Knicks · dolan is the owner, so why are you a fan? (page 2)

The Knicks dysfunction actually made me lose interest in the NBA.

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djsunyc wrote:serious question...there is about a 99.9% chance this team will never be successful under dolan.

so...if team success is what you are looking for as a fan, why stick around?

is it b/c of some loyalty during your formative years as a sports fan? is that enough of a reason to stick with a team? foolish pride? fake bravado?

why sink with the ship instead of finding a better situation?

i'm curious behind the psychology of it...this is truly a doom and more doom situation with this owner. there is no light at the end of the tunnel. and in the nba, you can not overcome poor ownership (unlike baseball and football).

If only it were that easy.

Some guys here have spent most of their lives, many prior to Dolan becoming the owner, rooting for this team. Not only that, the constant posting, reading, arguing with friends, watching games, halftime shows, post game shows, summer leagues, etc etc etc, has filled our brains with Knicks knowledge. Most fans can tell you what happened during memorable games. These games are embedded in our memories. How do you just erase all that information, knowledge, sacrifice (of time, money, resources), memories, and just start rooting for another team?

Go try it. No matter what, unless you are a non-commitment type (and if you are, you wouldn't have been rooting for the Knicks this long to begin with....these bandwagon hoppers call themselves "fans of players", not teams) you won't have that same feeling rooting for, say the Heat or OKC. Every win will be a hollow win, because you know deep down inside, you really don't want this.

Why am I a fan? No choice, was born NYK since the womb.

Daddy sat me in front of the TV watching BK and Pat Ewing on CBS, followed by the epic 90s Knicks with the iconic NBA on NBC. Continued to pledge my allegiance to the orange and blue, but really started to waver in the 00's with all the scandals, mismanagement, and losing seasons.

The 10's saw some upticks each year, but in 2013 we could very very well crash and burn. Only saving grace this season, is we're in the Atlantic Division.

Hoping for some luck(doubtful) with letting contracts expire, let this unit run it's course, don't give Melo $30mill/year, and possibly build on something in 2015. Pipe dream, I know, but it's the only thing we can hold on to as fans...

Jaysis, you know things are bad when Chuck starts having his doubts...

Why am I fan? No clue but I think I'm done with the game. A person can only take so much!

1) Dolan doesn't play basketball.
2) It's not the NY Dolans
3) I've been a Knick fan my whole life. Don't follow or truly care about any other NBA team.
4) College basketball is for aholes. Yeah, I said it. The pro game is all there is. I know it's unrelated.
5) No other team has their history.
6) The Mecca is the mecca.
7) You don't get to pick where you're born. It's geographical. They are the only home team I've ever known.
8) Frontrunning/entitlement/prissysheetwhining to me is as attractive and nauseous as homerism is to most of you.
9) Clyde.
10) Willis.
11) Debusschere. And the First Lottery Moment.
12) Bradley.
13) BK.
14) Ewing.
15) Starks.
16) Oakley.
17) MJackson.
18) Spree.
19) Played one on one with Clinton Wheeler.
20) Worked out with Butch Beard.

jrodmc wrote:1) Dolan doesn't play basketball.
2) It's not the NY Dolans
3) I've been a Knick fan my whole life. Don't follow or truly care about any other NBA team.
4) College basketball is for aholes. Yeah, I said it. The pro game is all there is. I know it's unrelated.
5) No other team has their history.
6) The Mecca is the mecca.
7) You don't get to pick where you're born. It's geographical. They are the only home team I've ever known.
8) Frontrunning/entitlement/prissysheetwhining to me is as attractive and nauseous as homerism is to most of you.
9) Clyde.
10) Willis.
11) Debusschere. And the First Lottery Moment.
12) Bradley.
13) BK.
14) Ewing.
15) Starks.
16) Oakley.
17) MJackson.
18) Spree.
19) Played one on one with Clinton Wheeler.
20) Worked out with Butch Beard.

College basketball is better than the pros. Its more exciting and nothing compares to a 1 and done tournament. No salary cap and anyone can win it now.

Dagger wrote:

djsunyc wrote:serious question...there is about a 99.9% chance this team will never be successful under dolan.

so...if team success is what you are looking for as a fan, why stick around?

is it b/c of some loyalty during your formative years as a sports fan? is that enough of a reason to stick with a team? foolish pride? fake bravado?

why sink with the ship instead of finding a better situation?

i'm curious behind the psychology of it...this is truly a doom and more doom situation with this owner. there is no light at the end of the tunnel. and in the nba, you can not overcome poor ownership (unlike baseball and football).

