Knicks · The Knicks may very well loose thier young fan base and maybe some older fans and heres why. (page 3)

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

misterearl wrote:Knicks ain't losing nothing but fake, wanna be, trendy-minded, gullible and faint hearted crybabies.

Fu@k the Nets

And the fake, wanna be, trendy-minded, gullible and faint hearted crybabies that they ride in on

PapaBear Says wrote:Name deffination and players we can identify with on the Nets.

A sad day indeed, when a concerned, diehard Knicks fan can identify with end of the line starphucqued stooges like KG and PP. Maybe we can all sit on the sidelines at the Barclays, staring at a replica of the 2007 Celtic Chip Banner, in that retro black and white.

And the Somber choir sings in response:
"At least they got starphucques with a chip!" "At least their owner is way cool and not a tool!" "Them Nyets, they all reek of efficiency!"
"Larry Frankly > Mike Woodson"

Wednesday can't come soon enough!

yet, we are told that artest and beno are GREAT signings.. be honest, if pierce and Garnett were on the knicks, you would not be saying that. they are not in their prime anymore, but they are still quality players, and winners.. winners!! we are busy recyling bums like kenyon martin, and bargnani, I much rather have KG and pierce..

Sing along with tkf, C'mon you all know the words!

Gee tkf, I thought you were the voice of reality and reason. PP and KG are not on the Knicks. MJ was never on the Knicks. Reggie Miller was never on the Knicks. Danny Ainge was never on the Knicks. I deal with what we have, not what might be in your splendid imagination. Stick to the topic, this post is not about the Bargs and MWP signings. Stay focused.

I hereby accept and realize your mastery over the use of the word "great" in relation to anything this franchise has done.

it isn't my imagination that the nets have two hall of fame players who were integral parts of a title team, one of whom won the finals mvp.

so again, the question for you is "who would you rather have, pierce and garnett or udrih and bargnani?"

misterearl wrote:Knicks ain't losing nothing but fake, wanna be, trendy-minded, gullible and faint hearted crybabies.

Fu@k the Nets

give us your assessment of the owner of the knicks franchise

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Knicks ain't losing nothing but fake, wanna be, trendy-minded, gullible and faint hearted crybabies.

Fu@k the Nets

give us your assessment of the owner of the knicks franchise

be careful what you ask for!

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh yes the garden looks beautiful. But what about the Knicks? When will you fix them?
Last night I found myself going in between games with the Knicks and the Nets. The Nets looked great. Name deffination and players we can identify with on the Nets. They beat up on the Heat. Then turning back to the Knicks with sloopy plays just a jump shooting team with no set plans. Listen I played basketball and I learned the game well. We had set plays and many of them. The Knicks just don't look like a team who went to training camp. And Woody is being Dolan's flunky. I will always be a Knicks die hard fan but I can't speak for other people who are watching the Nets play. I never turned to a Nets game but I'm doing it now. It's time for Dolan to sell the team to some one who wants to win a championship. Oh yes the garden lots beautiful. But what about the Knicks?

Enjoy the Nets after this season- locked in salary cap hell, old declining players and no draft picks at all for the foreseeable future!

they can still retool and build around Deron and Lopez, heck even add in blatche...

How? They'll be capped out and have no draft picks- how are they going to add any pieces around those guys? Their draft pick situation is even worse than ours!:

2014 first round draft pick to Boston

2014 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2014 second round draft pick to Philadelphia

2015 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2015 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2016 first round draft pick to Boston

2016 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers

2017 first round draft pick to Boston

2017 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2018 first round draft pick to Boston

Deron Williams is Marbury Mark 2- he is going to be a headache as they start to decline. They should have cap space in 2016, but likely between now and then they'll add some crappy contracts in a desperate attempt to just make the playoffs (much like we used to do!).

thats not right.. the nets don't have picks in 2014, but they next few years, 15,16,17 are all options to swap and the way it looks, they will be better than the hawks or boston so they will keep their lower first round picks anyway.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/bas...
when you have a top flight PG, which deron is, and a Good piece at center, which lopez is, you can always build around that. both guys are still fairly young, especially lopez who is only what, 25... they can still build from there...

You must secretly be a Net fan since you are going out of your way to make the Nets future pick situation seem better than it is. Please read your link again.......

The Nets have traded away their first round picks in 14, 16 and 18. In 15.... the Hawks have the right to swap.....so the Nets have little chance at a high pick. In 17.....the Celtics have the right to swap.....so essentially...the Nets may not have a decent first round pick until 2019. Further, the Nets also do not currently own a second round pick until 2017.....and in that year they gave the rights if a high second rounder in a swap as well.

