Knicks · have folks totally forgotten what really made Linsanity happen? (page 2)

Uptown wrote:

djsunyc wrote:knicks traded so many #1 picks that one more wouldn't have hurt - especially for a very good pg in lowry.

but that ship has sailed. everything dolan says or does is mush.

they should talk to detroit and ask them for a amare + shumpert for jennings + josh smith deal.

Thats the same mentality that the Knicks had during the Isiah era...one more 1st round pick wont hurt. At some point, it has to stop.....

and they stopped too soon... I hear you but the Knicks desperately need and needed a good PG. If your going to trade a pick it would be for that I would think. Its not like Lowry was Billups... he's still got a lot of good years in the league

The lockout season played a major factor as well.

Oh, and when you folks figure it out, please mail the answer to Houston. They're still waiting.

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

Kidd went down and we were still playing great basketball...Second half of the year, Kidd imploded and we went on to win 13 in a row...Common denominator???, Felton!!..Jason Kidd said Felton was the engine...MVP against Boston in the playoffs...When Felton wasn't hurt, we played good basketball, we won...Felton has been hurt since preseason this year..We suck without him at 100% getting in the lane, period...

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

Kidd went down and we were still playing great basketball...Second half of the year, Kidd imploded and we went on to win 13 in a row...Common denominator???, Felton!!..Jason Kidd said Felton was the engine...MVP against Boston in the playoffs...When Felton wasn't hurt, we played good basketball, we won...Felton has been hurt since preseason this year..We suck without him at 100% getting in the lane, period...

Kidd as savior is the common chant of Melohaters everywhere. Kidd, Rasheed, geez, I even read about Camby leading us through the playoffs without even playing.

Lin...in...Houston...can't...compete...with...Patrick...Beverly...

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

your knocks on Lin kind of make my point, we dont need Chris Paul, just a good PG. Guard play period has been terrible and your observations on Shump are spot on.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

I don't agree with a lot the Lin hype but I think people always point to him as the guy because we had him and let him go. Like we're vying for a PG when we already had one.

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

Kidd went down and we were still playing great basketball...Second half of the year, Kidd imploded and we went on to win 13 in a row...Common denominator???, Felton!!..Jason Kidd said Felton was the engine...MVP against Boston in the playoffs...When Felton wasn't hurt, we played good basketball, we won...Felton has been hurt since preseason this year..We suck without him at 100% getting in the lane, period...

Kidd as savior is the common chant of Melohaters everywhere. Kidd, Rasheed, geez, I even read about Camby leading us through the playoffs without even playing.

Lin...in...Houston...can't...compete...with...Patrick...Beverly...

I feel what you're saying, it didn't seem like Kidd made that much of a difference to change a 9-21 team into a 54 win team. Sure he was good the first part of the season but his contributions came much more in the form of leadership and demeanor than on-court production. I think people look at Kidd as the guy last year because they have a hard time finding another reaaon for the huge dropoff, as most of the players are the same. Kidd's absence is pretty much the biggest change so people inflate him up to be more than he was as a means to somehow justify how a team that played so well last year could fall so far, so quickly. I don't have an answer so I can't really blame people for thinking that way, leadership is definitely an issue this year.

The biggest issue was Woodson. He never intended for the Knicks to play the style they did last year, it came out of necessity and Kidd made it work. If Woodson's experiment with Kidd at SG didn't work as well as it did, I think Woody would've been as lost as he's looked this year. Woodson's failure this year was totally abandoning the 2 PG lineup. I can understand him not going 100% with that style, but to totally abandon it like he did completely destroyed the Identity and chemistry this roster had. They can't really play any other way as effectively, as we found out in the playoffs last year when Woody tried to change things up.

If we had kept Lin, that would at least give the team another Penetrating PG, who could break down a defense and create more scoring opportunities. This team needs that aspect of the game. All we have is ISO players and guys that don't have complete offensive games. So that leaves 3pt shooting and ISO Melo and JR. We used to mix in PnR with Tyson and Felton, but now we don't even have that. Having Lin would add another dimension. The same would go for adding Lowry. We just need GOOD PG PLAY, period!!! It was stupid not to have more than just Felton and Prigs. Also Woody should've been working Murry in more over the course of the season. Beno had shown early on that he wasn't ready after coming in out of shape. That should've been punished by giving Murry some of his minutes. Sure he would've made mistakes early, but by now he'd be fully comfortable and could've contributed more when the team was really desperate for a PG.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

Wrong. Lin is not turning the ball over this year. Remember he was virtually a rookie during Linsanity

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

Kidd went down and we were still playing great basketball...Second half of the year, Kidd imploded and we went on to win 13 in a row...Common denominator???, Felton!!..Jason Kidd said Felton was the engine...MVP against Boston in the playoffs...When Felton wasn't hurt, we played good basketball, we won...Felton has been hurt since preseason this year..We suck without him at 100% getting in the lane, period...

