Knicks · Bargs trashe Garnett Lol (page 1)

Loved how he came right back at punk Garnett and trashed him after hitting three. Kid is showing that he has some fire in belly and isn't the softie that some said. You can see the confidence building and his teammates appreciating him. He is a bright spot to a dismal start and has defended fives like Hibbert, Howard and Lopez well since Tyson went down. Was amazed that some thought he was inferior to NoDvak and DNPCopeland. Last trade by Grunfeld was a good one

I had faith in him all along. If you just understood the situation in Toronto and that he had a chance here to restart and not have to carry the baggage of his past then you could see he had the talent inside and just needed a chance.

Pretty much everything we supporters of the trade has pointed how has been proven true. I had faith because all we were doing was quoting the stats. Dude was always a top Man defender statistically and just need help to learn how to help defend as well. Dude was always a top PnP big and Mid Range shooter and that's what we see now. He's starting to get his legs back and overall he has not been the source of our biggest issues as some wanted to paint him. If we can fix the PG situation and get healthy, along with having better production from Shump, JR, THJ, MWP, KMart etc. this team can win some games.

Mostly i'm so proud of how he stood up to KG and pretty much every big we've faced. They've all had rough nights going up against Bargs. Some thought and still think bigs will have an easy time, but he just keeps shutting these guys down and making it tough for them to get off. You don't have to give help on D with him against a Center.

I smell camraderie between Melo and Bargs! Heck the whole team should come more together after tonight.

skeng wrote:I smell camraderie between Melo and Bargs! Heck the whole team should come more together after tonight.

Definitely the kind of game that can galvanize a team. The Knicks needed something to make them feel good about themselves. Sometimes a struggling team is just what you need. You just need to see the ball going thru the hoop and to make some successful plays. Then you could see the memory clicking about how to play as a team and win. It's kind of like getting some FT's in order to get your confidence on your jumper.

Hope the camraderie carrys on. The team can't just get up for the big games. Gotta gives props to Shumpert tonight too.

It was great to see. Loved the trade and was shocked at the reaction here at the time. It will be interesting to see bargs playing with Tyson. The Knicks could be a really tough out if those two play well together.

I wanna see the Barg bashing come to an end....

The dude is not a good help defender that is true, but I would say he is pretty much lock down one on one in the post. He can't rebound but he tries. He is not soft! He's just European if that makes sense.

He looks better and better every Game.

Knicks still suck but if they can somehow build on this, i can stop taking my anxiety medication until the playoffs

Lol he's not soft, he's just European,

hahaha

Bargs is growing on me but let's see the Win column improve a little bit and then he will be in The Circle of Trust

It was cool how that crowd in Brooklyn got so pumped when he got ejected that on the next play when Prigs stole the ball it sounded like they erupted out of my television! Just as impressive as his ability to guard bigs is the way he doesn't let point gaurds past him when he's switched off. He's always got his feet in motion when he's defending somebody outside waiting for them to make their move.

I love it when that wuss Garnett gets a taste of his own medicine. They should have played Celine Dion music when he puts on those headphones in that commercial.

I love the attitude Bargs is showing in addition to his play. Bargs is not the only one who has trouble with team D but he's trying and I see some improvement although he's not there yet. Even Stat was trying harder not to get caught leaving the open man on team D.

Last night had that "next man up" vibe that we haven't seen this season. Just one game but something positive to build on.

CrushAlot wrote:It was great to see. Loved the trade and was shocked at the reaction here at the time. It will be interesting to see bargs playing with Tyson. The Knicks could be a really tough out if those two play well together.

Enyspree wrote:I wanna see the Barg bashing come to an end....
The dude is not a good help defender that is true, but I would say he is pretty much lock down one on one in the post. He can't rebound but he tries. He is not soft! He's just European if that makes sense.
He looks better and better every Game.
Knicks still suck but if they can somehow build on this, i can stop taking my anxiety medication until the playoffs

couldn't agree more with both of you. ive been behind the move since day one, especially for what we gave up, it was a no-brainer. i'm sure some +/- stats are coming, but using the eye-test, the knicks are better everytime bargs is on the floor than when he's not.

nyk4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:It was great to see. Loved the trade and was shocked at the reaction here at the time. It will be interesting to see bargs playing with Tyson. The Knicks could be a really tough out if those two play well together.

Enyspree wrote:I wanna see the Barg bashing come to an end....
The dude is not a good help defender that is true, but I would say he is pretty much lock down one on one in the post. He can't rebound but he tries. He is not soft! He's just European if that makes sense.
He looks better and better every Game.
Knicks still suck but if they can somehow build on this, i can stop taking my anxiety medication until the playoffs

couldn't agree more with both of you. ive been behind the move since day one, especially for what we gave up, it was a no-brainer. i'm sure some +/- stats are coming, but using the eye-test, the knicks are better everytime bargs is on the floor than when he's not.

