Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:A jump shooting iso team not getting free throws will not raise eyebrows if the games were watched.
I distinctly remember Melo taking to the rim strong many times and Hibbert absolutely clobbering him without a peep from officials.
many times? I think not, can you provide data to support that.Not sure why melo is being single out when I stated a jump shooting "team" though.
Do I have data to show how many times he drove to the basket? Really dude? Really? *Facepalm*
You could start right here.....
http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?Pl...
That would show the basics of how many totals shot he attempted at the rim, although like I originally posted the team overall is a jump shooting team.
And if scroll down guess what...it shows driving layups.
there is almost data to prove or disprove just about anything said....
knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:A jump shooting iso team not getting free throws will not raise eyebrows if the games were watched.
I distinctly remember Melo taking to the rim strong many times and Hibbert absolutely clobbering him without a peep from officials.
many times? I think not, can you provide data to support that.Not sure why melo is being single out when I stated a jump shooting "team" though.
Do I have data to show how many times he drove to the basket? Really dude? Really? *Facepalm*
You could start right here.....http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?Pl...
That would show the basics of how many totals shot he attempted at the rim, although like I originally posted the team overall is a jump shooting team.
And if scroll down guess what...it shows driving layups.
there is almost data to prove or disprove just about anything said....
Jump shooting center would have changed that series outcome.
playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
When you look at things thru conspiracy colored glasses, you'll see what you want to see.
If Playa can find a youtube for a subject that suits his agenda, its all the proof he needs.
Vmart wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:A jump shooting iso team not getting free throws will not raise eyebrows if the games were watched.
I distinctly remember Melo taking to the rim strong many times and Hibbert absolutely clobbering him without a peep from officials.
many times? I think not, can you provide data to support that.Not sure why melo is being single out when I stated a jump shooting "team" though.
Do I have data to show how many times he drove to the basket? Really dude? Really? *Facepalm*
You could start right here.....http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?Pl...
That would show the basics of how many totals shot he attempted at the rim, although like I originally posted the team overall is a jump shooting team.
And if scroll down guess what...it shows driving layups.
there is almost data to prove or disprove just about anything said....
Jump shooting center would have changed that series outcome.
Yet we got killed on the offensive glass.
Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.
The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:A jump shooting iso team not getting free throws will not raise eyebrows if the games were watched.
I distinctly remember Melo taking to the rim strong many times and Hibbert absolutely clobbering him without a peep from officials.
many times? I think not, can you provide data to support that.Not sure why melo is being single out when I stated a jump shooting "team" though.
Do I have data to show how many times he drove to the basket? Really dude? Really? *Facepalm*
You could start right here.....http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?Pl...
That would show the basics of how many totals shot he attempted at the rim, although like I originally posted the team overall is a jump shooting team.
And if scroll down guess what...it shows driving layups.
there is almost data to prove or disprove just about anything said....
But, why would I look that up? I saw with my own eyes him consistently drive to the rim and get pounded on.....I never said there wasn't a stat for it, it's just a silly thing to look up. Looking at those numbers I think it's very clear he had a ton off attempts at the rim. I won't argue we were a jump shooting team, but the free throw difference was nuts.
Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Killa , I guess you forgot "THE JORDAN RULES" when he was beat up repeatedly. 90% mental
Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:A jump shooting iso team not getting free throws will not raise eyebrows if the games were watched.
I distinctly remember Melo taking to the rim strong many times and Hibbert absolutely clobbering him without a peep from officials.
many times? I think not, can you provide data to support that.Not sure why melo is being single out when I stated a jump shooting "team" though.
Do I have data to show how many times he drove to the basket? Really dude? Really? *Facepalm*
You could start right here.....http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?Pl...
That would show the basics of how many totals shot he attempted at the rim, although like I originally posted the team overall is a jump shooting team.
And if scroll down guess what...it shows driving layups.
there is almost data to prove or disprove just about anything said....
But, why would I look that up? I saw with my own eyes him consistently drive to the rim and get pounded on.....I never said there wasn't a stat for it.
He didnt even consistently drive to the rim, so those handful of instances really dont matter.
He gets his fair share, just like another other jumpshooter.
knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
He gets to the free throw line a lot because of his style of play and they do miss a lot of calls, but it stands out that a player of his stature gets a lot of missed calls.
Killa4luv wrote:knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
He gets to the free throw line a lot because of his style of play and they do miss a lot of calls, but it stands out that a player of his stature gets a lot of missed calls.
it's noticed by fans of the team, no different than even lebron, and he certainly isnt "hated" by the refs either.
every fan base says the same thing.
knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:A jump shooting iso team not getting free throws will not raise eyebrows if the games were watched.
