Knicks · i just heard Stephen A say he wishes NY still had Jeremy Lin (page 3)

Syniko wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea who would want Lin when you have the great Raymond Felton

Patrick Beverly starts ahead of Jeremy Lin. 'Nuff said. I want Lin back but let's not pretend that his shit don't stink.

Pat Beverly started because Houston Rockets PGs are freaking deep. How often can you say you have three solid PG on your team that comes out scoring in double figures every single night? Aaron Brooks has showed up all of a sudden. PBeverley gets injured, Lin backs him up. Lin gets injured. ABrooks backs him up.

Lin is a 6th man because he's not needed in the starting line up. Rockets are already stacked as it is. A team that is stack can afford to send one of their primary player to the bench.

You need to understand that the starting line-up is not something you gauge a player by. Hell, Kwame Brown was in the startling line up for the Lakers. What does that say about your silly notions of what it means to start?

Dude, all 3 of their PG's are mediocre to a smidge above average. None are anything to write home about. Lin is better than Felton, I've already said that but that doesn't mean very much considering how abysmal our PG platoon is. So hop off.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

I would've felt more comfortable building a team with Lin on it than JR Smith, along with keeping a coach that brings out the best in PG and ball movement offense, but that's just me.

Neither Lin or Smith are players you build a team around. You're living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise.

read what he wrote, he said build a team "with".. some of you guys are so hung up on finding this guy to "build around" and then find him a "running buddy".. it has become hilarious almost..

Thank you!!!!! I said nothing about building around!

You hardly said anything at all because what you said could be interrupted a number of different ways. If you want to follow the line of progression that tkf suggested, then it becomes even more ridiculous to presume that the reigning 6th man of the year (still in his prime) can't contribute to a team while Jeremy Lin, is some kind of Godsend. There are about 25 other starting PG's I take ahead of Jeremy and a few backup PG's if I had my pick of the litter.

Syniko wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea who would want Lin when you have the great Raymond Felton

Patrick Beverly starts ahead of Jeremy Lin. 'Nuff said. I want Lin back but let's not pretend that his shit don't stink.

Pat Beverly started because Houston Rockets PGs are freaking deep. How often can you say you have three solid PG on your team that comes out scoring in double figures every single night? Aaron Brooks has showed up all of a sudden. PBeverley gets injured, Lin backs him up. Lin gets injured. ABrooks backs him up.

Lin is a 6th man because he's not needed in the starting line up. Rockets are already stacked as it is. A team that is stack can afford to send one of their primary player to the bench.

You need to understand that the starting line-up is not something you gauge a player by. Hell, Kwame Brown was in the startling line up for the Lakers. What does that say about your silly notions of what it means to start?

That is some priceless logic right there. Especially when you apply it to the fact that at one point in his illustrious, middle of the road, flash in the pan career, he also wasn't needed to start over Toney Freakin Douglas.

knicks1248 wrote:nobody cared about lin last yr, the only reason his name is coming up now is because our pg sucks and he's having a solid yr..

+1 Game, set, match.

jrodmc wrote:

Syniko wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea who would want Lin when you have the great Raymond Felton

Patrick Beverly starts ahead of Jeremy Lin. 'Nuff said. I want Lin back but let's not pretend that his shit don't stink.

Pat Beverly started because Houston Rockets PGs are freaking deep. How often can you say you have three solid PG on your team that comes out scoring in double figures every single night? Aaron Brooks has showed up all of a sudden. PBeverley gets injured, Lin backs him up. Lin gets injured. ABrooks backs him up.

Lin is a 6th man because he's not needed in the starting line up. Rockets are already stacked as it is. A team that is stack can afford to send one of their primary player to the bench.

You need to understand that the starting line-up is not something you gauge a player by. Hell, Kwame Brown was in the startling line up for the Lakers. What does that say about your silly notions of what it means to start?

That is some priceless logic right there. Especially when you apply it to the fact that at one point in his illustrious, middle of the road, flash in the pan career, he also wasn't needed to start over Toney Freakin Douglas.

+1.

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea who would want Lin when you have the great Raymond Felton

Patrick Beverly starts ahead of Jeremy Lin. 'Nuff said. I want Lin back but let's not pretend that his shit don't stink.

Maybe we could start a petition for getting Beverly? Patsanity?

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea who would want Lin when you have the great Raymond Felton

Patrick Beverly starts ahead of Jeremy Lin. 'Nuff said. I want Lin back but let's not pretend that his shit don't stink.

Maybe we could start a petition for getting Beverly? Patsanity?

In all seriousness though, I'd totally welcome Beverly to the Knicks. He's nothing special but is still better than what we have from our trio (Prigioni is better in limited minutes though).

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Ha ha- zing!

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

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I do have concerns about Lin's health long term- the way he plays is hard and wreckless sometimes- he takes a lot of hits driving to the basket and seems to get flattened a lot.

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I do have concerns about Lin's health long term- the way he plays is hard and wreckless sometimes- he takes a lot of hits driving to the basket and seems to get flattened a lot.

No doubt. It's why he needs to develop a jumper. His career depends on it. I still love his aggression though. I wish Doughboy Felton could get to the rim as frequently as he does.

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

Dude! Not at all! I may be a friggin rightwingnut conservative, board-on homer, but I never take any of this internet stuff all that seriously. No matter what the typing may look like. This always beats actually working.

No insults taken, and hopefully likewise.

Peace.

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

Dude! Not at all! I may be a friggin rightwingnut conservative, board-on homer, but I never take any of this internet stuff all that seriously. No matter what the typing may look like. This always beats actually working.

