Just to put it in perspective. Justin Podroia the Red Sox best player signed for $110mil. ellsbury got $153
I wouldn't sign him to 10yrs either but he would've accept 8yr 200+
He would've never went to Seattle and got 10yrs
They low balled him at 7 for $160
Finally the Yanks drew the line. 10 years 240mil is irresponsible. Maybe they see his work ethic and can look a bit down the road.
Just because we were stupid with Arod does not mean you make the same mistake.
The moment we inked Ells was when we let him walk. Fans go to see cano or go see the team.
Robbie could be seen as a lazy superstar and in the era of no roids to heal he might be seen as injury prone on the back end of that contract.
As for Ellsbury and his deal, well of course we over paid. Mets, Yanks, Knicks, Nets, etc all have to in order to deal with the media and crap to play in NY. All things the same, players don't come here. All things the same, I'd do the same thing.
I Like Robbie and he was our best player but for that money? WE don't want to be the Angels now do we? The team to emulate is the Cards who grow their own and use assets to make trades. They let Pujals leave to a silly contract and life after is really ok. Young team went to the series. They have a good mix of young and experienced!
Kudo's to the yanks for drawing the line.
Ellsbury missed 30-60 games on average a year though
gunsnewing wrote:This is not George streinbrenner. They are operating more like the Knicks everyday difference is NBA has a cap
Yankees won the world series in 2009. Before that 2000.
We have to let the red sox live a little. Coming in second every year is very hard on them.
We'll have 28 championships very soon. Doom and gloom isn't something that a true Yankee fan should wiry about. Streinbrenner wasn't around for the first 20 championships. So we'll be back up there again simply because we are the Yankees. You need to learn to talk like that when you soak about the Yankees. Gotta be arrogant with it. We are the evil empire damb it!!!
gunsnewing wrote:I wouldn't sign him to 10yrs either but he would've accept 8yr 200+ He would've never went to Seattle and got 10yrs
They low allies him at 7 for $160
Get a a grip man. If you add 3 years at 20 mil a piece then you have 10 years 220 mil.... what it came down to was years. It's simply not smart to sign anyone into their 40s. 7 years 160 is not low balling....can the spin doctors simply say Cano cared more about money than winning in nyc....
so to hell with cano because he wasn't that good. Numbers say one thing, the fact we missed the playoffs and he disappeared in all the other playoff appearances he's made says the real truth.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not soaking about the Yankees lol
I just hate that we low balled one of our own home grown Yankees
gunsnewing wrote:Don't get me wrong. I'm not soaking about the Yankees lolI just hate that we low balled one of our own home grown Yankees
Sulking lol.... my phone jumps around when I'm moving.
Don't cry for Cano. At the end of the day he wanted more money and years. So he left. That's the real truth.
Right now we need to talk about who we're gonna replace him with. And what's the plan for 3rd base
gunsnewing wrote:I wouldn't sign him to 10yrs either but he would've accept 8yr 200+ He would've never went to Seattle and got 10yrs
They low allies him at 7 for $160
He called you and told you what he'd do?
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/20...
Nalod wrote:Finally the Yanks drew the line. 10 years 240mil is irresponsible. Maybe they see his work ethic and can look a bit down the road.Just because we were stupid with Arod does not mean you make the same mistake.
The moment we inked Ells was when we let him walk. Fans go to see cano or go see the team.
Robbie could be seen as a lazy superstar and in the era of no roids to heal he might be seen as injury prone on the back end of that contract.
As for Ellsbury and his deal, well of course we over paid. Mets, Yanks, Knicks, Nets, etc all have to in order to deal with the media and crap to play in NY. All things the same, players don't come here. All things the same, I'd do the same thing.
I Like Robbie and he was our best player but for that money? WE don't want to be the Angels now do we? The team to emulate is the Cards who grow their own and use assets to make trades. They let Pujals leave to a silly contract and life after is really ok. Young team went to the series. They have a good mix of young and experienced!
