Knicks · Need to rebuild before we get a repeat of Isiah thomas years (page 1)

StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 12:49 PM
I love the Knicks and i wnat them to do well in teh future. i believe that we took our best shot last year and even though we won 54 games(which was great) we arent gonna go further with this group. I felt the same way at the end of Ewing's tenure here. I dont hate melo he is a great scorer but he hanst shown to be a great overall player who can lead a team as a contender. we shouldnt overpay for him. If we are still playing poorly by the tarde daedline we should try and get back some draft picks. I dont want a repeat of the isiah thomas years where we kept trading away value for bloated contracts
Bonn1997 @ 11/10/2013 1:01 PM
I agree. It's sad that people who want to rebuild towards a real contender have to explain that they don't hate the Knicks but I can understand why you posted that.
StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 1:02 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I agree. It's sad that people who want to rebuild towards a real contender have to explain that they don't hate the Knicks but I can understand why you posted that.
Look i hate rebuilding because it takes time. Im also a met fan and we have bene rebuidng for 4-5 years. I just want the Knicks to have a good future. This organization constantly gets rid of first round picks for bloated contracts of overpayed players
holfresh @ 11/10/2013 1:04 PM
Knick fan, please understand, the economics are such that the Knicks will never rebuild ..It's an axiom of NY Knick basketball...Running the Garden is too costly to have it empty for years ...MSG has gone public, so stock holders to answer to...Knicks are now the currently the most valuable franchise in the NBA..Dolan isn't turning back now ...He just spend 1 billion on the Garden...U have to approach this topic with logic and with some sense of reality...
StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 1:07 PM
holfresh wrote:Knick fan, please understand, the economics are such that the Knicks will never rebuild ..It's an axiom of NY Knick basketball...Running the Garden is too costly to have it empty for years ...MSG has gone public, so stock holders to answer to...Knicks are now the currently the most valuable franchise in the NBA..Dolan isn't turning back now ...He just spend 1 billion on the Garden...U have to approach this topic with logic and with some sense of reality...
Well from 2002-2009 the knicks were always one of the worst teams in the league and people still went to the games. Id rather try and get some good young talent instea dof bloated contracts of one dimensional players taht give us the same result anyway
Bonn1997 @ 11/10/2013 1:09 PM
You don't have to be bad to rebuild. Houston lost Yao and T-Mac but never dropped below .500.
StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 1:10 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:You don't have to be bad to rebuild. Houston lost Yao and T-Mac but never dropped below .500.
Very Good Point
holfresh @ 11/10/2013 1:12 PM
Tank while the Nets go for a chip...Yeah, that's happening...
holfresh @ 11/10/2013 1:13 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:You don't have to be bad to rebuild. Houston lost Yao and T-Mac but never dropped below .500.

Or I can go thru the countless teams that didn't go the Houston route..

StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 1:15 PM
holfresh wrote:Tank while the Nets go for a chip...Yeah, that's happening...
Obviously James Dolan is a moron so i dont expect him to make things better. this is just me as a diehard knick fan hoping for the good of the teams future
holfresh @ 11/10/2013 1:18 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Tank while the Nets go for a chip...Yeah, that's happening...
Obviously James Dolan is a moron so i dont expect him to make things better. this is just me as a diehard knick fan hoping for the good of the teams future

Dolan is far from being a moron..Dolan has tripled his money last year and half ...

StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 1:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Tank while the Nets go for a chip...Yeah, that's happening...
Obviously James Dolan is a moron so i dont expect him to make things better. this is just me as a diehard knick fan hoping for the good of the teams future

Dolan is far from being a moron..Dolan has tripled his money last year and half ...

As a fan i could care less about how much him or his father has made. I just care about the team. I dont have any power over what happens, im just stating what i feel is best for the basketball team
Bonn1997 @ 11/10/2013 1:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:You don't have to be bad to rebuild. Houston lost Yao and T-Mac but never dropped below .500.

Or I can go thru the countless teams that didn't go the Houston route..


Right; they ignored the sabermetrics and suffered. I should have clarified, if you use the right pieces of information to make your decisions, you don't have to be bad to rebuild.
holfresh @ 11/10/2013 1:23 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Tank while the Nets go for a chip...Yeah, that's happening...
Obviously James Dolan is a moron so i dont expect him to make things better. this is just me as a diehard knick fan hoping for the good of the teams future

Dolan is far from being a moron..Dolan has tripled his money last year and half ...