I distinctly remember Melo taking to the rim strong many times and Hibbert absolutely clobbering him without a peep from officials.
many times? I think not, can you provide data to support that.Not sure why melo is being single out when I stated a jump shooting "team" though.
Do I have data to show how many times he drove to the basket? Really dude? Really? *Facepalm*
You could start right here.....http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?Pl...
That would show the basics of how many totals shot he attempted at the rim, although like I originally posted the team overall is a jump shooting team.
And if scroll down guess what...it shows driving layups.
there is almost data to prove or disprove just about anything said....
But, why would I look that up? I saw with my own eyes him consistently drive to the rim and get pounded on.....I never said there wasn't a stat for it.
He didnt even consistently drive to the rim, so those handful of instances really dont matter.He gets his fair share, just like another other jumpshooter.
Papabear Says
YOu know I just don't get it!! Either you are blind or you are just another one who really don't care for the best player on our team. One thing you better worry about and that is this --If Melo leaves the Knicks we with be a lottery team.And please don't tell me we can sign a star because we can't LeBron ain't coming to New York and Durant signed a long term contract with his team. The rest of the players like Paul George and other so called star players are resigning with thier teams. So what do we do??? We have no draft picks. Since you are so down of Melo tell me of one star player who talks about coming to New York? There are none. Our only hope of getting another star will be Melo staying here in NY. And because of Melo we just might be able to pull someone. Basketball stars know that in today NBA you will need 2 or 3 stars to have a chance to win a championship. So the next time you want to bash the best player on our team no matter what his faults are just imagine him gone.
Killa4luv wrote:knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
He gets to the free throw line a lot because of his style of play and they do miss a lot of calls, but it stands out that a player of his stature gets a lot of missed calls.
For the most extreme example of this, watch that Thunder game from last year where the refs refused to call ANY foul for Melo, while calling everything for Durant. In the end they reluctantly called a foul because the Thunder were purposely trying to stop the clock, but even then they had to foul him 3 times...
knickscity wrote:Dagger wrote:knickscity wrote:A jump shooting iso team not getting free throws will not raise eyebrows if the games were watched.
I distinctly remember Melo taking to the rim strong many times and Hibbert absolutely clobbering him without a peep from officials.
many times? I think not, can you provide data to support that.Not sure why melo is being single out when I stated a jump shooting "team" though.
Metrics are making this game as boring as humanly possible- they're just someones opinion disguised as scientific fact. People can post what they see and their opinions- the old eye test and personal judgement are just as valid as advanced stats.
knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
dude Melo should've had so many more calls last year it's laughable. yeah he's one of the leaders in free throw attempts, that's what happens when you're the team's #1 scoring option and NBA scoring champ and you drive to the rim a lot, it doesn't however take away from the fact that he's been getting banged up constantly left and right, and there were plenty, and I mean plenty of times when he should've gone to the line but the refs chose to ignore that, even when his own headband made it extremely obvious he was fouled.
compare that to the calls James and Durant were getting and you'll see my point.
OGkush121 wrote:knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
dude Melo should've had so many more calls last year it's laughable. yeah he's one of the leaders in free throw attempts, that's what happens when you're the team's #1 scoring option and NBA scoring champ and you drive to the rim a lot, it doesn't however take away from the fact that he's been getting banged up constantly left and right, and there were plenty, and I mean plenty of times when he should've gone to the line but the refs chose to ignore that, even when his own headband made it extremely obvious he was fouled.compare that to the calls James and Durant were getting and you'll see my point.
also compare how durant and james treat the refs,
melo is terrible with them, he doesn't get it, he doesn't play the refs the right way,
of course he will not be popular if he is a dickhead
smackeddog wrote:Killa4luv wrote:knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
He gets to the free throw line a lot because of his style of play and they do miss a lot of calls, but it stands out that a player of his stature gets a lot of missed calls.
For the most extreme example of this, watch that Thunder game from last year where the refs refused to call ANY foul for Melo, while calling everything for Durant. In the end they reluctantly called a foul because the Thunder were purposely trying to stop the clock, but even then they had to foul him 3 times...
ah, I remember that. Durant shot around 14-15 free throws that game, some of which were laughable calls, while Melo had his 1st and 2nd free throw attempts with less than 30 seconds to play after being intentionaly fouled atleast a couple of times.
I was watching that game live, and remember being incredibily pissed off.
And then I also remembered some of the stuff I've read about the refs taking the piss out of this game at times, playing games with eachother to see who pays up by being the first to call a foul on a certain player (example Iverson years back), and I just couldn't help but think we were watching that game unfold before our very eyes.
