Looks like we're about to embrace metrics- Bonn1997 for GM!
I liked that he spoke out for Amar'e. hopefully Amar'e reads it- he looks to be in a permanently foul mood these days (don't blame him).
IT never to return.
Utter BS when talking about the importance of patience!
I'm actually curious now about his new modern approach to team building he's talking about. We'll probably see an example of this at the trade deadline. There will be a lot of HUGE decisions needing to be made over the next few years.
JD: I didn’t time it, per se, like that. I’m surprised other folks were surprised about this. The general manager’s work doesn’t really occur at that time of year. If you’re going to change general managers that’s probably the right time to do it. The next available trade date is Dec. 15. You’ve just finished free agency and all that. It’s a lull period. The timing didn’t really have much to do with that. It was more about an initiative I have going on with both teams that I hired McKinsey & Company [a Manhattan-based global management consulting firm] for, because as I’ve gotten to look at both our organizations, it’s become apparent that we really need to reprocess both teams. We were using a lot of — not old, but “classic” methods and now with technology, and what’s available to a team to help improve, I didn’t think we were taking advantage of those things.
MV: So in evaluating these business solutions you came to the conclusion Glen Grunwald was lacking and Steve Mills a better fit?
JD: I hired McKinsey in the summer, and Glen is more of a “classic” GM, and he just wasn’t the guy to lead this initiative for the team, and it had to be someone in that position who could do it because I wasn’t going to do it. It needed someone behind it, someone who understood it, and that just wasn’t Glen’s forte. I think he was a good general manager, he’s got a great eye for talent, he knows basketball well, but the job description changed.
So I wanna see what this new "Initiative" actually produces for this team. Dolan has put his money and faith behind these guys. Nothing else Dolan has done has worked. I can understand him wanting to try something new.
nixluva wrote:I'm actually curious now about his new modern approach to team building he's talking about. We'll probably see an example of this at the trade deadline. There will be a lot of HUGE decisions needing to be made over the next few years. JD: I didn’t time it, per se, like that. I’m surprised other folks were surprised about this. The general manager’s work doesn’t really occur at that time of year. If you’re going to change general managers that’s probably the right time to do it. The next available trade date is Dec. 15. You’ve just finished free agency and all that. It’s a lull period. The timing didn’t really have much to do with that. It was more about an initiative I have going on with both teams that I hired McKinsey & Company [a Manhattan-based global management consulting firm] for, because as I’ve gotten to look at both our organizations, it’s become apparent that we really need to reprocess both teams. We were using a lot of — not old, but “classic” methods and now with technology, and what’s available to a team to help improve, I didn’t think we were taking advantage of those things.
MV: So in evaluating these business solutions you came to the conclusion Glen Grunwald was lacking and Steve Mills a better fit?
JD: I hired McKinsey in the summer, and Glen is more of a “classic” GM, and he just wasn’t the guy to lead this initiative for the team, and it had to be someone in that position who could do it because I wasn’t going to do it. It needed someone behind it, someone who understood it, and that just wasn’t Glen’s forte. I think he was a good general manager, he’s got a great eye for talent, he knows basketball well, but the job description changed.
So I wanna see what this new "Initiative" actually produces for this team. Dolan has put his money and faith behind these guys. Nothing else Dolan has done has worked. I can understand him wanting to try something new.
Thing that doesn't make sense is, how the heck is Steve Mills better qualified to lead these changes?!
smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:I'm actually curious now about his new modern approach to team building he's talking about. We'll probably see an example of this at the trade deadline. There will be a lot of HUGE decisions needing to be made over the next few years. JD: I didn’t time it, per se, like that. I’m surprised other folks were surprised about this. The general manager’s work doesn’t really occur at that time of year. If you’re going to change general managers that’s probably the right time to do it. The next available trade date is Dec. 15. You’ve just finished free agency and all that. It’s a lull period. The timing didn’t really have much to do with that. It was more about an initiative I have going on with both teams that I hired McKinsey & Company [a Manhattan-based global management consulting firm] for, because as I’ve gotten to look at both our organizations, it’s become apparent that we really need to reprocess both teams. We were using a lot of — not old, but “classic” methods and now with technology, and what’s available to a team to help improve, I didn’t think we were taking advantage of those things.
MV: So in evaluating these business solutions you came to the conclusion Glen Grunwald was lacking and Steve Mills a better fit?
JD: I hired McKinsey in the summer, and Glen is more of a “classic” GM, and he just wasn’t the guy to lead this initiative for the team, and it had to be someone in that position who could do it because I wasn’t going to do it. It needed someone behind it, someone who understood it, and that just wasn’t Glen’s forte. I think he was a good general manager, he’s got a great eye for talent, he knows basketball well, but the job description changed.