Salary cap wise....the Nets are not in great shape either over the next 3 years due to high contracts for Deron, Bropez and JJ who will take up over 60 mil in space between them and this does not count if they resign Blatch to a higher number. It will be extremely difficult to sign or draft anyone of consequence over the next 4-5 years.

So in your zeal to hate on the Knicks....and talk up the Nets....please get your facts straight from the link you took the time to post LOL.

I hate almost every player on that roster. There are a lot of teams I would watch before I ever subjected myself to suffering through a New Jersey Nyets game.

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Knicks ain't losing nothing but fake, wanna be, trendy-minded, gullible and faint hearted crybabies.

Fu@k the Nets

give us your assessment of the owner of the knicks franchise

be careful what you ask for!

i'm expecting <crickets> at this point... it happens

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh yes the garden looks beautiful. But what about the Knicks? When will you fix them?
Last night I found myself going in between games with the Knicks and the Nets. The Nets looked great. Name deffination and players we can identify with on the Nets. They beat up on the Heat. Then turning back to the Knicks with sloopy plays just a jump shooting team with no set plans. Listen I played basketball and I learned the game well. We had set plays and many of them. The Knicks just don't look like a team who went to training camp. And Woody is being Dolan's flunky. I will always be a Knicks die hard fan but I can't speak for other people who are watching the Nets play. I never turned to a Nets game but I'm doing it now. It's time for Dolan to sell the team to some one who wants to win a championship. Oh yes the garden lots beautiful. But what about the Knicks?

Enjoy the Nets after this season- locked in salary cap hell, old declining players and no draft picks at all for the foreseeable future!

they can still retool and build around Deron and Lopez, heck even add in blatche...

How? They'll be capped out and have no draft picks- how are they going to add any pieces around those guys? Their draft pick situation is even worse than ours!:

2014 first round draft pick to Boston

2014 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2014 second round draft pick to Philadelphia

2015 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2015 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2016 first round draft pick to Boston

2016 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers

2017 first round draft pick to Boston

2017 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2018 first round draft pick to Boston

Deron Williams is Marbury Mark 2- he is going to be a headache as they start to decline. They should have cap space in 2016, but likely between now and then they'll add some crappy contracts in a desperate attempt to just make the playoffs (much like we used to do!).

thats not right.. the nets don't have picks in 2014, but they next few years, 15,16,17 are all options to swap and the way it looks, they will be better than the hawks or boston so they will keep their lower first round picks anyway.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/bas...
when you have a top flight PG, which deron is, and a Good piece at center, which lopez is, you can always build around that. both guys are still fairly young, especially lopez who is only what, 25... they can still build from there...

You must secretly be a Net fan since you are going out of your way to make the Nets future pick situation seem better than it is. Please read your link again.......

The Nets have traded away their first round picks in 14, 16 and 18. In 15.... the Hawks have the right to swap.....so the Nets have little chance at a high pick. In 17.....the Celtics have the right to swap.....so essentially...the Nets may not have a decent first round pick until 2019. Further, the Nets also do not currently own a second round pick until 2017.....and in that year they gave the rights if a high second rounder in a swap as well.

Salary cap wise....the Nets are not in great shape either over the next 3 years due to high contracts for Deron, Bropez and JJ who will take up over 60 mil in space between them and this does not count if they resign Blatch to a higher number. It will be extremely difficult to sign or draft anyone of consequence over the next 4-5 years.

So in your zeal to hate on the Knicks....and talk up the Nets....please get your facts straight from the link you took the time to post LOL.

Papabear Says

Ha ha LOL foosballnick: Don't you get it he is the Sean Hanity of basketball he throws out lies and don't care who finds out about his half azz truths.

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Knicks ain't losing nothing but fake, wanna be, trendy-minded, gullible and faint hearted crybabies.

Fu@k the Nets

give us your assessment of the owner of the knicks franchise

Smart, compassionate, tender, caring. A gentleman.

nyshakespeare wrote:I hate almost every player on that roster. There are a lot of teams I would watch before I ever subjected myself to suffering through a New Jersey Nyets game.

I do- though I used to like Deron Williams. Can't stand him now, not because he's a net but because he's just become a real arse the past few years. What happened to that tough, hardworking PG star on par with CP3?

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh yes the garden looks beautiful. But what about the Knicks? When will you fix them?
Last night I found myself going in between games with the Knicks and the Nets. The Nets looked great. Name deffination and players we can identify with on the Nets. They beat up on the Heat. Then turning back to the Knicks with sloopy plays just a jump shooting team with no set plans. Listen I played basketball and I learned the game well. We had set plays and many of them. The Knicks just don't look like a team who went to training camp. And Woody is being Dolan's flunky. I will always be a Knicks die hard fan but I can't speak for other people who are watching the Nets play. I never turned to a Nets game but I'm doing it now. It's time for Dolan to sell the team to some one who wants to win a championship. Oh yes the garden lots beautiful. But what about the Knicks?

