earthmansurfer wrote:I wish we had a really good PG on the team. That could put us over the top. Do we have the pieces to get Lin, Dragic, or anyone in that class? It would take Shump & ? (Sort of ironic, don't ya think?)
Just out of curiosity, what would posters prefer:
a great passing PG who can't defend
or
An average to poor ish passer who can lock down opposing PG's?
Basically what do people think is the perfect PG for this team? A Rubio type? Rondo?
We need someone who can keep opposing point guards out the lane. You can live with a starting lineup of defensive stragglers if you're solid at PG and center. Woody's defensive strategy wouldn't be that bad if the opposing team's point guard didn't look like Moses every time down the lane.
If Shuumpert keeps rackin up assists, we should slide him over to the PG spot and let Felton come off the bench with the second unit. Maybe we gave up too soon on Shump at the PG experiment. If the PG spot gave 7 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds and lock down D each game, I'm sure you could live with that. We need a different player at SF. Any suggestions?
Allanfan20@ 11/14/2013 1:39 PM
smackeddog wrote:Speaking of awful defense, has anyone seen this Harden video- the worst defense I've seen outside of a Knicks game in quite some time! I hope he plays some of it tonight!:
Terrible! He even ends up clapping to himself instead of paying attention to the player he's meant to be guarding, who by that point at the other side of the court!
Stephon Marbury played better defense than that.
jrodmc@ 11/14/2013 2:06 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I wish we had a really good PG on the team. That could put us over the top. Do we have the pieces to get Lin, Dragic, or anyone in that class? It would take Shump & ? (Sort of ironic, don't ya think?)
Just out of curiosity, what would posters prefer:
a great passing PG who can't defend
or
An average to poor ish passer who can lock down opposing PG's?
Basically what do people think is the perfect PG for this team? A Rubio type? Rondo?
We need someone who can keep opposing point guards out the lane. You can live with a starting lineup of defensive stragglers if you're solid at PG and center. Woody's defensive strategy wouldn't be that bad if the opposing team's point guard didn't look like Moses every time down the lane.
If Shuumpert keeps rackin up assists, we should slide him over to the PG spot and let Felton come off the bench with the second unit. Maybe we gave up too soon on Shump at the PG experiment. If the PG spot gave 7 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds and lock down D each game, I'm sure you could live with that. We need a different player at SF. Any suggestions?
+11 This, factorial!
Several of us in the Homer contingent have been clamoring for this since he came back from injury.
Ummm, Metta or Melo at SF?
Allanfan20@ 11/14/2013 2:22 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I wish we had a really good PG on the team. That could put us over the top. Do we have the pieces to get Lin, Dragic, or anyone in that class? It would take Shump & ? (Sort of ironic, don't ya think?)
Just out of curiosity, what would posters prefer:
a great passing PG who can't defend
or
An average to poor ish passer who can lock down opposing PG's?
Basically what do people think is the perfect PG for this team? A Rubio type? Rondo?
We need someone who can keep opposing point guards out the lane. You can live with a starting lineup of defensive stragglers if you're solid at PG and center. Woody's defensive strategy wouldn't be that bad if the opposing team's point guard didn't look like Moses every time down the lane.
If Shuumpert keeps rackin up assists, we should slide him over to the PG spot and let Felton come off the bench with the second unit. Maybe we gave up too soon on Shump at the PG experiment. If the PG spot gave 7 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds and lock down D each game, I'm sure you could live with that. We need a different player at SF. Any suggestions?
+11 This, factorial!
Several of us in the Homer contingent have been clamoring for this since he came back from injury.
Ummm, Metta or Melo at SF?
I still think Shumpert is a better shooting guard but I never had a problem with him playing spot up PG minutes. He seems to play pretty decent. He played excellent last night despite the shooting numbers.
dk7th@ 11/14/2013 2:32 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
arkrud wrote: He is adequate but replaceable. At least he is always paling with hart. This deserves kudos by itself. He needs a good PG coach... not Woody to over-perform. And Woody need Kidd-like PG to win games. He is clueless on offense. Felton will not help him with this.
arkrud, on a total sidenote, can we talk about your grammar for a minute? Are your misspelled words and choppy sentences there for comedic effect of some kind? Do you drop tranquilizers before typing here? Or is there another legitimate reason for this? English as a second language maybe? (This last one is not a dickhead comment, even if it seems like one)
russian or another slavic language is his first language. you can tell by the way he drops his definite articles (the) and the way he sounds out words that he has heard but not read. short I becomes long E and long E becomes short I is evidence of this, among other tics.
he speaks great basketball and has a thorough understanding of the knick situation though!
fishmike@ 11/14/2013 2:47 PM
getting assists and playing PG are not the same thing. Shump has shown very poor judgement anytime he runs plays. Drive and kick? Thats one thing... seeing the floor and running and offense is something else entirely.
PGs are like NFL QBs. There are 5 elite ones. 5 others who are damn good and you can win with. The next 10 are ok and the bottom 10 are guys who arent really PGs in the true sense of the word.
At this point Felton is the bottom 10. This was a guy I was really wrong about. When MDA was here and he was playing great the thing I hated most abouth that trade was losing a pretty young Felton for a very old Billups. Man was I wrong... Felton is nothing but a stop gap. I do not view this guy as a core player in any way shape or form.
knicks1248@ 11/15/2013 9:38 AM
I'm not so sure it's felton's D that needs help. I think our overall philosophy on d needs to change.
I watch chandler parson torch shump, more then lin or beverly torch felton. felton plays his man way to close, a simple crossover he gets a blow by. But thats the case with all of our guards, there either crowd there man or leave to much room.
clearly woods should be instructing his team to trap way more then we do, or pressing the ball handler full court.
Bonn1997@ 11/15/2013 10:00 AM
So where's Holfresh these days?!
VCoug@ 11/15/2013 11:52 AM
No! To Shumpert playing PG; he cannot run an offense and we need to stop trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Shumpert is a shooting guard and we need to continue to develop him as a shooting guard. In parts of three seasons plus his college career he has never shown any point guard instincts whatsoever.
knicks1248@ 11/15/2013 12:13 PM
VCoug wrote:No! To Shumpert playing PG; he cannot run an offense and we need to stop trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Shumpert is a shooting guard and we need to continue to develop him as a shooting guard. In parts of three seasons plus his college career he has never shown any point guard instincts whatsoever.
Any avg pg is going to look extremely bad in this offensive system. felton is an avg pg playing in a system that benefits ISO players.
It's a reason why felton played at a high level under MDA, his system revolve around ball movement and player movement, screens and PnR, and a more spread out offense
Woodson system revolves around ISO Melo, Iso Shumpert, Iso Jr a couple PnR's here and there..
