I thought that this might be a good idea since I started to drift off on a tangent about my political views in the "Government Shutdown" Thread. I think we all have something to say on the matter and this might be the best solution, in order to focus on that issue.
The proper role is to provide military defense and to enforce basic laws like murder,
Anything more and it's an industry
IronWillGiroud wrote:The proper role is to provide military defense and to enforce basic laws like murder,Anything more and it's an industry
What are considered to be basic laws? What are their objectives? Why is it an industry if it's anything more?
Helping to promote the well-being of its citizens. Countries like Denmark and Sweden have healthy, happy citizens. We should be following their lead.
NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:The proper role is to provide military defense and to enforce basic laws like murder,Anything more and it's an industry
What are considered to be basic laws? What are their objectives? Why is it an industry if it's anything more?
can't steal can't kill,
other than that, do your thing young man!!!!!
Bonn1997 wrote:Helping to promote the well-being of its citizens. Countries like Denmark and Sweden have healthy, happy citizens. We should be following their lead.
they ride bikes in those countries
IronWillGiroud wrote:NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:The proper role is to provide military defense and to enforce basic laws like murder,Anything more and it's an industry
What are considered to be basic laws? What are their objectives? Why is it an industry if it's anything more?
can't steal can't kill,
other than that, do your thing young man!!!!!
if it's anything more, it starts to grow just for the sake of expanding itself, it ceases to function as a government, now it is an animal that wants to eat your food!!!
IronWillGiroud wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:The proper role is to provide military defense and to enforce basic laws like murder,Anything more and it's an industry
What are considered to be basic laws? What are their objectives? Why is it an industry if it's anything more?
can't steal can't kill,
other than that, do your thing young man!!!!!
if it's anything more, it starts to grow just for the sake of expanding itself, it ceases to function as a government, now it is an animal that wants to eat your food!!!
Wow, usually people with your views at least want the government to have a military. I'll give you credit for being an extremist!
There was a reason that our founding fathers were so against the outsized influence of corporations, Lincoln was also a critic. These days the role of govt should be once again as a counterweight to corporate power and influence.
GustavBahler wrote:There was a reason that our founding fathers were so against the outsized influence of corporations, Lincoln was also a critic. These days the role of govt should be once again as a counterweight to corporate power and influence.
Exactly. Everyone preaches about the need for checks and balance in the government but no one acknowledges the same for corporations. They worry me more than any government ever could because in a democracy, there is a degree of accountability; if a politician isn't performing to your liking, you could vote against him. What is the recourse for all-powerful corporations? And let's be honest, from an American perspective, they have been the greatest agitators to the freedoms and well-being of the public. Some seem to forget that there was once a point in time in our nation's history where there was no such thing as a weekend, child labor was commonplace, an 8+hour work day all week round was standard and sick days did not exist. That is the reality for labor without regulations and I don't think this culture has changed among the corporate types. These practices are still alive and well abroad, where there is no regulation available to fight for the common worker.
IronWillGiroud wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:The proper role is to provide military defense and to enforce basic laws like murder,Anything more and it's an industry
What are considered to be basic laws? What are their objectives? Why is it an industry if it's anything more?
can't steal can't kill,
other than that, do your thing young man!!!!!
if it's anything more, it starts to grow just for the sake of expanding itself, it ceases to function as a government, now it is an animal that wants to eat your food!!!
Why is it then that more educated populations, have more developed governments? And why is it that nations on the other end of that spectrum, are usually 3rd world countries and/or have a horrible human rights track record?
NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:The proper role is to provide military defense and to enforce basic laws like murder,Anything more and it's an industry
What are considered to be basic laws? What are their objectives? Why is it an industry if it's anything more?
can't steal can't kill,
other than that, do your thing young man!!!!!
if it's anything more, it starts to grow just for the sake of expanding itself, it ceases to function as a government, now it is an animal that wants to eat your food!!!
Why is it then that more educated populations, have more developed governments? And why is it that nations on the other end of that spectrum, are usually 3rd world countries and/or have a horrible human rights track record?