IronWillGiroud wrote:OGkush121 wrote:knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
dude Melo should've had so many more calls last year it's laughable. yeah he's one of the leaders in free throw attempts, that's what happens when you're the team's #1 scoring option and NBA scoring champ and you drive to the rim a lot, it doesn't however take away from the fact that he's been getting banged up constantly left and right, and there were plenty, and I mean plenty of times when he should've gone to the line but the refs chose to ignore that, even when his own headband made it extremely obvious he was fouled.compare that to the calls James and Durant were getting and you'll see my point.
also compare how durant and james treat the refs,
melo is terrible with them, he doesn't get it, he doesn't play the refs the right way,
of course he will not be popular if he is a dickhead
oh please I've seen James bitching about calls when he should be the last person allowed to complain. and yes Melo can lose his cool, but most people play this game with meaning, with emotions, so you can understand human nature coming into play. When you feel you're being misstreated, you're gonna say something most of the time. Regardless of it being the right/wrong way (his reaction(s)) fairness is fairness and when you feel you're being "cheated" you'll only take it to a point before you do something about it (verbaly or phisicaly).
I'm pretty sure if you'd switch out the refs' treatment of James and Melo for example, you'd see Melo being more "melo" about it and James getting pissed off a bit more often.
OGkush121 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:OGkush121 wrote:knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
dude Melo should've had so many more calls last year it's laughable. yeah he's one of the leaders in free throw attempts, that's what happens when you're the team's #1 scoring option and NBA scoring champ and you drive to the rim a lot, it doesn't however take away from the fact that he's been getting banged up constantly left and right, and there were plenty, and I mean plenty of times when he should've gone to the line but the refs chose to ignore that, even when his own headband made it extremely obvious he was fouled.compare that to the calls James and Durant were getting and you'll see my point.
also compare how durant and james treat the refs,
melo is terrible with them, he doesn't get it, he doesn't play the refs the right way,
of course he will not be popular if he is a dickhead
oh please I've seen James bitching about calls when he should be the last person allowed to complain. and yes Melo can lose his cool, but most people play this game with meaning, with emotions, so you can understand human nature coming into play. When you feel you're being misstreated, you're gonna say something most of the time. Regardless of it being the right/wrong way (his reaction(s)) fairness is fairness and when you feel you're being "cheated" you'll only take it to a point before you do something about it (verbaly or phisicaly).I'm pretty sure if you'd switch out the refs' treatment of James and Melo for example, you'd see Melo being more "melo" about it and James getting pissed off a bit more often.
these are nice ideals about fairness,
but we're dealing with human beings,
for whatever reason, melo does not handle the refs as well as james and durant do,
Silverfuel wrote:smackeddog wrote:skeng wrote:we were pretty close to getting that game 7 in MSG.. :(
True, but if you read any of the offseason coverage and predictions stuff, you'd of thought we got swept by them. A lot of posters on these boards act like that too.
You are making some really good points smackeddog. It is only a few posters that act like we got swept. They didn't like the team from the very beginning
Circa 2010, actually. We are now into four years and counting...
Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:...and almost wanted it to fail so that they could complain and claim to have been right all along. Most of the fans are smart enough to know how devastated our front line was by injuries and we still almost forced a game 7. If we had gotten the right calls and if JR could hit some shots we could have won that series with a broken down team. I think we are better team this year.
"A few posters"? Why not just give names? We all know you're talking about JRod and Holfresh anyway! 
Wow. A thread I don't even bother to post in, and Bonn's stalking me anyway... SMH.
Bonn, are you actually a closet Homer? Would you like a mask to wear so you can come to the meetings? Jimmie's throwing a fund raiser for a new geetar, want some backstage passes?
smackeddog wrote:Killa4luv wrote:knickscity wrote:Killa4luv wrote:playa2 wrote:In the real NBA those are play on calls. They've desensitized too many fans today from what playoff basketball was really like.This is one of the reason why MJ said the game is 90% mental, it's hard to keep your cool in the heat of the battle against a great opponent when you get calls against you like these.
MJ never had to deal with not getting calls or having the refs against him. It seems like all of the refs hate Melo.
Yet melo's always one of the leaders in free throw attempts.The refs miss alot of calls, not just the melo ones.
He gets to the free throw line a lot because of his style of play and they do miss a lot of calls, but it stands out that a player of his stature gets a lot of missed calls.
For the most extreme example of this, watch that Thunder game from last year where the refs refused to call ANY foul for Melo, while calling everything for Durant. In the end they reluctantly called a foul because the Thunder were purposely trying to stop the clock, but even then they had to foul him 3 times...
Great example, I had almost forgotten about that game. Watching it made me sick to my stomach it was so ridiculous.
