Knicks · Willis Reed C Ny Knicks (page 1)

Willis Reed drafted # 8 overall 1964 NY Knicks

Walt Frazier G drafted # 5 NY 1967 Knicks

Bill Bradley F drafted By Ny Knicks 1965 territorial selection

Cazzie Russel G NY Knicks #1 pick 1966

Patrick Ewing C drafted #1 NY Knicks 1984

These draft picks are the foundation of anything that happened good for a prolonged period. Its kind of like saying Jeter Posada Mariano or Strawberry Gooden Dykstra Backman Phil Simms Lawrence Taylor Joe Klecko Mark Gastineau Joe Namath Mike Richter Brian Leetch

Thats it in a nutshell.

willis reed was a second round pick just saying

I get it though....we should rebuild through the draft...but the Knicks have to make that decision....Trading Melo, Tyson and Bargs will get you there...

That means tank.....I think we are a month and a half away from that though

BRIGGS wrote:Willis Reed drafted # 8 overall 1964 NY Knicks

Walt Frazier G drafted # 5 NY 1967 Knicks

Bill Bradley F drafted By Ny Knicks 1965 territorial selection

Cazzie Russel G NY Knicks #1 pick 1966

Patrick Ewing C drafted #1 NY Knicks 1984

These draft picks are the foundation of anything that happened good for a prolonged period. Its kind of like saying Jeter Posada Mariano or Strawberry Gooden Dykstra Backman Phil Simms Lawrence Taylor Joe Klecko Mark Gastineau Joe Namath Mike Richter Brian Leetch

Thats it in a nutshell.

Guys picked that high in the draft stayed in school longer back then and were much more mature & learned how to play the right way.They were able to handle NY and all the nightlife had to offer.

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Willis Reed drafted # 8 overall 1964 NY Knicks

Walt Frazier G drafted # 5 NY 1967 Knicks

Bill Bradley F drafted By Ny Knicks 1965 territorial selection

Cazzie Russel G NY Knicks #1 pick 1966

Patrick Ewing C drafted #1 NY Knicks 1984

These draft picks are the foundation of anything that happened good for a prolonged period. Its kind of like saying Jeter Posada Mariano or Strawberry Gooden Dykstra Backman Phil Simms Lawrence Taylor Joe Klecko Mark Gastineau Joe Namath Mike Richter Brian Leetch

Thats it in a nutshell.

Guys picked that high in the draft stayed in school longer back then and were much more mature & learned how to play the right way.They were able to handle NY and all the nightlife had to offer.

it was a different class of men in those days too....that can't be dismissed. These are our grandfathers era we're talking about. A lot of you guys were kids when these guys played. Different breed of man back then.

I've accepted that this franchise won't develop talent the way that others do, especially small market teams. Besides, you want Steve Mills making our picks? Sometimes picks are necessary to sweeten a deal. I wouldn't say that giving up picks is bad regardless of the situation. More worried about what we will do when Tyson and Stat come off the books and what cap killing talent will replace them. It could work out well or we can end up in a similar situation.

EnySpree wrote:willis reed was a second round pick just saying

Back then though, drafts went 15 rounds and there were only about 7 teams picking each round. I don't think that being picked that late was an indictment on his promise as a player; just a matter of numbers.

EnySpree wrote:

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Willis Reed drafted # 8 overall 1964 NY Knicks

Walt Frazier G drafted # 5 NY 1967 Knicks

Bill Bradley F drafted By Ny Knicks 1965 territorial selection

Cazzie Russel G NY Knicks #1 pick 1966

Patrick Ewing C drafted #1 NY Knicks 1984

These draft picks are the foundation of anything that happened good for a prolonged period. Its kind of like saying Jeter Posada Mariano or Strawberry Gooden Dykstra Backman Phil Simms Lawrence Taylor Joe Klecko Mark Gastineau Joe Namath Mike Richter Brian Leetch

Thats it in a nutshell.

Guys picked that high in the draft stayed in school longer back then and were much more mature & learned how to play the right way.They were able to handle NY and all the nightlife had to offer.

it was a different class of men in those days too....that can't be dismissed. These are our grandfathers era we're talking about. A lot of you guys were kids when these guys played. Different breed of man back then.

Are Jeter, Posada and Rivera a "different breed of man"? If it can be done as recently as the 90's in baseball, why can't we build a team in basketball during the 2010's with young guys?

Nightlife can suck the very life out of promising young ball players without established veteran leadership who play the right way on the team.

playa2 wrote:Nightlife can suck the very life out of promising young ball players without established veteran leadership who play the right way on the team.

It didn't happen with Jeter (a playboy), Posada and Mariano? Why should we presume that it'll happen with MOST picks that we make?

You can be a playboy and be a mature in your profession.

NBA guys struggle with this because the women(freaks) throw themselves at them in every city ,waiting at the bus.

I'm sure JR Smith will introduce them to all the clubs to break them in.

playa2 wrote:You can be a playboy and be a mature in your profession.

NBA guys struggle with this because the women(freaks) throw themselves at them in every city ,waiting at the bus.

I'm sure JR Smith will introduce them to all the clubs to break them in.

And they don't in baseball where stars stand to make even more money due to a lack of a salary cap? I still don't see why a NBA player can't be "a playboy and be mature" in their profession. Kobe Bryant came to prominence in L.A. and Patrick Ewing did the same in N.Y. There is precedent.

NardDogNation wrote:

playa2 wrote:You can be a playboy and be a mature in your profession.

NBA guys struggle with this because the women(freaks) throw themselves at them in every city ,waiting at the bus.

