Seem we are going that direction
Nope no pick next year. If the draft takes place in an even numbered year you can be pretty sure we're not participating. Such is extended way of Knicks basketball.
I think Denver would get Wiggins in this scenario. Is there any protection on the pick we gave them?
We traded our draft picks. We don't have a pick.
The best thing we can do is blow it up and try to get a 1st rd pick but we are not getting wiggins or any of those guys.
We have next years pick only because the NBA does not allow you to trade picks in consecutive years
So trade everyone for young talent and hopefully a pick this year and then hopefully get lucky in next years draft. Then in 2yrs after 2015 sign some championship caliber free agents
^This is what the Knicks should do
What they will do is:
Fire the coach tonight
Promote or hire another yes man coach
Trade Shumpert for a bandaid
Get Tyson back
Make the playoffs and get bounced 1st or 2nd round
Sign Melo to a max contract extension at around $30mil per year taking up more than 1/3 of the cap
Maybe compete in 2055 when Dolan is old
hey but we were told either we trade for carmelo or we would suck.....
funny thing is, we made the trade, and today...... we suck.. with no pick...in this draft... wow
I thought it was a swap with Denver? If the Knicks have a higher pick it goes to Denver.
masud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I think Denver would get Wiggins in this scenario. Is there any protection on the pick we gave them?
Nope
Brilliant, it's like the Eddy Curry trade never happened- glad Dolan never learnt anything from that experience.
Vmart wrote:I thought it was a swap with Denver? If the Knicks have a higher pick it goes to Denver.
I think that's still to come in 2016. I think 2014 we give the pick outright, and then 2016 we swap (but then we gave away what we're left to to Toronto in the Bargs trade), as we demonstrated with our excellent track record over the past 12 years, first round picks are completely unnecessary and should be traded away unnecessarily at the first opportunity as a courtesy to the other team for answering your phone call.
smackeddog wrote:Vmart wrote:I thought it was a swap with Denver? If the Knicks have a higher pick it goes to Denver.
I think that's still to come in 2016. I think 2014 we give the pick outright, and then 2016 we swap (but then we gave away what we're left to to Toronto in the Bargs trade), as we demonstrated with our excellent track record over the past 12 years, first round picks are completely unnecessary and should be traded away unnecessarily at the first opportunity as a courtesy to the other team for answering your phone call.
EXACTLY, this is an unprotected pick...the 2016 was the swap, but we traded that away picks for Bargs.... so we have no picks at all in those two years I think.. 2014/2016
tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:Vmart wrote:I thought it was a swap with Denver? If the Knicks have a higher pick it goes to Denver.
I think that's still to come in 2016. I think 2014 we give the pick outright, and then 2016 we swap (but then we gave away what we're left to to Toronto in the Bargs trade), as we demonstrated with our excellent track record over the past 12 years, first round picks are completely unnecessary and should be traded away unnecessarily at the first opportunity as a courtesy to the other team for answering your phone call.
EXACTLY, this is an unprotected pick...the 2016 was the swap, but we traded that away picks for Bargs.... so we have no picks at all in those two years I think.. 2014/2016
I swear we're the only team in the nba that doesn't bother protecting the picks that we trade- everyone else seems to at least get top 3 protected- sometimes even top 10! What is so hard about this basic concept that so escapes the Knicks?!
smackeddog wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:Vmart wrote:I thought it was a swap with Denver? If the Knicks have a higher pick it goes to Denver.
I think that's still to come in 2016. I think 2014 we give the pick outright, and then 2016 we swap (but then we gave away what we're left to to Toronto in the Bargs trade), as we demonstrated with our excellent track record over the past 12 years, first round picks are completely unnecessary and should be traded away unnecessarily at the first opportunity as a courtesy to the other team for answering your phone call.
EXACTLY, this is an unprotected pick...the 2016 was the swap, but we traded that away picks for Bargs.... so we have no picks at all in those two years I think.. 2014/2016
I swear we're the only team in the nba that doesn't bother protecting the picks that we trade- everyone else seems to at least get top 3 protected- sometimes even top 10! What is so hard about this basic concept that so escapes the Knicks?!
desperation, they (dolan) wanted to get this deal so bad, he would have given up protection on every pick, even if we were guaranteed to get a top 5 pick.. LOL...
It just highlights the way we do business... people look at my criticism of this as if carmelo is a bum.. He isn't a bum, but he isn't a star player,and not one you pay this kind of price for... I just want people to realize what we did.. and I am not going to argue how good chandler, gallo and moz are because they all were extended by denver and their record has been better than ours since the trade...so I will leave it at that..
but not just the players, the expiring curry contract, the 2014 unprotected pick, the second round picks, the 2016 swap.. to me, that is just irresponsible..... and then we take the swap and trade it for Bargnani, which IMO is just as criminal... completely irresponsible.. it is as if we just won't stop!!! if we could trade the 2015 pick, I bet it would have been gone by now..
The problem wasn't the pursuit of Carmelo or the package that was given up. The problem was signing Amare Stoudamire to a 5-year guaranteed contract when his knee issues were well-known.
y2zipper wrote:The problem wasn't the pursuit of Carmelo or the package that was given up. The problem was signing Amare Stoudamire to a 5-year guaranteed contract when his knee issues were well-known.
actually it wasn't, because had we not made the trade, we could have amnestied amare.. we would have still had picks and cap space to make moves with... all the moves after amare were not smart..