He doesn't realize he's just bought into the Republican rhetoric that government is the problem.
Bonn1997 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:The proper role is to provide military defense and to enforce basic laws like murder,Anything more and it's an industry
What are considered to be basic laws? What are their objectives? Why is it an industry if it's anything more?
can't steal can't kill,
other than that, do your thing young man!!!!!
if it's anything more, it starts to grow just for the sake of expanding itself, it ceases to function as a government, now it is an animal that wants to eat your food!!!
Why is it then that more educated populations, have more developed governments? And why is it that nations on the other end of that spectrum, are usually 3rd world countries and/or have a horrible human rights track record?
He doesn't realize he's just bought into the Republican rhetoric that government is the problem.
I believe as much but maybe there is a scholarly explanation for some of this, which I hope we can uncover. All I usually hear is the bullshit fed to us by politicians and there is next to nothing to learn from those people (which I think is true on both sides of the aisle but even less so for Republicans).
i pull myself out of here now, obviously in way over my head.
all the best,
iwg
http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Incorporated-Managed-Inverted-Totalitarianism/dp/069114589X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381326426&sr=8-1&keywords=democracy+inc
NardDog, have you read this book? Great read and spot on IMO.
Golly, I thought this was a federal republic (boo Bonn!) and not a democracy.
In Congress, July 4, 1776.
A Declaration
By the Representatives of the
United States of America,
In general Congress assembled.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I normally make it my business not to try to write my own laws and ways of doing things. Especially when it's been done already for the country I live in.
But you see, I'm just a stupid conservative Republican. Not a member of the elitist liberal humanist class who know better than a bunch of deist slave owners who decided to start a country as a way of jumpstarting the capitalistic pigfest our Democratic brothers are trying to finally to put right by making the decisions on how to pursue happiness for you.
jrodmc wrote:Golly, I thought this was a federal republic (boo Bonn!) and not a democracy. In Congress, July 4, 1776.
A Declaration
By the Representatives of the
United States of America,
In general Congress assembled.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I normally make it my business not to try to write my own laws and ways of doing things. Especially when it's been done already for the country I live in.
But you see, I'm just a stupid conservative Republican. Not a member of the elitist liberal humanist class who know better than a bunch of deist slave owners who decided to start a country as a way of jumpstarting the capitalistic pigfest our Democratic brothers are trying to finally to put right by making the decisions on how to pursue happiness for you.
Are you paid to be this delusional or does it come naturally to you?
IronWillGiroud wrote:i pull myself out of here now, obviously in way over my head.all the best,
iwg
If you felt attacked I apologize. I just was curious about how you arrived at your position to figure out the nuance of it. From my side looking in, I can not understand the idea of having that impotent a government considering the cautionary tales of our own past.
NardDogNation wrote:jrodmc wrote:Golly, I thought this was a federal republic (boo Bonn!) and not a democracy. In Congress, July 4, 1776.
A Declaration
By the Representatives of the
United States of America,
In general Congress assembled.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I normally make it my business not to try to write my own laws and ways of doing things. Especially when it's been done already for the country I live in.
But you see, I'm just a stupid conservative Republican. Not a member of the elitist liberal humanist class who know better than a bunch of deist slave owners who decided to start a country as a way of jumpstarting the capitalistic pigfest our Democratic brothers are trying to finally to put right by making the decisions on how to pursue happiness for you.
Are you paid to be this delusional or does it come naturally to you?
Please, tell me some more of your "facts". I graduated cum laude with a degree in Poli Sci. What you got, Dog? More ad hominem?
Do you honestly believe in big government liberalism or did you just agree to have one of Al Gore's V-chips implanted in your skull?
GustavBahler wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Incorporated-Managed-Inverted-Totalitarianism/dp/069114589X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381326426&sr=8-1&keywords=democracy+incNardDog, have you read this book? Great read and spot on IMO.
No, I haven't but I definitely will. I definitely appreciate the tip. Are you still reading it?