No insults taken, and hopefully likewise.

Peace.

You guys are great at stroking each other but tell me what JR does better than Lin

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

Dude! Not at all! I may be a friggin rightwingnut conservative, board-on homer, but I never take any of this internet stuff all that seriously. No matter what the typing may look like. This always beats actually working.

No insults taken, and hopefully likewise.

Peace.

You guys are great at stroking each other but tell me what JR does better than Lin

Partying

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

Dude! Not at all! I may be a friggin rightwingnut conservative, board-on homer, but I never take any of this internet stuff all that seriously. No matter what the typing may look like. This always beats actually working.

No insults taken, and hopefully likewise.

Peace.

You guys are great at stroking each other but tell me what JR does better than Lin

Partying

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

Dude! Not at all! I may be a friggin rightwingnut conservative, board-on homer, but I never take any of this internet stuff all that seriously. No matter what the typing may look like. This always beats actually working.

No insults taken, and hopefully likewise.

Peace.

You guys are great at stroking each other but tell me what JR does better than Lin

JR is the better shooter, defender, finisher, drawer of free throws, better at taking care of the ball. Just about anything that doesn't involve the running of an offense, JR is the better of.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

Dude! Not at all! I may be a friggin rightwingnut conservative, board-on homer, but I never take any of this internet stuff all that seriously. No matter what the typing may look like. This always beats actually working.

No insults taken, and hopefully likewise.

Peace.

You guys are great at stroking each other but tell me what JR does better than Lin

JR is the better shooter, defender, finisher, drawer of free throws, better at taking care of the ball. Just about anything that doesn't involve the running of an offense, JR is the better of.

The #s don't support any of those claims. Even taking care of the ball - Lin has a much better assist:turnover ratio than Smith.
You should check your claims on basketball-reference.com or any other metrics site before making them

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

Dude! Not at all! I may be a friggin rightwingnut conservative, board-on homer, but I never take any of this internet stuff all that seriously. No matter what the typing may look like. This always beats actually working.

No insults taken, and hopefully likewise.

Peace.

You guys are great at stroking each other but tell me what JR does better than Lin

JR is the better shooter, defender, finisher, drawer of free throws, better at taking care of the ball. Just about anything that doesn't involve the running of an offense, JR is the better of.

Let's see if this is actually true. All numbers taken from last season.

Shooting:

JR Smith

FG%     2FG%     3FG%     eFG%     TS%
42.2%   45.8%   35.6%    48.4%   52.2%

Jeremy Lin

FG%     2FG%     3FG%     eFG%     TS%
44.1%   48.3%   33.9%    49.0%   53.8%

Defending:

JR Smith

Steals/game     Blocks/game     Defensive Rating     Defensive Win Shares
1.3                0.3                106                   2.7

Jeremy Lin

Steals/game     Blocks/game     Defensive Rating     Defensive Win Shares
1.6                0.4                107                   2.5

Finishing

JR Smith

Shot% in the Restricted Area      Shot% in the Paint      Shot% within 8ft of the Hoop
147/245   60%                     38/125   30.4%          174/333   52.25%

Jeremy Lin

Shot% in the Restricted Area      Shot% in the Paint      Shot% within 8ft of the Hoop
207/356   58.15                   33/111   29.73          324/437   53.55

Drawing Free Throws

JR Smith

FTA/game     FTr(FTA/FGA)
3.9          .249

Jeremy Lin

FTA/game     FTr(FTA/FGA)
3.4          .307

Better at taking care of the ball

This one isn't a fair comparison. Point guards always more turnovers and higher turnover rates because they're trying to create for others. Gunners who don't pass always have fewer turnovers and lower turnover rates because they're just chucking up shots.

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

RonRon wrote:JR: 12 pts, 1 assist on .322% FG.
J Lin: 15 pts, 4.5 assists on .503% FG.

Who has the "ridiculous" contract now Melo? Ridiculous to let Jeremy Lin go, Dolan.

You are aware that the body of work you're citing is only 12 games long and that JR Smith has been the exponentially better of the two over the course of their respective careers, right? Never mind the fact that Lin still makes $2 million more than Smith this season and will have that figure triple by next season.

The only thing JR is better at is getting suspensions.

seriously? What are you basing this off of?

The same thing they base everything off of. FG%. It's the key to life.

Who cares about the playoffs, anyway?

Next brilliant quip: With the way JR performed last year, Lin had a greater impact by sitting out of the playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't get them. JR's antics piss me off to no end, which is why I thought we should've traded him in 2011 after he first signed with us. I'd still trade him now if the right deal came along but his talent and impact on the floor can't be denied.

P.S., I'm glad that we can agree on something and be civil to one another. My apologies if you've felt insulted by me in the past.

Dude! Not at all! I may be a friggin rightwingnut conservative, board-on homer, but I never take any of this internet stuff all that seriously. No matter what the typing may look like. This always beats actually working.

No insults taken, and hopefully likewise.

Peace.

You guys are great at stroking each other but tell me what JR does better than Lin

JR is the better shooter, defender, finisher, drawer of free throws, better at taking care of the ball. Just about anything that doesn't involve the running of an offense, JR is the better of.

The #s don't support any of those claims. Even taking care of the ball - Lin has a much better assist:turnover ratio than Smith.
You should check your claims on basketball-reference.com or any other metrics site before making them

Naturally, Smith will have a lower assist to turnover ratio; he doesn't run point and I never suggested he did (I actually stated the opposite). In turns of turnovers per minute, Smith does a better job in not turning over the ball.