I'm sure JR Smith will introduce them to all the clubs to break them in.

And they don't in baseball where stars stand to make even more money due to a lack of a salary cap? I still don't see why a NBA player can't be "a playboy and be mature" in their profession. Kobe Bryant came to prominence in L.A. and Patrick Ewing did the same in N.Y. There is precedent.

For this players need coach and GM to get them by the balls and kick their a..sss for every little shenanigan.
Only man can make a man, snakes and ponies can make non.

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Willis Reed drafted # 8 overall 1964 NY Knicks

Walt Frazier G drafted # 5 NY 1967 Knicks

Bill Bradley F drafted By Ny Knicks 1965 territorial selection

Cazzie Russel G NY Knicks #1 pick 1966

Patrick Ewing C drafted #1 NY Knicks 1984

These draft picks are the foundation of anything that happened good for a prolonged period. Its kind of like saying Jeter Posada Mariano or Strawberry Gooden Dykstra Backman Phil Simms Lawrence Taylor Joe Klecko Mark Gastineau Joe Namath Mike Richter Brian Leetch

Thats it in a nutshell.

Guys picked that high in the draft stayed in school longer back then and were much more mature & learned how to play the right way.They were able to handle NY and all the nightlife had to offer.

it was a different class of men in those days too....that can't be dismissed. These are our grandfathers era we're talking about. A lot of you guys were kids when these guys played. Different breed of man back then.

Are Jeter, Posada and Rivera a "different breed of man"? If it can be done as recently as the 90's in baseball, why can't we build a team in basketball during the 2010's with young guys?

the 90's were 20 years ago....that generation was different too. Bernie is 45 now...Paul oneil is 50....different breed.

It's possible to do it now, but I have not faith in these kids now. That many high character kids on the same team in the same draft or consecutive drafts? I can't see it

the nightlife? nyc night life isn't what it used to be you old bastards lol....guys aren't going to be in a crack house like Michael Ray. All the big cities have big nightlife now....clubs and bars. you can have a great time anywhere.

anyway anything is possible and we should think about turning it over if this team can't turn it around by January

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Willis Reed drafted # 8 overall 1964 NY Knicks

Walt Frazier G drafted # 5 NY 1967 Knicks

Bill Bradley F drafted By Ny Knicks 1965 territorial selection

Cazzie Russel G NY Knicks #1 pick 1966

Patrick Ewing C drafted #1 NY Knicks 1984

These draft picks are the foundation of anything that happened good for a prolonged period. Its kind of like saying Jeter Posada Mariano or Strawberry Gooden Dykstra Backman Phil Simms Lawrence Taylor Joe Klecko Mark Gastineau Joe Namath Mike Richter Brian Leetch

Thats it in a nutshell.

Guys picked that high in the draft stayed in school longer back then and were much more mature & learned how to play the right way.They were able to handle NY and all the nightlife had to offer.

it was a different class of men in those days too....that can't be dismissed. These are our grandfathers era we're talking about. A lot of you guys were kids when these guys played. Different breed of man back then.

Are Jeter, Posada and Rivera a "different breed of man"? If it can be done as recently as the 90's in baseball, why can't we build a team in basketball during the 2010's with young guys?

the 90's were 20 years ago....that generation was different too. Bernie is 45 now...Paul oneil is 50....different breed.

It's possible to do it now, but I have not faith in these kids now. That many high character kids on the same team in the same draft or consecutive drafts? I can't see it

I think that the only thing that has changed is social media, which makes the crazy shit they do available to the public. If only twitter was around during Jordan's day, LMFAO.

EnySpree wrote:willis reed was a second round pick just saying

There were how many teams then?

Willis was ROY!!!!! He was Dice in this his prime!!!

4 1st rounders with only two decades between them. A truly great and novel point.

Yes, we should tank, since we're now overdue for draft pick success!

jrodmc wrote:4 1st rounders with only two decades between them. A truly great and novel point.

Yes, we should tank, since we're now overdue for draft pick success!

Me thinks the point was not to tank but to consider the true upside potential is to draft your core. Teams can also trade appreciating assets for picks also. While SAS had the incredible good fortune of getting Duncan, just as important managed his career, minutes and build around him without starphuckingly panic tactics to span a lenghthy run. You do that with draft picks and forsight. Look at the current roster and how it was constructed. Patience. Even Kwai leonard was form a pick obtained from trading George Hill. Hill put Parker on the bench at one point. They developed Hill, then traded him. They also managed their cap by doing so. Splitter is no world beater but he was picked and incubated overseas. They gave up on Dejuan Blair then pay him long term.

Not to say everything they do turns to gold, but they are thoughtful longer term.

If this is truely the mecca then fans should understand that the star system is not the way to long term success.

Thus, we are really not the "mecca", we are starphucher short term gradification revenue worshipping franchise.

While JRod preaches being patient and not panicking, and I do agree BTW, the real forces that run the franchise don't think this way.

Thus, real fans are left to stew in the somber because there is little hope under the current thinking.

If you buy stocks when they reach all time highs, your not really appreciating in value.

This is not about Denver and the trade anymore, Or the Nets and what they are or not doing, or even Melo, its about the product on the floor. Bargnani is an Isiah type trade. We keep doing the same thing with new cast of players.

I can be patient but to what end? Look forward to Tyson and Amare come off the books? A new starphuch coach? Get caught up in the hype of UK boasting of Iman "Kobe lite" Shumpart? Baron Davis to return?

Way I see it (its dark) if we pay Melo 33mil we are screwed. If we lose him we are screwed.

The Mecca don't change any of the above.