Knicks · Murry and Diogu earned the spots (page 2)

knicks1248 wrote:I agree with Briggs, murry, iDiogo...although powell has avg close to 2 blocks pg..still, not sure I would keep him on the strength of that alone..

The way opposing teams can run layup drills with speedy pg's , I really like Murry I will take Powell over Ike Diogu too.

With this many offensive minded oneway players on our team, we need as many frontcourt-backcourt defenders we can find to protect our rim and perimiter. Diogu is is more of an offensive minded player and undersized at that.

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knicks1248 wrote:I agree with Briggs, murry, iDiogo...although powell has avg close to 2 blocks pg..still, not sure I would keep him on the strength of that alone..

The way opposing teams can run layup drills with speedy pg's , I really like Murry I will take Powell over Ike Diogu too.

With this many offensive minded oneway players on our team, we need as many frontcourt-backcourt defenders we can find to protect our rim and perimiter. Diogu is is more of an offensive minded player and undersized at that.

Yeah he's under size but he plays big boy style, rebounds pretty well too, and you do know thats one of our short comings.

Powell he's a nice shot blocker for sure, he had a couple of chase down blocks, weak side blocks. I like what he brings, but he's also one dimensional and he's not a superior shot blocker, just a adequate one

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knicks1248 wrote:I agree with Briggs, murry, iDiogo...although powell has avg close to 2 blocks pg..still, not sure I would keep him on the strength of that alone..

The way opposing teams can run layup drills with speedy pg's , I really like Murry I will take Powell over Ike Diogu too.

With this many offensive minded oneway players on our team, we need as many frontcourt-backcourt defenders we can find to protect our rim and perimiter. Diogu is is more of an offensive minded player and undersized at that.

Yeah he's under size but he plays big boy style, rebounds pretty well too, and you do know thats one of our short comings.

Powell he's a nice shot blocker for sure, he had a couple of chase down blocks, weak side blocks. I like what he brings, but he's also one dimensional and he's not a superior shot blocker, just a adequate one

Isn't that what we lack shot block / shot altering, Diogu doesn't bring that. When Diogu goes up against top tier starting talent, I don't see him being that effective .

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knicks1248 wrote:I agree with Briggs, murry, iDiogo...although powell has avg close to 2 blocks pg..still, not sure I would keep him on the strength of that alone..

The way opposing teams can run layup drills with speedy pg's , I really like Murry I will take Powell over Ike Diogu too.

With this many offensive minded oneway players on our team, we need as many frontcourt-backcourt defenders we can find to protect our rim and perimiter. Diogu is is more of an offensive minded player and undersized at that.

Yeah he's under size but he plays big boy style, rebounds pretty well too, and you do know thats one of our short comings.

Powell he's a nice shot blocker for sure, he had a couple of chase down blocks, weak side blocks. I like what he brings, but he's also one dimensional and he's not a superior shot blocker, just a adequate one

Isn't that what we lack shot block / shot altering, Diogu doesn't bring that. When Diogu goes up against top tier starting talent, I don't see him being that effective .

Like i said, powell is not a big time shot blocker like camby or deke, I didn't see him alter any shots ( at least not significantly) and i do understand our pg's get burned on a reg..But when you look at diougo, he makes FT's, he rebounds, he can scores around the hoop, he's strong, and he will get a few and 1's. Now compare that to a guy who might block a shot or 2 and won't see any real PT.

I'm still not sure powell is even better the Tyler.

The Baltimore Arena where Earl Monroe made his highlights is 50 years old. It is a funky basketball place with tiny scoreboards lining the facade of the upper deck. There are some great old school sightlines from section 328. the fries were hot. Mike Riordan was there.

Some observations: we played without JR Smith, Amar'e, Kenyon Martin, Jeremy Tyler and Ron World Peace. That is a lot of height. Ergo, Woody auditioned some interesting shifts. Staring Udrih and Murry together in the second half was a nice touch. Murry has excellent court poise and moves without the ball. He should stay.

It was a Carmelo Homecoming. The crowd responded to his moves more than any player on the court, on either team. It was a pro-Knicks crowd and the amount of blue and orange being worn was dominant. Carmelo cannot be handled inside. Period. Woodson gave Anthony creative license to freelance. After Carmelo missed a long shot at the (third quarter) buzzer, Woodson said to Melo, "that's enough." Evening over.

Andrea Bargnani will get a lot of open looks. He did not settle for jumpers and drove to the rack with evil intentions. The Answer Man dug that about him. Not many seven footers can put the ball on the floor and either pull up for a baseline fadeaway.. or drive the paint with confidence. He will get a lot of foul calls because of that versatility.

Ike Diogu is a poor mans Zach Randolph. He snatched a few fierce rebounds in traffic and seems to take his shot when it is there. Undersized perhaps, he plays taller because he enjoys contact and has hands like Spider Man.

Jr Hardaway does not play like a rookie. Certainly, he will make freshman mistakes, but the interplay between he and Woodson during a stoppage in play was cool to watch. Woodson lectured Hardaway on a offensive switch, Hardaway promptly goes downcourt and drains a jumper without blinking, or looking to the bench.