Enjoy the Nets after this season- locked in salary cap hell, old declining players and no draft picks at all for the foreseeable future!

they can still retool and build around Deron and Lopez, heck even add in blatche...

How? They'll be capped out and have no draft picks- how are they going to add any pieces around those guys? Their draft pick situation is even worse than ours!:

2014 first round draft pick to Boston

2014 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2014 second round draft pick to Philadelphia

2015 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2015 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2016 first round draft pick to Boston

2016 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers

2017 first round draft pick to Boston

2017 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2018 first round draft pick to Boston

Deron Williams is Marbury Mark 2- he is going to be a headache as they start to decline. They should have cap space in 2016, but likely between now and then they'll add some crappy contracts in a desperate attempt to just make the playoffs (much like we used to do!).

thats not right.. the nets don't have picks in 2014, but they next few years, 15,16,17 are all options to swap and the way it looks, they will be better than the hawks or boston so they will keep their lower first round picks anyway.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/bas...
when you have a top flight PG, which deron is, and a Good piece at center, which lopez is, you can always build around that. both guys are still fairly young, especially lopez who is only what, 25... they can still build from there...

You must secretly be a Net fan since you are going out of your way to make the Nets future pick situation seem better than it is. Please read your link again.......

The Nets have traded away their first round picks in 14, 16 and 18. In 15.... the Hawks have the right to swap.....so the Nets have little chance at a high pick. In 17.....the Celtics have the right to swap.....so essentially...the Nets may not have a decent first round pick until 2019. Further, the Nets also do not currently own a second round pick until 2017.....and in that year they gave the rights if a high second rounder in a swap as well.

Salary cap wise....the Nets are not in great shape either over the next 3 years due to high contracts for Deron, Bropez and JJ who will take up over 60 mil in space between them and this does not count if they resign Blatch to a higher number. It will be extremely difficult to sign or draft anyone of consequence over the next 4-5 years.

So in your zeal to hate on the Knicks....and talk up the Nets....please get your facts straight from the link you took the time to post LOL.

LOL.. so where am I wrong.. now you are changing it to having Decent first round picks.. just stop it.. the nets after this trade didn't count on having decent first round picks, since they figured to be good over the next 3 years anyway.. but they do have picks, just swaps...they don't have a pick this year, like us, and most of those years are swaps.. I do find it funny how you come in here trying to refute what I said, just to say it in another way, change the parameters to "decent picks" and pat yourself on the back.. get out of here with that mess.. LOL..

So in your zeal to hate on the Knicks....and talk up the Nets....please get your facts straight from the link you took the time to post LOL.

where are they wrong???? the nets do have picks... they are swaps!!!!! you do realize when you swap, you are gettin a pick back, and again, the nets figure to be good for the next 3 years.... what is your point again?

The nets over the next 3 years are positioned to be contenders, as of right now their next 3 years look better than ours..... period! could things change? possibly, but I am not counting on it...

Papabear wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh yes the garden looks beautiful. But what about the Knicks? When will you fix them?
Last night I found myself going in between games with the Knicks and the Nets. The Nets looked great. Name deffination and players we can identify with on the Nets. They beat up on the Heat. Then turning back to the Knicks with sloopy plays just a jump shooting team with no set plans. Listen I played basketball and I learned the game well. We had set plays and many of them. The Knicks just don't look like a team who went to training camp. And Woody is being Dolan's flunky. I will always be a Knicks die hard fan but I can't speak for other people who are watching the Nets play. I never turned to a Nets game but I'm doing it now. It's time for Dolan to sell the team to some one who wants to win a championship. Oh yes the garden lots beautiful. But what about the Knicks?

Enjoy the Nets after this season- locked in salary cap hell, old declining players and no draft picks at all for the foreseeable future!

they can still retool and build around Deron and Lopez, heck even add in blatche...

How? They'll be capped out and have no draft picks- how are they going to add any pieces around those guys? Their draft pick situation is even worse than ours!:

2014 first round draft pick to Boston

2014 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2014 second round draft pick to Philadelphia

2015 first round draft pick to Atlanta

2015 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2016 first round draft pick to Boston

2016 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers

2017 first round draft pick to Boston

2017 second round draft pick to Atlanta

2018 first round draft pick to Boston

Deron Williams is Marbury Mark 2- he is going to be a headache as they start to decline. They should have cap space in 2016, but likely between now and then they'll add some crappy contracts in a desperate attempt to just make the playoffs (much like we used to do!).

thats not right.. the nets don't have picks in 2014, but they next few years, 15,16,17 are all options to swap and the way it looks, they will be better than the hawks or boston so they will keep their lower first round picks anyway.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/bas...
when you have a top flight PG, which deron is, and a Good piece at center, which lopez is, you can always build around that. both guys are still fairly young, especially lopez who is only what, 25... they can still build from there...

