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playa2 @ 12/10/2013 9:56 AM

DeMarcus Cousins, Derrick Williams push Kings over Mavericks


Cousins powers Kings to 112-97 win over Mavericks The Associated Press

DeMarcus Cousins put up 32 points and registered 19 rebounds, while Derrick Williams added 31 points and 5 steals to lead the Sacramento Kings to a victory over the Dallas Mavericks, 112-97. This is the second win in as many games for Sacramento (6-13) after beating Utah on Saturday.

Cousins shot 10-17 and converted 12-14 from the free throw line. Other key performers for Sacramento were Isaiah Thomas with 24 points and 12 assists, and Jason Thompson with 10 points and 7 rebounds.

smackeddog @ 12/10/2013 10:15 AM
playa2 wrote:

DeMarcus Cousins, Derrick Williams push Kings over Mavericks


Cousins powers Kings to 112-97 win over Mavericks The Associated Press

DeMarcus Cousins put up 32 points and registered 19 rebounds, while Derrick Williams added 31 points and 5 steals to lead the Sacramento Kings to a victory over the Dallas Mavericks, 112-97. This is the second win in as many games for Sacramento (6-13) after beating Utah on Saturday.

Cousins shot 10-17 and converted 12-14 from the free throw line. Other key performers for Sacramento were Isaiah Thomas with 24 points and 12 assists, and Jason Thompson with 10 points and 7 rebounds.

It's his first good game with them- the ones before this were business as usual for him

EnySpree @ 12/10/2013 10:34 AM
I bet Minnesota could care less either way. They moved on.

The knicks and most fans of Shumpert keep talking about potential. Well potential is the reason why we suck and a team like Minnesota stopped caring about potential and started building a sound basketball team.

We neef to move players and get this ship right. Who cares if a player plays Good for another team so be it. The knicks need to fix their situation. We can't wait for guys to lose weight, get healthy, reach their potential. That's all nonsense

BRIGGS @ 12/10/2013 10:46 AM
playa2 wrote:

DeMarcus Cousins, Derrick Williams push Kings over Mavericks


Cousins powers Kings to 112-97 win over Mavericks The Associated Press

DeMarcus Cousins put up 32 points and registered 19 rebounds, while Derrick Williams added 31 points and 5 steals to lead the Sacramento Kings to a victory over the Dallas Mavericks, 112-97. This is the second win in as many games for Sacramento (6-13) after beating Utah on Saturday.

Cousins shot 10-17 and converted 12-14 from the free throw line. Other key performers for Sacramento were Isaiah Thomas with 24 points and 12 assists, and Jason Thompson with 10 points and 7 rebounds.

The downside Rudy Gay and his 6-17 is coming to take D Williams stretch 4 position next game. I think I would put Rudy as sixth man and tell him to take no more than 1 3pt shots a game with a focus on getting to the rim using the dribble --he can play good D and rebound--he just needs a new niche. Catch and shoot isnt cutting it.

gunsnewing @ 12/10/2013 11:24 AM
Damn I really wanted Derrick Williams
tkf @ 12/10/2013 11:50 AM
Derrick williams showed flashed with the Wolves, for some reason he could not get steady rotation minutes... This is more of him getting a chance to play than change of scenery...
smackeddog @ 12/10/2013 12:30 PM
tkf wrote:Derrick williams showed flashed with the Wolves, for some reason he could not get steady rotation minutes... This is more of him getting a chance to play than change of scenery...

Not sure how many shots he'll get playing with Cousins and Gay, but they're pretty bad shooters so he'll at least get lots of rebounding opportunities!

SupremeCommander @ 12/10/2013 12:45 PM
Williams has talent but he is a bit of a tweener... I think playing next to Cousins will help tremendously and playing with Gay will effectively force him to be a 4
playa2 @ 12/10/2013 12:57 PM
EnySpree wrote:I bet Minnesota could care less either way. They moved on.

The knicks and most fans of Shumpert keep talking about potential. Well potential is the reason why we suck and a team like Minnesota stopped caring about potential and started building a sound basketball team.

All these players can't handle NY, some of you might think any young player can come here and play out of his mind....ask Clyde about today's players.

That;s why they only go for vets, the temptations in NY are too much for a guy from some small town , looking to make a name for himself on and off the court.

This is why Clyde always mentions guys should stay in school longer, all this money and all this city is wayyyyyy too much for many of them to handle.

RonRon @ 12/10/2013 2:41 PM


I think it is needed at times, along with shorter contracts despite players wanting longer ones
When you give shorter contracts, in general, players will continue to work harder, find ways to develop/improve, and try it would lead to a better career but of course injury is the ultimate gamble

IE: See Spencer Hawes, JR Smith's first 2 years here, Bynum in Cleveland now, Sessions career, Jordan Hill,


While some players will continue to develop and work hard on their games, it is not true for majority of the players, and it is the TEAM that has to pay it with the CBA rules to suffers

Like Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Paul George
Some ALL STAR caliber players, usually younger ones, you must pay them the max or near max, although someone like Harden has his final year HALF guaranteed which is still a lot if he happens to get a career ending injury, it would protect Houston

But Anthony at his age, simply is a disaster waiting to happen at his age, for a MAXish type contract at 5years 25-30m+, especially for his lack of BB IQ, and he is going to go down hill physically for a multipled effect


I think change is good for Rudy Gay and Derrick Williams, it does not mean they would have worked for us
Gay has the ability to be a better rebounder/defender, something he must concentrate on, as well as playing off the ball, I think they have enough players able to score, and a surprisingly quality ball handler as the last pick of the draft that can SCORE and facilitate, with Cousins that score in many different ways as the #1, including with jump shots to open up a lane for Rudy Gay to beat his man off the dribble 1v1, post up, or create double teams for shooters on the King's

Their versatility and ability to score at the SF,PF,C position in addition to the PG, SG's scoring/penetrating ability seem to fit perfect with Thomas, Mclemore (a more athletic Ray Allen without that DEADLY shooting yet, that will improve much in the next 2-3 years)

In the end, no system is going to work a ball dominant CA, with a lack of ball movement, lack of penetration/facilitating, and solid consistent post presence
Maybe Melo will realize this, especially if he leaves NY and signs with another team, so they don't have to give up a farm for him, so the next team can still sign talent around him that he needs, at the cost of NY's expense...

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