Still not missing Novak.....

GustavBahler wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:It was great to see. Loved the trade and was shocked at the reaction here at the time. It will be interesting to see bargs playing with Tyson. The Knicks could be a really tough out if those two play well together.

Enyspree wrote:I wanna see the Barg bashing come to an end....
The dude is not a good help defender that is true, but I would say he is pretty much lock down one on one in the post. He can't rebound but he tries. He is not soft! He's just European if that makes sense.
He looks better and better every Game.
Knicks still suck but if they can somehow build on this, i can stop taking my anxiety medication until the playoffs

couldn't agree more with both of you. ive been behind the move since day one, especially for what we gave up, it was a no-brainer. i'm sure some +/- stats are coming, but using the eye-test, the knicks are better everytime bargs is on the floor than when he's not.

Still not missing Novak.....

yup, not at all. i like novak, he's a nice piece, but if he's not shooting well, he's not doing anything on the court. HE is a major liability defensively because he can't play help or man-man. bargs is a better overall scorer since he can play inside and out and his man-man defense has been great. he doesn't rebound very well, we know that, but hopefully when tyson comes back they can play well together and he can make up for the lack of rebounding.

love it.

bargs has some fire in him.

much neede win by the team, and as a supporter of the trade i concur with a lot of what has been written here.

we know he has weaknesses, as does melo, but these are not guys that you don't want on your team.

Kmart probably told him early, that KG will try to punk him, and taught him to NOT BACK down because KG will always try to punk u if you dont push back
But they have always had a fair amount of meetings with Boston vs Toronto, as AB was a touch match up for KG and was still considered ELITE/DPOY type player during the earlier years

AB has been playing well, although his rebounds are low, his help DEF and SHOT BLOCKING has been there
He is playing well at C and not PF with Tyson Chandler and Melo
Melo also plays better as a facilitator at PF and not SF, I don't those 3 would work together well, as a unit, with the lack of speed, and AB and Melo are better defenders at PF and C than SF and PF, on top of Chandler taking up space from AB and Melo in the paint

Last night is what we needed, especially Iman stepping up because he really can be our spark with his play
More importantly, Melo wasn't looking to score every time he touched the ball, or demanding the ball 95% of the plays
We were fortunate enough to play a weak DEFENSE but that is the difference between playing with rhythm, confidence, and with some deception (without feeding Melo 30 shots a night)

We hit our 3pt shots but look at the way we got the big lead in the 2qt and loss is right back in 7 minutes or so
Yesterday was the closest we have looked to last year's team when we played well, with Kidd's leadership and ball movement affecting all players
Once again, we shined in his presence and he even knew the little plays we ran to use against us
It was a multiplying effect and was part of the reason why we were shooting 3pt's at a higher rate
Yes, Kidd was horrible as a player for us after the first month, but his leadership and respect he had towards/from Melo, JR, Felton, was priceless, even Novak, Chandler, Iman and Pablo
Pablo needs to play Kidd's role last year vocally, because he already has the same mentality as Kidd
These are things that "STATS and numbers" don't show us about BB, at the sametime can be misleading for example, when Melo was dropping 30pts + but we were getting L's

Iman needed this, he voiced his displeasure with Melo recently and demanded better ball movement, so to step up and back up what you say while we are struggling and he is in trade rumors is big
I really hope he stays a Knick, at the very least, allow him to get better because i believe his value has far more upside than it currently does
JR Smith is getting back some of his legs but still does not have that burst of speed to penetrate and jump like he did last year
It takes time to get back in NBA shape, but Smith should simply learn to have better shot selection, which was what he did late last season and to try to get more FT attempts
Smith is a very good shooter, although streaky at times, if he only tried to get some easy baskets first instead of having too much confidence in taking off balanced shots off the dribble or early in the shot clock when not needed

For that reason I think Iman has to improve the same way JR did last year (in terms of facilitating. penetrating and finishing effectively, and hitting wide open shots

nyk4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:It was great to see. Loved the trade and was shocked at the reaction here at the time. It will be interesting to see bargs playing with Tyson. The Knicks could be a really tough out if those two play well together.

Enyspree wrote:I wanna see the Barg bashing come to an end....
The dude is not a good help defender that is true, but I would say he is pretty much lock down one on one in the post. He can't rebound but he tries. He is not soft! He's just European if that makes sense.
He looks better and better every Game.
Knicks still suck but if they can somehow build on this, i can stop taking my anxiety medication until the playoffs

couldn't agree more with both of you. ive been behind the move since day one, especially for what we gave up, it was a no-brainer. i'm sure some +/- stats are coming, but using the eye-test, the knicks are better everytime bargs is on the floor than when he's not.