Beno Udrih will be come a Garden favorite. Warm up the Bee-NO chants.

Chris Smith should be immediately put of of the misery of his brick laying.

The Knicks Nation is everywhere.

Still up in the air with Diogu. He can probably board the best, but Powell is a better shotblocker. Disappointed in Aldrich, he sucks immensely. No clue what'll Tyler bring to the table, as we only saw him in summer league.

Can't wait for tip-off on Oct 30th.

callmened wrote:Id rather play prigs over murry since hes a pesty PG and lets face it...murry is still learning

I don't see how Prigs wouldn't get minutes over Ben-o too. Woody does have a well-developed sense of loyalty, doesn't he? It's pre-season fellas. These are the real jv games.

Is the "Pablo is probably in better shape than anyone else on the team" just MSG propaganda? Hope that elbow doesn't make all this moot at the start of the season already...

misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Was at the game in Baltimore

The Baltimore Arena where Earl Monroe made his highlights is 50 years old. It is a funky basketball place with tiny scoreboards lining the facade of the upper deck. There are some great old school sightlines from section 328. the fries were hot. Mike Riordan was there.

Some observations: we played without JR Smith, Amar'e, Kenyon Martin, Jeremy Tyler and Ron World Peace. That is a lot of height. Ergo, Woody auditioned some interesting shifts. Staring Udrih and Murry together in the second half was a nice touch. Murry has excellent court poise and moves without the ball. He should stay.

It was a Carmelo Homecoming. The crowd responded to his moves more than any player on the court, on either team. It was a pro-Knicks crowd and the amount of blue and orange being worn was dominant. Carmelo cannot be handled inside. Period. Woodson gave Anthony creative license to freelance. After Carmelo missed a long shot at the (third quarter) buzzer, Woodson said to Melo, "that's enough." Evening over.

Andrea Bargnani will get a lot of open looks. He did not settle for jumpers and drove to the rack with evil intentions. The Answer Man dug that about him. Not many seven footers can put the ball on the floor and either pull up for a baseline fadeaway.. or drive the paint with confidence. He will get a lot of foul calls because of that versatility.

Ike Diogu is a poor mans Zach Randolph. He snatched a few fierce rebounds in traffic and seems to take his shot when it is there. Undersized perhaps, he plays taller because he enjoys contact and has hands like Spider Man.

Jr Hardaway does not play like a rookie. Certainly, he will make freshman mistakes, but the interplay between he and Woodson during a stoppage in play was cool to watch. Woodson lectured Hardaway on a offensive switch, Hardaway promptly goes downcourt and drains a jumper without blinking, or looking to the bench.

Beno Udrih will be come a Garden favorite. Warm up the Bee-NO chants.

Chris Smith should be immediately put of of the misery of his brick laying.

The Knicks Nation is everywhere.

Excellent insightful info, as usual, Mr. Earl.

It is, however, pronounced BENN-OH. Want the newbie hardnosed PG to feel welcome. Really like what I've seen of his highlights so far.

Mike Riordan. Wow. Seriously.
Loved the Pearl, but man, Riordan should have been a Knick for life.

callmened wrote:I agree 100% with BRIGGS assessment

Im not the biggest fan of undersized PFs (especially when we need defensive centers) but he has earned a spot on the team

Hardaway is even better than I thought and I was happy to draft him

this was my first look at bargnani. He had his moments but hes not being used correctly. Dont run the PNR with melo cuz he wont pass. I honestly forgot he was on the court at times

I agree about the undersized PF thing but if I remember right, Diogu had a really large wingspan and he got drafted fairly high as a result. So hopefully he's learned to play bigger than he is. (I know the 2005 draft particularly well because reading scouting reports was infinitely more interesting than studying for my senior year finals and research papers in college)

I like what I'm seeing from Bargs- he's exactly as advertised, an okay individual defender who's awful at positional, team defense. Nice chemistry developing with Melo, plus I like that he's determined to drive and draw fouls rather than just hang out on the 3pt line hoisting shots.

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knicks1248 wrote:I agree with Briggs, murry, iDiogo...although powell has avg close to 2 blocks pg..still, not sure I would keep him on the strength of that alone..

The way opposing teams can run layup drills with speedy pg's , I really like Murry I will take Powell over Ike Diogu too.

With this many offensive minded oneway players on our team, we need as many frontcourt-backcourt defenders we can find to protect our rim and perimiter. Diogu is is more of an offensive minded player and undersized at that.

Yeah he's under size but he plays big boy style, rebounds pretty well too, and you do know thats one of our short comings.

Powell he's a nice shot blocker for sure, he had a couple of chase down blocks, weak side blocks. I like what he brings, but he's also one dimensional and he's not a superior shot blocker, just a adequate one

Isn't that what we lack shot block / shot altering, Diogu doesn't bring that. When Diogu goes up against top tier starting talent, I don't see him being that effective .