Because being a fan loses all meaning if you switch teams every time there's a new flavor of the month. Why are you a fan of the craptors when they suck just as much?

b/c team success is not my driving force to being a fan.

anrst wrote:he might own the team, technically, but its not his team. its our team. the team is us. the team is the fans. the fans are the team. the team is about the link between fans who share the blue and orange experience. its the shared experience -- even when bad -- that is why we stick together for the hope for an ultimate payoff that is well worth it. b/c its only worth it if you stick it out with a community.

ok...so you are describing it as a symbiotic relationship. but what if one half of that relationship really doesn't give two craps about you and every action it's taken over the past 13 years is indicative of it? why choose to remain in said relationship?

djsunyc wrote:

anrst wrote:he might own the team, technically, but its not his team. its our team. the team is us. the team is the fans. the fans are the team. the team is about the link between fans who share the blue and orange experience. its the shared experience -- even when bad -- that is why we stick together for the hope for an ultimate payoff that is well worth it. b/c its only worth it if you stick it out with a community.

ok...so you are describing it as a symbiotic relationship. but what if one half of that relationship really doesn't give two craps about you and every action it's taken over the past 13 years is indicative of it? why choose to remain in said relationship?

Im emotionally attached to the Knicks. However as you described above this has become an abusive relationship. So I dont go. I wont pay for games. Only time Ive gone is when I got free seats. When it gets really bad I just stop watching the sport.

I probably watched 4-5 hours of baseball total this season. There was nothing really worth watching as Yankee fan except my old heroes playing out the string, which didnt interest me much. I caught a little Mariano here and there.

What makes the Knicks so tough is we have gotten tastes, little tastes of what happens when competent people are allowed to run things. Walsh turned this team around and had us one offseason away from an epic rebuild but Dolan stepped in and yacked things up.

Last year Grunwald pushed all the right buttons, guys were left alone to do their jobs and the players responded with 54 wins and round 2. Then Dolan steps in again and the team is responding.

I am fun of good people. People of character.
I do not need them to win all the time but do the best they can.
The only people of this kind left in Knicks organization are Shrump and may be Tyson.
Like to listen to Clyde... he is the only thing left from MSG bbal. All the rest garbage.
Fortunately Dolan and hockey cannot mesh. If he will try to intervene can be admitted to hospital very fast.
So - Go Rangers!!!

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:1) Dolan doesn't play basketball.
2) It's not the NY Dolans
3) I've been a Knick fan my whole life. Don't follow or truly care about any other NBA team.
4) College basketball is for aholes. Yeah, I said it. The pro game is all there is. I know it's unrelated.
5) No other team has their history.
6) The Mecca is the mecca.
7) You don't get to pick where you're born. It's geographical. They are the only home team I've ever known.
8) Frontrunning/entitlement/prissysheetwhining to me is as attractive and nauseous as homerism is to most of you.
9) Clyde.
10) Willis.
11) Debusschere. And the First Lottery Moment.
12) Bradley.
13) BK.
14) Ewing.
15) Starks.
16) Oakley.
17) MJackson.
18) Spree.
19) Played one on one with Clinton Wheeler.
20) Worked out with Butch Beard.

College basketball is better than the pros. Its more exciting and nothing compares to a 1 and done tournament. No salary cap and anyone can win it now.

haha... college sports are dirty too.

sidsanders wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:1) Dolan doesn't play basketball.
2) It's not the NY Dolans
3) I've been a Knick fan my whole life. Don't follow or truly care about any other NBA team.
4) College basketball is for aholes. Yeah, I said it. The pro game is all there is. I know it's unrelated.
5) No other team has their history.
6) The Mecca is the mecca.
7) You don't get to pick where you're born. It's geographical. They are the only home team I've ever known.
8) Frontrunning/entitlement/prissysheetwhining to me is as attractive and nauseous as homerism is to most of you.
9) Clyde.
10) Willis.
11) Debusschere. And the First Lottery Moment.
12) Bradley.
13) BK.
14) Ewing.
15) Starks.
16) Oakley.
17) MJackson.
18) Spree.
19) Played one on one with Clinton Wheeler.
20) Worked out with Butch Beard.

College basketball is better than the pros. Its more exciting and nothing compares to a 1 and done tournament. No salary cap and anyone can win it now.

haha... college sports are dirty too.

Yeah, it's so... pure.

rah rah siss boom bah

What it comes down to really, for me, to keep rooting for the Knicks is that old battle of good vs. evil. Despite an evil backdrop and JR's undoings from time to time, I view these Knicks as still on the side of good. As King Theoden awoke from the poison in The Lord of the Rings, it looked to me that the Knicks had shaken off whatever poison had seemed to infiltrate down so far this season.