When we went on to win 13 in a row it was because Carmelo was playing out of his mind. When Carmelo is hitting shots at the rate he was hitting shots at during that stretch he can carry teams. When Felton plays well we do play way better but he isn't a reliable player.

gunsnewing wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

Wrong. Lin is not turning the ball over this year. Remember he was virtually a rookie during Linsanity

Saying it's wrong is a bit of a stretch given that his TO per game put him in the top 30 or so in league and he isn't dominating the ball or logging major minutes. Guy is not the difference maker that people often portray him to be on this board.

fishmike wrote:Guard play... that simple. In steps a guy who dribbled with his head up, could get in the lane, could make a pass and was a threat to score.

Do folks remember how utterly terrible the team looked with a healthy Melo/Amare/Chandler when Toney Douglas was running point and folks were waiting for Baron Davis to come back?

Im a bit suprised we didnt just get Lowry and work on an extension etc.. This team so desperately needs what he brings. This team is not as bad as its record.

We dont have a 55% post player (Ewing) that allows our PGs to walk the ball up the court and drop it into the paint. We need a floor general to get guys involved. What we have are some 'scorers' chucking the ball at the rim everything they can actually see it.

This would all make sense, if you really think Isiah via James Dolan wanted the knicks to succeed.

All the knicks fans can't be this slow.

Uptown wrote:

djsunyc wrote:knicks traded so many #1 picks that one more wouldn't have hurt - especially for a very good pg in lowry.

but that ship has sailed. everything dolan says or does is mush.

they should talk to detroit and ask them for a amare + shumpert for jennings + josh smith deal.

And you guys don't think he's being the decision maker for Dolan to duplicate the failure from behind the scenes ????

Thats the same mentality that the Knicks had during the Isiah era...one more 1st round pick wont hurt. At some point, it has to stop.....

And you guys don't think he's being the decision maker for Dolan to duplicate the failure from behind the scenes ????

fishmike wrote:Guard play... that simple. In steps a guy who dribbled with his head up, could get in the lane, could make a pass and was a threat to score.

Do folks remember how utterly terrible the team looked with a healthy Melo/Amare/Chandler when Toney Douglas was running point and folks were waiting for Baron Davis to come back?

Im a bit suprised we didnt just get Lowry and work on an extension etc.. This team so desperately needs what he brings. This team is not as bad as its record.

We dont have a 55% post player (Ewing) that allows our PGs to walk the ball up the court and drop it into the paint. We need a floor general to get guys involved. What we have are some 'scorers' chucking the ball at the rim everything they can actually see it.

It seemed that the Raptors required we give up a first round pick and IMO, we should not give up a first rounder under any circumstance. Considering what has happened the past few years, I think it is pretty evident that trading draft picks, especially if unprotected, is a bad idea. If we want Lowry so badly, we can just sign him this offseason.

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

Kidd went down and we were still playing great basketball...Second half of the year, Kidd imploded and we went on to win 13 in a row...Common denominator???, Felton!!..Jason Kidd said Felton was the engine...MVP against Boston in the playoffs...When Felton wasn't hurt, we played good basketball, we won...Felton has been hurt since preseason this year..We suck without him at 100% getting in the lane, period...

Kidd as savior is the common chant of Melohaters everywhere. Kidd, Rasheed, geez, I even read about Camby leading us through the playoffs without even playing.

Lin...in...Houston...can't...compete...with...Patrick...Beverly...

Here's what I don't get whenever people defend letting Lin walk. Even if you take the view that Lin was at BEST a serviceable backup PG (his numbers certainly bear that out), we got him without giving up any assets, won his bird rights via an arbitration hearing THEN LET HIM WALK FOR NOTHING when our not even close biggest need is serviceable guards! How ax anyone seriously defend the Knicks decision making here? And screw the cap, this is the Dolan Knicks who spent billions marching out garbage teams for a decade.

Happy 2014 everyone.

H1AND1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own fucking pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

Kidd went down and we were still playing great basketball...Second half of the year, Kidd imploded and we went on to win 13 in a row...Common denominator???, Felton!!..Jason Kidd said Felton was the engine...MVP against Boston in the playoffs...When Felton wasn't hurt, we played good basketball, we won...Felton has been hurt since preseason this year..We suck without him at 100% getting in the lane, period...

Kidd as savior is the common chant of Melohaters everywhere. Kidd, Rasheed, geez, I even read about Camby leading us through the playoffs without even playing.

Lin...in...Houston...can't...compete...with...Patrick...Beverly...

Here's what I don't get whenever people defend letting Lin walk. Even if you take the view that Lin was at BEST a serviceable backup PG (his numbers certainly bear that out), we got him without giving up any assets, won his bird rights via an arbitration hearing THEN LET HIM WALK FOR NOTHING when our not even close biggest need is serviceable guards! How ax anyone seriously defend the Knicks decision making here? And screw the cap, this is the Dolan Knicks who spent billions marching out garbage teams for a decade.

Morey and or Lin's agent negotiated a deal that was too much for the Knicks to match. 65 million was one of the figures being thrown around as to what year three of that deal would cost the Knicks.