Kudo's to the yanks for drawing the line.
i AGREE, and while we overpaid for Ells, look at his numbers compared to Carl Crawford who got 143 mil.. lets say we overpaid ells by 30 mil over the life of the contract.. well in a year where there are just not a lot of quality FA's and he gives us the tools we really lack. we could have done a lot worse.
i will miss Cano, but the asking price was ridiculous. as you said, you have to draw the line somewhere..
gunsnewing wrote:Cano is a Mariner. So this is what I don't get. Ellsbury is worth $153mil. $50mil more than what any other team was going to pay him but they chose to low ball Cano for $175mil. Mind you Ellsbury is always hurtCashman is out if his mind. Why keep messing with Boris?
Maybe but I am very happy about the McCann signing. For about $240 mil, I'd much rather have McCann + Ellsbury than just Cano.
Unless your signing willie freaking mays at age 25, you don't do 10 year deals unless he can do the roids.
I miss Mickey Rivers........
Yankees print money. Yankees were ready to sign Cano on top of those 2 at 7yrs $175. They couldn't go to 8 & $200 for their own player? If they turned it down then fine but they low balled him considering what Ellsbury got. Seems petty to me on the Steinbrenners part
Unless they really had a budget and chose Ells over Cano
But why them throw crazy money at Cruz(steroid user) and Choo now
Out infield blows
Tex - blows
Kelly Johnson - ok I guess wtf
Jeter - at the stage in his career where he will be on and off the DL
Arod - nothing to say
McCann - terrific signing
gunsnewing wrote:Yankees print money. Yankees were ready to sign Cano on top of those 2 at 7yrs $175. They couldn't go to 8 & $200 for their own player? If they turned it down then fine but they low balled him considering what Ellsbury got. Seems petty to me on the Steinbrenners part
I do agree with you on that. I think offering Cano 9 yrs/205 would have made more sense than the 153 for Ellsbury.
Nalod wrote:
Unless your signing willie freaking mays at age 25, you don't do 10 year deals unless he can do the roids. I miss Mickey Rivers........
Willie Mays never hit a HR in the post season. He only had 6 hits in 71 at bats. Cano has 8 post season HR's
I don't think Cano at $240 or $205 fixes pitching. Good job by the Yanks utilizing constraint for once!
Address pitching first and foremost. We got some major holes to fill with Pettite and Rivera retiring.
Also, use the dam farm system for once. Can't always overspend for veteran name clunkers.
ChuckBuck wrote:I don't think Cano at $240 or $205 fixes pitching. Good job by the Yanks utilizing constraint for once!Address pitching first and foremost. We got some major holes to fill with Pettite and Rivera retiring.
Also, use the dam farm system for once. Can't always overspend for veteran name clunkers.
They f'ed up the roster so bad over the years that they'd have to spend like a billion dollars if they wanted a championship level pitching staff and hitting lineup. Addressing one thing at a time - hitting right now - is better than nothing. For a while it looked like Cashman and the Steinbrenners were just going to sleep through every off-season and miss out on every available FA.
Yea because they wanted to stay under $189mil luxury tax threshold but now they are going to blow past it and pay ridiculous amount in luxury under the new cab for this year and they lost their best player who never ever misses a game
These moves pretty much stomps any notion of the Yankees using their farm ever
ChuckBuck wrote:I don't think Cano at $240 or $205 fixes pitching. Good job by the Yanks utilizing constraint for once!Address pitching first and foremost. We got some major holes to fill with Pettite and Rivera retiring.
Also, use the dam farm system for once. Can't always overspend for veteran name clunkers.
The problem is that you can't go out and overpay for two non Yankee players who won't have anything close to the production of Cano and say we should restrain in not meeting Cano's demands...Talk radio is saying 200 over 8 could have gotten it done ...We overpay by 30 mil for Ellsbury and not Cano??..And somehow that's a good move??