So I wanna see what this new "Initiative" actually produces for this team. Dolan has put his money and faith behind these guys. Nothing else Dolan has done has worked. I can understand him wanting to try something new.
Thing that doesn't make sense is, how the heck is Steve Mills better qualified to lead these changes?!
Apparently Mills is a huge Sabre Metrics guy. You know all up on the analytics and the Interweb Machines. He's got it all worked out on his Palm or Blackberry or Beeeper thingy. Really tho I don't know what qualifies Mills as some team building savant.
So Dolan is saying Mills spent all these years studying analytical? Because his approach last time didn't really go too well I'd say.
Watch.. The Knicks idea of sabermetrics will be to give Melo $30mil
per without a fight
gunsnewing wrote:So Dolan is saying Mills spent all these years studying analytical? Because his approach last time didn't really go too well I'd say. Watch.. The Knicks idea of sabermetrics will be to give Melo $30mkl per without a fight
Howard beck is calling BS on this claim by Dolan- said Grunnie was into analytics and was the first Knicks GM to emphasise them.
Yea it's easier for me to buy that Grunwald was the first to suggest we move to a more analytical approach.
Mills? Ha! He has no GM experience. He was president of msg and handled the business and marketing side
I have no idea how he is the guy chosen to pull us out of this mess.
Unless he is going to hire a GM who is very good with the analytics maybe H20 has been doing his homework and is ready
Then I will give Mills credit. If he is the GM we are doomed. Things will hit rock bottom again
smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:So Dolan is saying Mills spent all these years studying analytical? Because his approach last time didn't really go too well I'd say. Watch.. The Knicks idea of sabermetrics will be to give Melo $30mkl per without a fight
Howard beck is calling BS on this claim by Dolan- said Grunnie was into analytics and was the first Knicks GM to emphasise them.
Agree with Beck that this is utter BS. Grunwald is closer to 50 than 80 for Chrissakes, contemporaneous with the ascendancy of advanced statistics. This was a crony move by Dolan pure and simple.
smackeddog wrote:Looks like we're about to embrace metrics- Bonn1997 for GM!I liked that he spoke out for Amar'e. hopefully Amar'e reads it- he looks to be in a permanently foul mood these days (don't blame him).
IT never to return.
Utter BS when talking about the importance of patience!
Where did it says this stuff about Mills and advanced metrics. (Sorry I can't bear to read through everything Dolan said a second time to check for this.)
Who knows who cares.
Really sounds like an egotistical control freak with a Napolean complex. Hey Jim consider using your cash on Sam Presti--look what he built in Oklahoma with very little cash--ten years of great basketball. With all of the back and forth--we couldve just hired a guy like him and let him do his thing. The main reason why we were good for a decade was the draft and Pat Riley's management system . Teams that are good in pro sports have good men behind the team. Is Steve Mills a proven GM who wins---ah no. And please stop kissing Carmelo's buttocks--he is NOT Lebron James. We will live with you giving Carmelo 30 mmm into his mid 30's of which he will be good for 3 years on a downhill slope and the Knicks will be a .500 team.
dk7th wrote:This was a crony move by Dolan pure and simple.
You mean like, _every_ move Dolan _ever_ makes? It's the only management skill you know when the only qualification you have for your own job is that it was handed down from your pappy.
Ever wonder why Dolan wasn't put in charge of Cablevision? His other family members are actually smart and don't want him killing the golden goose. The Knicks (unfortunately for us) seem to be able to just continue being profitable no matter what happens. That's the perfect situation to stick your troglodyte progeny so that they can be part of the family business.
Well I found this:
Mills has his own ideas, of course. To start, he expressed a desire to incorporate more analytics into the fabric of the team. He said he believes in the power of numbers, citing the influence of Dean Oliver’s seminal book on the topic, “Basketball on Paper: Rules and Tools for Performance Analysis.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/sports...I'd rather the Knicks hired a real metrics expert but this statement gives me some hope.
Was Mills involved in the Aldrich signing or was that before him?
Bonn1997 wrote:Well I found this:
Mills has his own ideas, of course. To start, he expressed a desire to incorporate more analytics into the fabric of the team. He said he believes in the power of numbers, citing the influence of Dean Oliver’s seminal book on the topic, “Basketball on Paper: Rules and Tools for Performance Analysis.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/sports...
I'd rather the Knicks hired a real metrics expert but this statement gives me some hope.
Was Mills involved in the Aldrich signing or was that before him?