From the Pacers game on Wednesday, it felt like they found themselves and the way they battled reminded me of last years team. It took the Pacers to wake them up. I feel they'll turn it around now.

Examples of what I have viewed over the years and now as good and evil teams:

Larry Bird, Cedric Maxwell.................Celtics Evil
Magic Johnson, Pat Riley...................Lakers Evil
Dr. J, Mo Cheeks...........................76ers Good
Michael Jordon, Scottie Pippin.............Bulls Evil
Patrick Ewing, Pat Riley (took quite a while to come to grips with this but actually came to think of him as a good guy until he
proved he wasn't later)....................Knicks Good (maybe a touch of evil when Starks and Mason got out of control)
Tim Hardaway, Pat Riley....................Heat Evil
Tim Duncan, Greg Popovich..................Spurs Good
Roy Hibbert, Paul George...................Pacers Good (except Stephenson and Vogel)
even though they're a heated rival, I have to admit their good outweighs the bad
Entire Roster(except Oden), Pat Riley......Heat Evil

Balroy wrote:What it comes down to really, for me, to keep rooting for the Knicks is that old battle of good vs. evil. Despite an evil backdrop and JR's undoings from time to time, I view these Knicks as still on the side of good. As King Theoden awoke from the poison in The Lord of the Rings, it looked to me that the Knicks had shaken off whatever poison had seemed to infiltrate down so far this season.

From the Pacers game on Wednesday, it felt like they found themselves and the way they battled reminded me of last years team. It took the Pacers to wake them up. I feel they'll turn it around now.

Examples of what I have viewed over the years and now as good and evil teams:

Larry Bird, Cedric Maxwell.................Celtics Evil
Magic Johnson, Pat Riley...................Lakers Evil
Dr. J, Mo Cheeks...........................76ers Good
Michael Jordon, Scottie Pippin.............Bulls Evil
Patrick Ewing, Pat Riley (took quite a while to come to grips with this but actually came to think of him as a good guy until he
proved he wasn't later)....................Knicks Good (maybe a touch of evil when Starks and Mason got out of control)
Tim Hardaway, Pat Riley....................Heat Evil
Tim Duncan, Greg Popovich..................Spurs Good
Roy Hibbert, Paul George...................Pacers Good (except Stephenson and Vogel)
even though they're a heated rival, I have to admit their good outweighs the bad
Entire Roster(except Oden), Pat Riley......Heat Evil

Knicks are not good and not evil... they are just sad and boring.
Isiah/Steph were evil with JJ/Eddy comic relive

arkrud wrote:

Knicks are not good and not evil... they are just sad and boring.

There have been bright spots. Beno's performance, particularly, on Wed. was very entertaining. Would love to see that fast break Woodson talked about at camp. HJr. and Shumpert could really get out on the wings but who's going to push the ball? The sad part is so true but when the shots start falling, it's got to turn into a happy place.

anrst wrote:he might own the team, technically, but its not his team. its our team. the team is us. the team is the fans. the fans are the team. the team is about the link between fans who share the blue and orange experience. its the shared experience -- even when bad -- that is why we stick together for the hope for an ultimate payoff that is well worth it. b/c its only worth it if you stick it out with a community.

^ Pretty much this.

I have been through so much with this team over my lifetime, going back to the 1970s, that the fact that Dolan is the owner now has no affect on me in terms of my rooting for the Knicks. It is not even a thought to me that I would switch teams because of the owner.

When I was a kid in the mid-70s, I used to watch Friday night games with my dad on his on his 12-inch black and white TV in his bedroom. My dad and I were at the Garden the night Bernard poured in 60 against the Nets on Christmas (we lost anyway, of course). My brother and I were at every home game of the 1984 playoffs, when Bernard and the Knicks beat Isiah and the Pistons in a classic five-game series (best-of-five back then) before taking the Bird-McHale-Parish Celtics to seven games in the second round. My brother and I shared season tickets throughout the 90s. No championships won, but a boatload of amazing memories.

So the Knicks have been such a huge, huge part of my life that switching teams is not even a remote thought -- Dolan or no Dolan.

Bad owners and bad teams are part of the game.

Eventually things will turn.

They always do, which is the real beauty of sports.

arkrud wrote:I am fun of good people.

^^^^^^^^
This! All day!

thanks, arkrud. You are being of humor sublime. I know this just.

Im less of a fan every year.

Have the press been alerted?

jrodmc wrote:Have the press been alerted?

They are censored!