You must secretly be a Net fan since you are going out of your way to make the Nets future pick situation seem better than it is. Please read your link again.......

The Nets have traded away their first round picks in 14, 16 and 18. In 15.... the Hawks have the right to swap.....so the Nets have little chance at a high pick. In 17.....the Celtics have the right to swap.....so essentially...the Nets may not have a decent first round pick until 2019. Further, the Nets also do not currently own a second round pick until 2017.....and in that year they gave the rights if a high second rounder in a swap as well.

Salary cap wise....the Nets are not in great shape either over the next 3 years due to high contracts for Deron, Bropez and JJ who will take up over 60 mil in space between them and this does not count if they resign Blatch to a higher number. It will be extremely difficult to sign or draft anyone of consequence over the next 4-5 years.

So in your zeal to hate on the Knicks....and talk up the Nets....please get your facts straight from the link you took the time to post LOL.

Papabear Says

Ha ha LOL foosballnick: Don't you get it he is the Sean Hanity of basketball he throws out lies and don't care who finds out about his half azz truths.

if you realize how wrong he is, you wouldn't be cosigning, but then again, why should I expect any different from you?

Im sure the lack of objectivity of "REAL" Knick fans can't be relied upon to have a conversatin when emotions are involved.

There is real potential with that team. Deron is not even close to being Marbury, Lopez was hurt one season, and JJOhnson is a clutch performer. Then add the Boston duo as support with AK47 and Blatche off the bench and you got some serious depth.

I would not expect any true fan to accept anything otherwise!

Knick fans can't see the team objectively and scorn others who do.

Thats cool!

Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Nalod wrote:Im sure the lack of objectivity of "REAL" Knick fans can't be relied upon to have a conversatin when emotions are involved.

There is real potential with that team. Deron is not even close to being Marbury, Lopez was hurt one season, and JJOhnson is a clutch performer. Then add the Boston duo as support with AK47 and Blatche off the bench and you got some serious depth.

I would not expect any true fan to accept anything otherwise!

Knick fans can't see the team objectively and scorn others who do.

Thats cool!

I just don't see them as much of a threat, but then again I said that about the Pacers just before last season!

smackeddog wrote:

nyshakespeare wrote:I hate almost every player on that roster. There are a lot of teams I would watch before I ever subjected myself to suffering through a New Jersey Nyets game.

I do- though I used to like Deron Williams. Can't stand him now, not because he's a net but because he's just become a real arse the past few years. What happened to that tough, hardworking PG star on par with CP3?

One thing that annoys me (though this is not really his fault) is that he gets to escape the "coach killer" label while Melo has had that for some time now.

fishmike wrote:Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Melo Tyson and Felton missed a lot more games than KG and pierce

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Melo Tyson and Felton missed a lot more games than KG and pierce

And yet the Knicks were better?

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Melo Tyson and Felton missed a lot more games than KG and pierce

And yet the Knicks were better?

Apparently the Knicks were awful last season, according to these posters- shame, they missed out on an enjoyable season because they were too busy hoping we'd fail...

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Melo Tyson and Felton missed a lot more games than KG and pierce

And yet the Knicks were better?

Doc wasn't as concerned with winning the division. More concerned with limiting their minutes. Everything was derailed when rondo went down. Woodson was busy playing Kidd 30+ mins

gunsnewing wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:Nets season is banking on some really old guys who have missed a lot of time being healthy. Personally I think the KNicks are in better shape. When Amare rounds into form to be our 20/8 guy and give us the 55% scoring we need to balance. Oh wait.. some folks think thats not likely? funny.. folks would like to evaluate the Nets on the premis that AK47, Pierce, KG, JJ and Terry are all 28 years old again.

That being said those dudes know how to win... if they can get healthy in the spring they could def win a title

Melo Tyson and Felton missed a lot more games than KG and pierce

And yet the Knicks were better?

Doc wasn't as concerned with winning the division. More concerned with limiting their minutes. Everything was derailed when rondo went down. Woodson was busy playing Kidd 30+ mins

That team was flailing around before Rondo went down. Get it right.

Doc was concerned about just making the playoffs.

Right. Making the playoffs while keeping their legs fresh. Same way Kidd will manage their minutes this year. If he learned anything from Woodson. If not then the nets might not get to face the heat