raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-jokeI always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.
From the article:
Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.
Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.
Unfortunately neither trade works because Tyson and Melo make a lot more than Blake and Jordan
gunsnewing wrote:Unfortunately neither trade works because Tyson and Melo make a lot more than Blake and Jordan
Works if they also include Matt Barnes and Dudley (who sucks this year).
If Melo heard this rumor and it persuaded him to play the right way , then he doesn't want to leave NY.
Bonn1997 wrote:raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-jokeI always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.
From the article:
Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.
Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.
Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.
What are the odds that NY is shopping Melo because they have been told he is not going to re-sign with them?
Are we supposed to think the franchise has wished up and that you cannot sign Melo to a 5 year max deal then build around him? I doubt they are that smart but by the time we have the pieces to play with Melo he will be reaching Amare status where his body starts to break down. It's not like he is 24.
I like Melo but I just don't think he is the right move for the franchise at this point. Now if we have no other options then you have to go after him and sign him to a max deal but I think we can rebuild without him.
Unfortunately NYK doesn't rebuild from the draft and smart trades.
If Melo continues to play within a team concept, does it mean he's showcasing himself to other teams to prove he can fit in or that he wants to be in the plans of the NY Knicks and make the most money ?
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-jokeI always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.
From the article:
Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.
Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.
Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.
Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't think Griffin touches the ball more than Melo since he has a lower usage rate and Melo's rebounding percentage is lower than Blake's. I can't find the data but I'd be surprised if Blake's assist opportunities are lower than Melo's.
My comments refer to this year's #s although I'd place more weight in career numbers or at least a recent but larger sample than just the 30 games of this season.
smackeddog wrote:NardDogNation wrote:gunsnewing wrote:The endgame isnt for Blake to be our best player and carry the team. You will have draft picks and cap space to hopefully bring in good to great players. Blake is a piece. Better than melo and a bunch of losers
You're right.
Alas, Dolan would see Griffin as the endgame- he wants names to justify ticket prices.
I think he'd see him as a part of the endgame but not "THE" end game. More stars, equal more money, so I suspect we'd use our draft picks and cap space to pursue others. The only problem in my opinion is that Griffin doesn't have the makings of being "THE" guy but is being paid like one. That could make it hard for the Knicks to build with him, which is why I think the best option is to move him once more for a draft pick, particularly our own pick. I don't think most people realize thus but we have the 3rd worst record in the league and could easily get the no.1 overall pick. I'd prefer that and the opportunity to sign Kevin Love. It's also the better longer term solution because I don't think Griffin stays healthy for long with how much stress he outs on his body. It'd be a disaster to have him become our new Amar'e.
I've been saying for months that Melo to Clippers is most likely destination.
Melo/Chandler/Felton/Kmart for Griffin/Jordan/Barnes/Collison/Bullock
Griffin plays at a very nice pace - he is an outstanding and most importantly a WILLING passer. He is a better rebounder and post player than Melo. He also finishes around the basket better than Melo. Melo may actually be a better defender.
We can only hope the Clippers save us from giving the max to Melo.
Next great hope is that Suns allow us to re-route Blake to them for a couple of young pieces and some picks.
NardDogNation wrote:franco12 wrote:what am I missing that people are not crazy about Blake Griffin? If we end up with Griffin for Melo and whatever added parts (Chandler, etc), then we've robbed the Clippers. He has 4 years of upside. Melo is what he is, and probably has 1-2 more peak seasons.This is the kind of trade the knicks would make - trading younger/draft pick for flawed star.
I doubt this has any chance of happening.
As I've told you before, Griffin is good but he can't carry a team on either end and has no guarantee for improvement (see Rasheed Wallace, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, etc.). Melo, on the other hand, can carry a team, well enough. This is the key difference.
We are the second worst team in the league, buddy. Yeah, he can carry...carry his and JR's bags outta here.
Gsus wrote:NardDogNation wrote:franco12 wrote:what am I missing that people are not crazy about Blake Griffin? If we end up with Griffin for Melo and whatever added parts (Chandler, etc), then we've robbed the Clippers. He has 4 years of upside. Melo is what he is, and probably has 1-2 more peak seasons.This is the kind of trade the knicks would make - trading younger/draft pick for flawed star.
I doubt this has any chance of happening.
As I've told you before, Griffin is good but he can't carry a team on either end and has no guarantee for improvement (see Rasheed Wallace, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, etc.). Melo, on the other hand, can carry a team, well enough. This is the key difference.
We are the second worst team in the league, buddy. Yeah, he can carry...carry his and JR's bags outta here.