As a fan i could care less about how much him or his father has made. I just care about the team. I dont have any power over what happens, im just stating what i feel is best for the basketball team

And as an owner, he could care less about what u think...Dolan cares about the bottom line..But that is your opinion on what is best, doesn't make u correct...
holfresh @ 11/10/2013 1:25 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:You don't have to be bad to rebuild. Houston lost Yao and T-Mac but never dropped below .500.

Or I can go thru the countless teams that didn't go the Houston route..


Right; they ignored the sabermetrics and suffered. I should have clarified, if you use the right pieces of information to make your decisions, you don't have to be bad to rebuild.

Don't u think everyone wants to ink LeBron James???...Don't u think everyone wants a guy that hits 100% of his shots???At some point reality has to set in and play the hand u are dealt...I wanted to marry Hale Berry but she is taken ...Maybe I should wait until she is free??? Reality guys...

StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 1:25 PM
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Tank while the Nets go for a chip...Yeah, that's happening...
Obviously James Dolan is a moron so i dont expect him to make things better. this is just me as a diehard knick fan hoping for the good of the teams future

Dolan is far from being a moron..Dolan has tripled his money last year and half ...

As a fan i could care less about how much him or his father has made. I just care about the team. I dont have any power over what happens, im just stating what i feel is best for the basketball team

And as an owner, he could care less about what u think...Dolan cares about the bottom line..But that is your opinion on what is best, doesn't make u correct...
I never said i had all the answers, However this team is a mess right now i think we can at least agree on that right?
holfresh @ 11/10/2013 1:26 PM
22 year old Patrick Ewing ain't walking thru the doors...
StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 1:27 PM
holfresh wrote:22 year old Patrick Ewing ain't walking thru the doors...
Rick Pitino
Bonn1997 @ 11/10/2013 1:28 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:You don't have to be bad to rebuild. Houston lost Yao and T-Mac but never dropped below .500.

Or I can go thru the countless teams that didn't go the Houston route..


Right; they ignored the sabermetrics and suffered. I should have clarified, if you use the right pieces of information to make your decisions, you don't have to be bad to rebuild.

Don't u think everyone wants to ink LeBron James???...Don't u think everyone wants a guy that hits 100% of his shots???At some point reality has to set in and play the hand u are dealt...I wanted to marry Hale Berry but she is taken ...Maybe I should wait until she is free??? Reality guys...


Gee, I never realized everyone wants Lebron.
Seriously that has nothing to do with the conversation. I don't think anything you said does.
holfresh @ 11/10/2013 1:28 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Tank while the Nets go for a chip...Yeah, that's happening...
Obviously James Dolan is a moron so i dont expect him to make things better. this is just me as a diehard knick fan hoping for the good of the teams future

Dolan is far from being a moron..Dolan has tripled his money last year and half ...

As a fan i could care less about how much him or his father has made. I just care about the team. I dont have any power over what happens, im just stating what i feel is best for the basketball team

And as an owner, he could care less about what u think...Dolan cares about the bottom line..But that is your opinion on what is best, doesn't make u correct...
I never said i had all the answers, However this team is a mess right now i think we can at least agree on that right?

The guy u wanted running the show and whose plan u endorsed signed Amare, who happens to be the reason we can't compete...Can we agree on that???

StarksEwing1 @ 11/10/2013 1:30 PM
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Tank while the Nets go for a chip...Yeah, that's happening...
Obviously James Dolan is a moron so i dont expect him to make things better. this is just me as a diehard knick fan hoping for the good of the teams future

Dolan is far from being a moron..Dolan has tripled his money last year and half ...

As a fan i could care less about how much him or his father has made. I just care about the team. I dont have any power over what happens, im just stating what i feel is best for the basketball team

And as an owner, he could care less about what u think...Dolan cares about the bottom line..But that is your opinion on what is best, doesn't make u correct...
I never said i had all the answers, However this team is a mess right now i think we can at least agree on that right?

The guy u wanted running the show and whose plan u endorsed signed Amare who is the reason we can't compete...Can we agree on that???

I never said i wnated Donnie walsh running teh show. Believe me i gave him plenty of criticism for the Amare signing as well as using the amnesty on billups instead of amare
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