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nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH
Papabear Says
Remember what I said ignore them. They want you to feel like them doom and gloom. Hopelessness. That's just how they feel.
Papabear wrote:nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH
Papabear SaysRemember what I said ignore them. They want you to feel like them doom and gloom. Hopelessness. That's just how they feel.
It just never ceases to amaze me. I go thru this with Jets fans too. They just stick to the same old "woah is me" "Jets Suck!" stuff and don't pay attention to the moves the team made to improve the team. The media all said the Jets were 32nd in the league. At some point you have to actually evaluate talent and make a call based on what that talent should be able to do. that doesn't mean you'll be right, but don't base it on long held assumptions and act like some genius if the team fails. Any team can just fail to come together, but if you aren't basing your appraisal on the actual talent and how it should come together and just going with the cliche about a team, then it's not valid.
Last year MOST of the media were wrong about the Knicks and IMO they failed to really evaluate the talent and just marked the Knicks down based on long held assumptions. Phil Jackson says the team is a mess and so it must be true. Media thinks the Nets were gonna be better last year and so it must be true. Until the Knicks get the #2 seed. We could all be wrong and the team could simply misfire, but that wouldn't be based on the talent and makeup of the roster. That would just be an epic fluke that sometimes happens to teams. There's no logical reason to expect failure based on the facts.
nixluva wrote:Papabear wrote:nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH
Papabear SaysRemember what I said ignore them. They want you to feel like them doom and gloom. Hopelessness. That's just how they feel.
It just never ceases to amaze me. I go thru this with Jets fans too. They just stick to the same old "woah is me" "Jets Suck!" stuff and don't pay attention to the moves the team made to improve the team. The media all said the Jets were 32nd in the league. At some point you have to actually evaluate talent and make a call based on what that talent should be able to do. that doesn't mean you'll be right, but don't base it on long held assumptions and act like some genius if the team fails. Any team can just fail to come together, but if you aren't basing your appraisal on the actual talent and how it should come together and just going with the cliche about a team, then it's not valid.
Last year MOST of the media were wrong about the Knicks and IMO they failed to really evaluate the talent and just marked the Knicks down based on long held assumptions. Phil Jackson says the team is a mess and so it must be true. Media thinks the Nets were gonna be better last year and so it must be true. Until the Knicks get the #2 seed. We could all be wrong and the team could simply misfire, but that wouldn't be based on the talent and makeup of the roster. That would just be an epic fluke that sometimes happens to teams. There's no logical reason to expect failure based on the facts.
You can't expect other fans to feel the same way you do. If you expect the Knicks to win a ring and you are ok with being let down again then more power to you. Not me. Not this time
gunsnewing wrote:nixluva wrote:Papabear wrote:nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH
Papabear SaysRemember what I said ignore them. They want you to feel like them doom and gloom. Hopelessness. That's just how they feel.
It just never ceases to amaze me. I go thru this with Jets fans too. They just stick to the same old "woah is me" "Jets Suck!" stuff and don't pay attention to the moves the team made to improve the team. The media all said the Jets were 32nd in the league. At some point you have to actually evaluate talent and make a call based on what that talent should be able to do. that doesn't mean you'll be right, but don't base it on long held assumptions and act like some genius if the team fails. Any team can just fail to come together, but if you aren't basing your appraisal on the actual talent and how it should come together and just going with the cliche about a team, then it's not valid.
Last year MOST of the media were wrong about the Knicks and IMO they failed to really evaluate the talent and just marked the Knicks down based on long held assumptions. Phil Jackson says the team is a mess and so it must be true. Media thinks the Nets were gonna be better last year and so it must be true. Until the Knicks get the #2 seed. We could all be wrong and the team could simply misfire, but that wouldn't be based on the talent and makeup of the roster. That would just be an epic fluke that sometimes happens to teams. There's no logical reason to expect failure based on the facts.
You can't expect other fans to feel the same way you do. If you expect the Knicks to win a ring and you are ok with being let down again then more power to you. Not me. Not this time
Exactly. Nixluva always overrates the Knicks and thinks they'll win 5 to 10 more games than they do. That's fine - that's your right, Nix. But the puzzling part is that you get so astonished when others here don't do the same.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMHtop 8 defense instead of a fool's gold 16th rank.
top 10 assist rank instead of a fool's gold 29th rank.
top 10 rebounding rate instead of a fool's gold 17th rank.these rankings would give me a sense of optimism. even 2 out of 3 would.
but sadly the knick priorities may well lie elsewhere.