It's kind of hard to do that with a coach that doesn't have any offensive schemes and a supporting cast that mostly consist of guys that likely won't be in the league once their contracts expire. Things are bad now and they'd be worse if Griffin switched places with Melo or if Melo wasn't here.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-jokeI always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.
From the article:
Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.
Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.
Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.
Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't think Griffin touches the ball more than Melo since he has a lower usage rate and Melo's rebounding percentage is lower than Blake's. I can't find the data but I'd be surprised if Blake's assist opportunities are lower than Melo's.
My comments refer to this year's #s although I'd place more weight in career numbers or at least a recent but larger sample than just the 30 games of this season.
NBA.com player traker.
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-jokeI always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.
From the article:
Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.
Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.
Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.
Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't think Griffin touches the ball more than Melo since he has a lower usage rate and Melo's rebounding percentage is lower than Blake's. I can't find the data but I'd be surprised if Blake's assist opportunities are lower than Melo's.
My comments refer to this year's #s although I'd place more weight in career numbers or at least a recent but larger sample than just the 30 games of this season.
NBA.com player traker.
Interesting. I was using basketball-reference.com.
I don't really like having either player on a long-term max contract
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-jokeI always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.
From the article:
Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.
Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.
Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.
Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't think Griffin touches the ball more than Melo since he has a lower usage rate and Melo's rebounding percentage is lower than Blake's. I can't find the data but I'd be surprised if Blake's assist opportunities are lower than Melo's.
My comments refer to this year's #s although I'd place more weight in career numbers or at least a recent but larger sample than just the 30 games of this season.
NBA.com player traker.
Interesting. I was using basketball-reference.com.
I don't really like having either player on a long-term max contract
Melo and Blake both have upped their games since November it will be interesting to see Griffin's numbers with Paul out. Durant seems to be doing well in Westbrooks absence this year so maybe Griffin(not on Durant's level) can survive too.
Also, how does the numbers in rebounding look adjusting for position?
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-jokeI always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.
From the article:
Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.
Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.
Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.
Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't think Griffin touches the ball more than Melo since he has a lower usage rate and Melo's rebounding percentage is lower than Blake's. I can't find the data but I'd be surprised if Blake's assist opportunities are lower than Melo's.
My comments refer to this year's #s although I'd place more weight in career numbers or at least a recent but larger sample than just the 30 games of this season.
NBA.com player traker.
Interesting. I was using basketball-reference.com.
I don't really like having either player on a long-term max contract
Melo and Blake both have upped their games since November it will be interesting to see Griffin's numbers with Paul out. Durant seems to be doing well in Westbrooks absence this year so maybe Griffin(not on Durant's level) can survive too.
Also, how does the numbers in rebounding look adjusting for position?
Well Melo's played most of his minutes at PF but he's played enough at SF that that could bring his #s down. I think the Blake-Melo comparison this year is close. I wouldn't pick either for a long-term max contract but if Dolan insists on always having a star name on the roster I'm OK with either one on a low max contract (around $16 mil).
Don't tell anyone I said this but Melo has grown on me at least a little
Many of his advanced #s have been better than in Denver and his impact this year on the team is obviously positive.
That said, if I ran LAC the goal would be to have Paul, Griffin, and Melo together. I'd have no interest in replacing Griffin with Melo. That's not going to produce a team that makes it out of the west.
Bonn1997 wrote:That said, if I ran LAC the goal would be to have Paul, Griffin, and Melo together. I'd have no interest in replacing Griffin with Melo. That's not going to produce a team that makes it out of the west.
The Knicks "goal" in 2010 was to get LeBron and Bosh to come here..
Bonn1997 wrote:That said, if I ran LAC the goal would be to have Paul, Griffin, and Melo together. I'd have no interest in replacing Griffin with Melo. That's not going to produce a team that makes it out of the west.
I'd love to perhaps trade them melo for Jordan, filler and a bunch of draft picks.
franco12 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That said, if I ran LAC the goal would be to have Paul, Griffin, and Melo together. I'd have no interest in replacing Griffin with Melo. That's not going to produce a team that makes it out of the west.
I'd love to perhaps trade them melo for Jordan, filler and a bunch of draft picks.
Yeah, I mentioned Jordan, Reddick, Collison, and a pick. I doubt Dolan wants to do that though.
Bonn1997 wrote:franco12 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That said, if I ran LAC the goal would be to have Paul, Griffin, and Melo together. I'd have no interest in replacing Griffin with Melo. That's not going to produce a team that makes it out of the west.
I'd love to perhaps trade them melo for Jordan, filler and a bunch of draft picks.
Yeah, I mentioned Jordan, Reddick, Collison, and a pick. I doubt Dolan wants to do that though.
I don't like the length on Reddick's contract. And I would seriously want at least three first rounders and maybe some second rounders as well. I'm not sure Jordan is anything to build with.
