the bar higher than a minimum goal like winning the division if you want to succeed. The moment the team feels they've fulfilled their goal is the moment the team is doomed.

The goal for every team is to win a championship every year. No one wants to say we are just gonna throw away the season. Other bad teams who are headed to the lottery plays every game to win. throwing games is cheating and against the rules so you try to win every game and hopefully a championship.

Papabear wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:Woody's a good regular season coach but I feel his statements let the air out of the team. Last year all we heard was championship talk and the Knicks were displaying championship aspiration in their play. Knicks lose two games and Woody goes on record that were just trying to win our division. What happened to Championship and getting the best record. The team has the pedal to the metal and Woody pulls the emergency brakes with his statements. If you give the players a chance to be let off the hook they will take it every time. The scariest part of last year was once the Knicks met their coaches goal of division title after that what were you going to get from the team. Poor player performance poor coaching. That is exactly what we saw in the playoffs.

It's like a sales meeting. The boss never puts up numbers that are attainable. I don't understand Woody logic in this instance.

While I don't think Woody needed to guarantee a championship, I absolutely agree. It is basic psychology that you set the bar higher than a minimum goal like winning the division if you want to succeed. The moment the team feels they've fulfilled their goal is the moment the team is doomed.

Papabear Says

The goal for every team is to win a championship every year. No one wants to say we are just gonna throw away the season. Other bad teams who are headed to the lottery plays every game to win. throwing games is cheating and against the rules so you try to win every game and hopefully a championship.

Some teams are currently just developing players, some hope to make the playoffs, some hope to win it all.

Team goals are determined by their situation.

You think the Bobcats or the Kings have gone into the season recently talking titles?

Teams will definitely be tanking this season.

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

Shoot the open shot, if it's a three, why shouldnt they?

I wished JR would have taken more instead of that step-back brick.

Im more referring to the period where we began just jacking them up with the shot clock winding down. Granted, we were dealing with some injuries.

JRs step back is here to stay.

Your referring to the period of no starting pg, otherwise I'm really not seeing the concern.

The open three isnt anywhere near my concerns of the club.

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

Shoot the open shot, if it's a three, why shouldnt they?

I wished JR would have taken more instead of that step-back brick.

Im more referring to the period where we began just jacking them up with the shot clock winding down. Granted, we were dealing with some injuries.

JRs step back is here to stay.

My guess is that the team is looking good shooting in camp so far. We still have Hopla and there are some good shooters on the roster. Going with a spread offense works for this team. As long as they add in some variety to the play calling and move the ball I don't really get concerned with quality 3pt shots. Just don't like wild guarded 3pt shooting.

Vmart wrote:“Last season was a learning curve, getting into the second round. We’re trying to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. That’s what it’s all about and maybe getting to The Finals.’’

Doesn't sound like a coach who is confident.

"I think that’s a major challenge for our ballclub. Because I know if we do that, we’ll host first round at home and perhaps second round if we’re able to get back to the second seed. That’s the big picture, man. And I’m not selling it less than that."

Woody seems to be reducing expectations for the Knicks.

The Knicks goal is to win a championship. Maybe Woody thinks enough is enough. He knows what he is here for and he is not throwing up a white flag.