You should love this move then..Not only is Dolan tuning in metrics, according to SAS, Dolan was pissed at all the old guys Grunwald bought in last year..Dolan wanted the team to be younger much like this year..That was also part of the reason for the replacement before the trade deadline...
Knicksfan wrote:playa2 wrote:Knicksfan wrote:
I wish Amar'e was healthy to make his contract worth it, bu tthe truth is, his deal has been a mistake as most of this team's moves.I think "nobody" at owner is an improvement over "Dolan" as owner. Vast improvement.
You might be speaking from a fans perspective, but Dolan is speaking froma business prospective. Two different agendas Amare brought him more star power, even if it didn't mesh.
Not exactly a fans perspective but basketball perspective, but while I agree that he is talking from a business perspective, the questions are being made in a basketball sense, so he is trying to create the illusion of being in a great position basketball wise, while it isnt the case.
Yes I agree with you 100%
It's his team and his perspective is the only one that matters until fans begin to stay away from knicks games.
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Well I found this:
Mills has his own ideas, of course. To start, he expressed a desire to incorporate more analytics into the fabric of the team. He said he believes in the power of numbers, citing the influence of Dean Oliver’s seminal book on the topic, “Basketball on Paper: Rules and Tools for Performance Analysis.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/sports...
I'd rather the Knicks hired a real metrics expert but this statement gives me some hope.
Was Mills involved in the Aldrich signing or was that before him?
You should love this move then..Not only is Dolan tuning in metrics, according to SAS, Dolan was pissed at all the old guys Grunwald bought in last year..Dolan wanted the team to be younger much like this year..That was also part of the reason for the replacement before the trade deadline...
I'd love it if they hired a real metrics expert (not some guy who read a book) and Dolan ensured he'd stay out of the decision-making process. Regardless of what the metrics say, my guess is Dolan requires Mills to re-sign Melo for half the salary cap.
HOWEVER, Mills' statement is enough for me to patiently wait to see if he turns things around.
So SAS AND CO are lying that Dolan wants Shumpert gone? If you want to get younger you don't trade Shumpert
Melo would not be on this team if a metric GM was calling the shots
gunsnewing wrote:So SAS AND CO are lying that Dolan wants Shumpert gone? If you want to get younger you don't trade Shumpert
Who says Shumpert is can only be traded for an older player?
Bonn1997 wrote:He sounds drunk. I mean seriously, there's no positive way to spin it when you have an owner who's this lost
I really don’t compare myself with other owners. I’ll bet you I’m more patient than Mikhail [Prokhorov] is of his team.
You know what? I wouldn’t take last year’s team for this year’s team, because this year’s team is more designed to be a playoff team
MV: So this bad start …
JD: It’s going right according to plan
I just hope I out live him its my only chance to see a championship in my lifetime
Jmpasq wrote:
I just hope I out live him its my only chance to see a championship in my lifetime
You might get your wish, Dolan looks these days like he just came back from a 3 week bender in Atlantic City. With our luck the job will go to his son and we'll have the east coast version of Jim Buss.
smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:I'm actually curious now about his new modern approach to team building he's talking about. We'll probably see an example of this at the trade deadline. There will be a lot of HUGE decisions needing to be made over the next few years. JD: I didn’t time it, per se, like that. I’m surprised other folks were surprised about this. The general manager’s work doesn’t really occur at that time of year. If you’re going to change general managers that’s probably the right time to do it. The next available trade date is Dec. 15. You’ve just finished free agency and all that. It’s a lull period. The timing didn’t really have much to do with that. It was more about an initiative I have going on with both teams that I hired McKinsey & Company [a Manhattan-based global management consulting firm] for, because as I’ve gotten to look at both our organizations, it’s become apparent that we really need to reprocess both teams. We were using a lot of — not old, but “classic” methods and now with technology, and what’s available to a team to help improve, I didn’t think we were taking advantage of those things.
MV: So in evaluating these business solutions you came to the conclusion Glen Grunwald was lacking and Steve Mills a better fit?
JD: I hired McKinsey in the summer, and Glen is more of a “classic” GM, and he just wasn’t the guy to lead this initiative for the team, and it had to be someone in that position who could do it because I wasn’t going to do it. It needed someone behind it, someone who understood it, and that just wasn’t Glen’s forte. I think he was a good general manager, he’s got a great eye for talent, he knows basketball well, but the job description changed.
So I wanna see what this new "Initiative" actually produces for this team. Dolan has put his money and faith behind these guys. Nothing else Dolan has done has worked. I can understand him wanting to try something new.
Thing that doesn't make sense is, how the heck is Steve Mills better qualified to lead these changes?!
Its either BS or someone lied to him and he believed it hook, line and sinker. Makes you wonder if he has a ginsu or shamwow.