Like i said, powell is not a big time shot blocker like camby or deke, I didn't see him alter any shots ( at least not significantly) and i do understand our pg's get burned on a reg..But when you look at diougo, he makes FT's, he rebounds, he can scores around the hoop, he's strong, and he will get a few and 1's. Now compare that to a guy who might block a shot or 2 and won't see any real PT.

I'm still not sure powell is even better the Tyler.

When Diogo can get rebounds and score around the hoop against real NBA players who make the team then let me know. He can't guard NBA PF players at this level, He ain't no Reggie Evans or Charles Barkley. The guy can play against borderline NBA players that's about it.

Powell on the other hand shows crazy effort on defending the rim , he hustles to defend the rim regardless who the player is trying to score.

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knicks1248 wrote:I agree with Briggs, murry, iDiogo...although powell has avg close to 2 blocks pg..still, not sure I would keep him on the strength of that alone..

The way opposing teams can run layup drills with speedy pg's , I really like Murry I will take Powell over Ike Diogu too.

With this many offensive minded oneway players on our team, we need as many frontcourt-backcourt defenders we can find to protect our rim and perimiter. Diogu is is more of an offensive minded player and undersized at that.

Yeah he's under size but he plays big boy style, rebounds pretty well too, and you do know thats one of our short comings.

Powell he's a nice shot blocker for sure, he had a couple of chase down blocks, weak side blocks. I like what he brings, but he's also one dimensional and he's not a superior shot blocker, just a adequate one

Isn't that what we lack shot block / shot altering, Diogu doesn't bring that. When Diogu goes up against top tier starting talent, I don't see him being that effective .

Like i said, powell is not a big time shot blocker like camby or deke, I didn't see him alter any shots ( at least not significantly) and i do understand our pg's get burned on a reg..But when you look at diougo, he makes FT's, he rebounds, he can scores around the hoop, he's strong, and he will get a few and 1's. Now compare that to a guy who might block a shot or 2 and won't see any real PT.

I'm still not sure powell is even better the Tyler.

When Diogo can get rebounds and score around the hoop against real NBA players who make the team then let me know. He can't guard NBA PF players at this level, He ain't no Reggie Evans or Charles Barkley. The guy can play against borderline NBA players that's about it.

Powell on the other hand shows crazy effort on defending the rim , he hustles to defend the rim regardless who the player is trying to score.

Ive watched every second of every pre season game. Powell has done little to garner a position on this team while Diogu has really soared in the last two games. With Amare a ? having Diogu might be a blessing in disguise. We have two big men who are defense first Chandler and Martin--Diogu is a guy who can help get some rebounds and score the ball easy inside.

gunsnewing wrote:^agreed especially with the lSt point. Even if Powell isn't a preseason scrub he is over abundant since we already have Tyson and Kmart

Yea, but my point is we've been lucky with Kmart, he only had to play 18 games in reg season for us.

Martin will be 36 yrs old during the season in Dec, we need insurance on defense more than we need on offense.

We struggle defensively around the rim. How many layups did teams score against us, probably a knicks team record. LOL

gunsnewing wrote:Lack of Easy baskets inside was a big reason why we were embarrassed by Indy. Defense was decent. Offense sucked

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knicks1248 wrote:I agree with Briggs, murry, iDiogo...although powell has avg close to 2 blocks pg..still, not sure I would keep him on the strength of that alone..

The way opposing teams can run layup drills with speedy pg's , I really like Murry I will take Powell over Ike Diogu too.

With this many offensive minded oneway players on our team, we need as many frontcourt-backcourt defenders we can find to protect our rim and perimiter. Diogu is is more of an offensive minded player and undersized at that.

Yeah he's under size but he plays big boy style, rebounds pretty well too, and you do know thats one of our short comings.

Powell he's a nice shot blocker for sure, he had a couple of chase down blocks, weak side blocks. I like what he brings, but he's also one dimensional and he's not a superior shot blocker, just a adequate one

Isn't that what we lack shot block / shot altering, Diogu doesn't bring that. When Diogu goes up against top tier starting talent, I don't see him being that effective .

Like i said, powell is not a big time shot blocker like camby or deke, I didn't see him alter any shots ( at least not significantly) and i do understand our pg's get burned on a reg..But when you look at diougo, he makes FT's, he rebounds, he can scores around the hoop, he's strong, and he will get a few and 1's. Now compare that to a guy who might block a shot or 2 and won't see any real PT.

I'm still not sure powell is even better the Tyler.

When Diogo can get rebounds and score around the hoop against real NBA players who make the team then let me know. He can't guard NBA PF players at this level, He ain't no Reggie Evans or Charles Barkley. The guy can play against borderline NBA players that's about it.

Powell on the other hand shows crazy effort on defending the rim , he hustles to defend the rim regardless who the player is trying to score.

I thought powell was currently playing against the same level of talent, am i missing something here?

gunsnewing wrote:Lack of Easy baskets inside was a big reason why we were embarrassed by Indy. Defense was decent. Offense sucked

No woody sucked in rotations we had Pacers on the ropes , offense was fine dude. Refs helped change momentum too.