Cool. Are you watching games this year or citing box scores when you post?
what makes you think i didn't watch the games? i always admit when i haven't watched so when i use stats and ranking they are used to illuminate what i have witnessed with my own eyes: mediocre defense, absolutely lousy ball sharing, substandard rebounding.
i will watch the first 25 games and see if the knicks are playing better ball. i am pessimistic but as i always say i would love to be proven wrong. if they confirm my pessimism i won't be watching as much as before but will probably focus more on the foolish drama/farce off the court.
i think that is reasonable, don't you?
mattshaw78 wrote:I don't want to be a downer but I think we can't win with Melo.
Well, in the 2 years we've had him, you're the first to express such a view, therefore you must me wrong.
nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH
YOU Act as if the knicks have had great teams over the past 13 years... saying we probably have the best team since then isn't saying much.. I don't buy fools gold... I look at this short term regular season success if you call it that as a brief pitstop on our way to mediocrity over the next few years... I am looking down the road because honestly I don't think this team is close to a championship at all...we are not built to beat miami, we are at a mismatch vs teams like the bulls and the pacers... we did nothing to address that and please don't bring up that soft euro trash bargnani... he is not a solution here.. sorry I don't share this same blind enthusiasm...
try putting yourself in the shoes of another fan from another team, and ask yourself.. Would I look at the knicks as a contender. I guarantee you would say no....
dk7th wrote:nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMHtop 8 defense instead of a fool's gold 16th rank.
top 10 assist rank instead of a fool's gold 29th rank.
top 10 rebounding rate instead of a fool's gold 17th rank.these rankings would give me a sense of optimism. even 2 out of 3 would.
but sadly the knick priorities may well lie elsewhere.
Yea dk, we are lacking in key areas.. I guess some fans are ok with just blindly rooting for a team.. that is fine.. Root for your team however you see fit, but don't judge others who tend to look at things objectively..
I asked this question and never got an answer.. had any other team, the nets, pacers, bulls,ect made the moves we made to get bargnani and beno, would knicks fans feel that those teams were not only better, but championship contenders? I know the honest answer to that one.
nixluva wrote:Papabear wrote:nixluva wrote:I still don't get these self hating Knicks fans. You have literally the best team you've seen from this franchise since the last Finals team and all you can do is take shots at the team! WTF are you guys ever going to be pleased with if you can't get behind this team? All the nitpicking is unbelievable. Team won 54 games and fails to get past the 2nd rd, but improves the roster over the summer and some fans can't see the positives in that. SMH
Papabear SaysRemember what I said ignore them. They want you to feel like them doom and gloom. Hopelessness. That's just how they feel.
It just never ceases to amaze me. I go thru this with Jets fans too. They just stick to the same old "woah is me" "Jets Suck!" stuff and don't pay attention to the moves the team made to improve the team. The media all said the Jets were 32nd in the league. At some point you have to actually evaluate talent and make a call based on what that talent should be able to do. that doesn't mean you'll be right, but don't base it on long held assumptions and act like some genius if the team fails. Any team can just fail to come together, but if you aren't basing your appraisal on the actual talent and how it should come together and just going with the cliche about a team, then it's not valid.
Last year MOST of the media were wrong about the Knicks and IMO they failed to really evaluate the talent and just marked the Knicks down based on long held assumptions. Phil Jackson says the team is a mess and so it must be true. Media thinks the Nets were gonna be better last year and so it must be true. Until the Knicks get the #2 seed. We could all be wrong and the team could simply misfire, but that wouldn't be based on the talent and makeup of the roster. That would just be an epic fluke that sometimes happens to teams. There's no logical reason to expect failure based on the facts.
funny you say that.. I am a diehard jets fan..... and honestly they have reason to be pessimistic... until the jets prove that they are better than predicted.. But here is the difference.. with the jets I and others can actually see things to build upon.. like youth, a young and talented Defensive front that is probably best in the league. A promising young QB... those are things you can build on..
please show me something positive that will lead me to believe the knicks are on the way to actually put themselves in contention for a ring.. and don't you dare mention anything about carmelo or bargnani... those guys are not the answer.. give me some hope? any draft picks? young studs in the wings? competent front office...
Had the jets started mark shanchez I would not be so optimistic about the jets.. believe that..
Last year MOST of the media were wrong about the Knicks and IMO they failed to really evaluate the talent and just marked the Knicks down based on long held assumptions. Phil Jackson says the team is a mess and so it must be true.
how were they wrong? the knicks would have been first round victims had the celts been healthy...and we still struggled with them.. yes we won more regular season games than most predicted.. so if you want to hang your hat on that.. fine.. they don't give out regular season trophies...