Still not missing Novak.....

yup, not at all. i like novak, he's a nice piece, but if he's not shooting well, he's not doing anything on the court. HE is a major liability defensively because he can't play help or man-man. bargs is a better overall scorer since he can play inside and out and his man-man defense has been great. he doesn't rebound very well, we know that, but hopefully when tyson comes back they can play well together and he can make up for the lack of rebounding.

I didn't believe Novak got a fair shake at the beginning of last season but he had plenty of time and opportunities to make a case for himself here and he didn't. Vaya con Dios.

We also didn't play to his strengths and utilized him the same say we did with Lin and picks/double picks off the ball to free him

The combination of BB IQ and unselfishness
Penetration is the key, with good ball movement, player movement, picks on off the ball, and unselfishness, playing on and off each other
Even Fields was a much better player at SF when Melo was out, not saying Fields is better, but we played much better as a TEAM without the talent needed contend

Instead he was used to spread the floor and all our opponents had to do was pick a man to STICK TO HIM LIKE GLUE and NEVER HELP
Without picks of the ball, speed/handle, there is little he can do to get his shot off

RonRon wrote:We also didn't play to his strengths and utilized him the same say we did with Lin and picks/double picks off the ball to free him

The combination of BB IQ and unselfishness
Penetration is the key, with good ball movement, player movement, picks on off the ball, and unselfishness, playing on and off each other
Even Fields was a much better player at SF when Melo was out, not saying Fields is better, but we played much better as a TEAM without the talent needed contend

Instead he was used to spread the floor and all our opponents had to do was pick a man to STICK TO HIM LIKE GLUE and NEVER HELP
Without picks of the ball, speed/handle, there is little he can do to get his shot off

Even when he was wide open in key moments in the game, Novak was bricking. On paper his pct looks good but when it mattered most, Novak just wasn't there.

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:We also didn't play to his strengths and utilized him the same say we did with Lin and picks/double picks off the ball to free him

The combination of BB IQ and unselfishness
Penetration is the key, with good ball movement, player movement, picks on off the ball, and unselfishness, playing on and off each other
Even Fields was a much better player at SF when Melo was out, not saying Fields is better, but we played much better as a TEAM without the talent needed contend

Instead he was used to spread the floor and all our opponents had to do was pick a man to STICK TO HIM LIKE GLUE and NEVER HELP
Without picks of the ball, speed/handle, there is little he can do to get his shot off

Even when he was wide open in key moments in the game, Novak was bricking. On paper his pct looks good but when it mattered most, Novak just wasn't there.

I agree, just like how Iman has struggled this year when he was open, the question is why did we look much better when Lin was running the show with the lack of talent we had with him?

RonRon wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:We also didn't play to his strengths and utilized him the same say we did with Lin and picks/double picks off the ball to free him

The combination of BB IQ and unselfishness
Penetration is the key, with good ball movement, player movement, picks on off the ball, and unselfishness, playing on and off each other
Even Fields was a much better player at SF when Melo was out, not saying Fields is better, but we played much better as a TEAM without the talent needed contend

Instead he was used to spread the floor and all our opponents had to do was pick a man to STICK TO HIM LIKE GLUE and NEVER HELP
Without picks of the ball, speed/handle, there is little he can do to get his shot off

Even when he was wide open in key moments in the game, Novak was bricking. On paper his pct looks good but when it mattered most, Novak just wasn't there.

I agree, just like how Iman has struggled this year when he was open, the question is why did we look much better when Lin was running the show with the lack of talent we had with him?

Novak was shooting well after Lin left. Novak got his big deal, a reality TV show, maybe the pressure on a guy who who had been a relative unknown for most of his career was too much for him.

Shump to his credit snapped out of it, Novak never really did in any way that helped the team win.

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:We also didn't play to his strengths and utilized him the same say we did with Lin and picks/double picks off the ball to free him

The combination of BB IQ and unselfishness
Penetration is the key, with good ball movement, player movement, picks on off the ball, and unselfishness, playing on and off each other
Even Fields was a much better player at SF when Melo was out, not saying Fields is better, but we played much better as a TEAM without the talent needed contend

Instead he was used to spread the floor and all our opponents had to do was pick a man to STICK TO HIM LIKE GLUE and NEVER HELP
Without picks of the ball, speed/handle, there is little he can do to get his shot off

Even when he was wide open in key moments in the game, Novak was bricking. On paper his pct looks good but when it mattered most, Novak just wasn't there.

I agree, just like how Iman has struggled this year when he was open, the question is why did we look much better when Lin was running the show with the lack of talent we had with him?

Novak was shooting well after Lin left. Novak got his big deal, a reality TV show, maybe the pressure on a guy who who had been a relative unknown for most of his career was too much for him.

Shump to his credit snapped out of it, Novak never really did in any way that helped the team win.

You gotta realize the guy's from Wisconsin