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RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't work
Spot on.
GustavBahler wrote:Novak is posting career lows in every category. Bargs is shooting better from 3 this season.
that's not his fault. it's our offense and idiot coach casey.
djsunyc wrote:Casey should be canned.GustavBahler wrote:Novak is posting career lows in every category. Bargs is shooting better from 3 this season.that's not his fault. it's our offense and idiot coach casey.
They were 3 of 20 from 3-point range against the Clippers, which was worse than usual — but not by much. Heading into Friday’s game against the Denver Nuggets, the Knicks are 25th in the league in 3-point proficiency, at 32 percent.
I miss Eddy Curry.
GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.
You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
djsunyc wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Novak is posting career lows in every category. Bargs is shooting better from 3 this season.that's not his fault. it's our offense and idiot coach casey.
And he's playing with 2 black holes (Der and Gay)... The same applies to Field btw, since he's a very talented cutter and thrived with Lin, but he's not talented enough to create his own offense. So pair him with players who don't pass and watch the car wreck.
jrodmc wrote:I miss waiting for Gallo to come off IR.
Denver is 8-6 in a much tougher conf. They're doing all right, but they do miss him.
raven wrote:jrodmc wrote:I miss waiting for Gallo to come off IR.Denver is 8-6 in a much tougher conf. They're doing all right, but they do miss him.
I might be wrong but are they doing better with McGee out? It seems like the nuggets were trying very hard to prove his signing wasn't a mistake.
raven wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.
raven wrote:jrodmc wrote:I miss waiting for Gallo to come off IR.Denver is 8-6 in a much tougher conf. They're doing all right, but they do miss him.
Exactly. They're a .550 team in a very tough conference. They'll get Gallo back and a lottery pick from us soon.
GustavBahler wrote:raven wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.
melo positions himself in the easiest spot to double....the elbow since there wont ever be a clear passing lane.
But with Novak on the court that extra defend cant leave.
melo was not doubled nearly as much last year.
knickscity wrote:GustavBahler wrote:raven wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.
melo positions himself in the easiest spot to double....the elbow since there wont ever be a clear passing lane.But with Novak on the court that extra defend cant leave.
melo was not doubled nearly as much last year.
Yea that was the point of this thread. The clowns who high jacked the thread by bringing up players from 15yrs ago missed the point.
knickscity wrote:GustavBahler wrote:raven wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.
melo positions himself in the easiest spot to double....the elbow since there wont ever be a clear passing lane.But with Novak on the court that extra defend cant leave.
melo was not doubled nearly as much last year.
No one is doubling Melo away from the rim with any frequency this season either. You guys keep saying that just the threat of Novak on the team is enough of a reason to keep him. Not buying it. Novak is very lucky to drain a 3 with someone in his face in a half court set. I count one time last season where I saw him drain a jumper from inside the arc. He can't put the ball on the floor and he's a lousy defender. Bargs puts up 20/10 with 4 blocks, does a great job on Griffin, does a better job in the 4th, but you're still talking about Novak, which some of you will change the subject to draft picks and keep changing the rationale for trading Novak.
GustavBahler wrote:raven wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.
That's a good point. Novak was rendered useless last season for that very reason. The ball moved under Dantoni and Lin and Novak lit the Garden up
gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:raven wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.
That's a good point. Novak was rendered useless last season for that very reason. The ball moved under Dantoni and Lin and Novak lit the Garden up
So we should have kept MDA and not promoted the man who in one season as coach has done a better job than MDA since before or after he left Phoenix?
GustavBahler wrote:knickscity wrote:GustavBahler wrote:raven wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.
melo positions himself in the easiest spot to double....the elbow since there wont ever be a clear passing lane.But with Novak on the court that extra defend cant leave.
melo was not doubled nearly as much last year.
No one is doubling Melo away from the rim with any frequency this season either. You guys keep saying that just the threat of Novak on the team is enough of a reason to keep him. Not buying it. Novak is very lucky to drain a 3 with someone in his face in a half court set. I count one time last season where I saw him drain a jumper from inside the arc. He can't put the ball on the floor and he's a lousy defender. Bargs puts up 20/10 with 4 blocks, does a great job on Griffin, does a better job in the 4th, but you're still talking about Novak, which some of you will change the subject to draft picks and keep changing the rationale for trading Novak.
Stats dont impress me without impact....Novak's impact without taking a single shot is better than anything Bargnani will ever put up.
This team will always be built around melo as long as he's here, so it would make sense to have more long distance threats so he can shoot his mid range j's with as few defenders around as possible.
Novak provided that, Bargs dont.
All winning teams have a Novak, none have a Bargnani.
We can cry about Novak and we should because if we could have kept Novak we would have more 3 pointers. Now for this team now the can't shoot. I repeat they can't shoot so it doesn't matter if they move the ball.
GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:raven wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't workSpot on.
Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...
Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.
That's a good point. Novak was rendered useless last season for that very reason. The ball moved under Dantoni and Lin and Novak lit the Garden up
So we should have kept MDA and not promoted the man who in one season as coach has done a better job than MDA since before or after he left Phoenix?
No. I think both coaches are flawed. I hated Dantoni stubbornness to adjust to his roster but at least Dantoni has proven that his brand of basketball is entertaining and while it may not ultimately lead to a championship against the big boy teams of the west at the time. The spurs and lakers. Dantoni at least had some deep runs
Woodson's ISO system is condusive to fattening up on the bobcats and magic of the world during the regular season but then getting completely out coached and exposed in the playoffs. Knicks were lucky to even get out of the 1st round last year. I'm not even going into his time in Atlanta.
Give me a great young coaching mind that understands today's game and players. Gets the most out of the development if his young players and doesn't alienate them like he's some kind of Bob Knight in the 1980s.
A coach that understands both ends if the floor