Mckinsey and Mills brings a new thought process and while this won't likely bring change in the short term, we can hope over a period of time what ever has bought us to this place AGAIN will not be repeated.
This is akin to new ownership. Dolan has the money and willing to spending it. His input has damaged the team over and over.
Ignorant/crazy people, and chickens for that matter do the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Perhaps Mills installing a method involving "metrics" and McKinsey evaluating the organization will bring about thought process lacking in previous "administrations".
Of course we have seen this movie a few times already and if the owner decides to over ride the process then we can expect more of the same.
Nalod wrote:
Mckinsey and Mills brings a new thought process and while this won't likely bring change in the short term, we can hope over a period of time what ever has bought us to this place AGAIN will not be repeated.This is akin to new ownership. Dolan has the money and willing to spending it. His input has damaged the team over and over.
Ignorant/crazy people, and chickens for that matter do the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Perhaps Mills installing a method involving "metrics" and McKinsey evaluating the organization will bring about thought process lacking in previous "administrations".
Of course we have seen this movie a few times already and if the owner decides to over ride the process then we can expect more of the same.
Right. This team is run by dolan
who the hell is mckinzey?
It's a great approach but Dolan will probably find a way to mess it up.
anrst wrote:who the hell is mckinzey?
Few months back Dolan hired a well respected corp. consulting firm to evaluate MSG top to bottom. He could have just listened to Briggs who penned years ago "a rotting head will decay the rest of the body", or something to that effect.
"Nalod" is "Dolan" backwards and for nearly 10 years I have been saying he gets it "backwards". The moment he fired Checketts to install himself as de facto headmaster the team has a priority schedule not conducive to long term success. In fact, not very conducive to the short run either!
Google "McKinsey" and read up.
Bonn1997 wrote:It's a great approach but Dolan will probably find a way to mess it up.
one can hope its a start, but while we can talk about it, only results will tell the tale.
Nalod wrote:anrst wrote:who the hell is mckinzey?
Few months back Dolan hired a well respected corp. consulting firm to evaluate MSG top to bottom. He could have just listened to Briggs who penned years ago "a rotting head will decay the rest of the body", or something to that effect.
"Nalod" is "Dolan" backwards and for nearly 10 years I have been saying he gets it "backwards". The moment he fired Checketts to install himself as de facto headmaster the team has a priority schedule not conducive to long term success. In fact, not very conducive to the short run either!
Google "McKinsey" and read up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinsey_%2...
I suppose that I'll be the bubble buster and point out that all that metric stuff didn't work for the Grizzlies (even though trading Rudy Gay was 100% the right idea). Metrics are just a tool; a tool whose usefulness is dependent on who is using it. Guys like Darryl Morey (HOU), Sam Presti (OKC), RC Buford (SAS) and Rob Hennigan (ORL) are successful because they are capable basketball minds, which are enhanced with metrics. Meanwhile, we got Allan Houston, GM of the worst D-League team in the history of the sport. We got Steve Mills, who may know nothing about basketball. That's a big difference.
Let's say this consulting firm suggests that Dolan take more of a hands off approach to the team. What are the chances that happens? It's neat that Mills is n the metrics bandwagon, but who does have to evaluate talent, monitor free agents seasons.etc. There is a new hope, but that's all it is. I've been hopeful for the past decade and it's all gotten me are a few playoff seasons.
I think all bets went off when he killed the little once...
BigDaddyG wrote:Let's say this consulting firm suggests that Dolan take more of a hands off approach to the team. What are the chances that happens? It's neat that Mills is n the metrics bandwagon, but who does have to evaluate talent, monitor free agents seasons.etc. There is a new hope, but that's all it is. I've been hopeful for the past decade and it's all gotten me are a few playoff seasons.
How can numbers persuade Dolan to take a hands-off approach.
NardDogNation wrote:I suppose that I'll be the bubble buster and point out that all that metric stuff didn't work for the Grizzlies (even though trading Rudy Gay was 100% the right idea). Metrics are just a tool; a tool whose usefulness is dependent on who is using it. Guys like Darryl Morey (HOU), Sam Presti (OKC), RC Buford (SAS) and Rob Hennigan (ORL) are successful because they are capable basketball minds, which are enhanced with metrics. Meanwhile, we got Allan Houston, GM of the worst D-League team in the history of the sport. We got Steve Mills, who may know nothing about basketball. That's a big difference.
Seems like Memphis was a very high profile recent example in particular because change of ownership and Hollins rejection.
I doubt few teams would lay down certain logic and adhere only to the numbers.
What the successful teams have done is adhere to a formula and naturally adjust it from time to time. Im not sure you can say none of them used the Metrics to evaluate their roster to enhance decisions. Warrior had a change of owenership and in 3 years have done a very impressive do-over.
Im not sure what Allan is doing but Mills need not have the talent so long as he hires people that do (Mark Warkenten is still around??) and they stick to a formula.
IT took Morey 6 years to get to this point with his team. OKC used a formula to shed Harden and a plan for the assets they received. Its called a discipline and some teams use it.
Naturally not all teams and employed processes are linear and due to the fluid nature of athletes and the hundreds of variables that go into performance and output, such as injuries, there are many things that have to be adjusted on the fly.
DOlan might be looking for this formula now and needs to understand all that entails installation so perhaps its why Mills was hired (a "suit") and McKinsey to evaluate the talent on hand to initiate its beginning.
I've don't have a grasp on the metrics of basketball. I do know when a team is poorly constructed, or being utilized improperly. For over a third of the season yew have suffered from the lack of direction offered by our head coach and his lead guard. Do these metric show this, and does it offer some solution?
Sangfroid wrote:I've don't have a grasp on the metrics of basketball. I do know when a team is poorly constructed, or being utilized improperly. For over a third of the season yew have suffered from the lack of direction offered by our head coach and his lead guard. Do these metric show this, and does it offer some solution?
We don't have it now.
Think "Billy Bean" who constructed the A's with his system of "Metrics".
anrst wrote:who the hell is mckinzey?
One of Dolan's mistresses that is currently screwing the Knicks and Knick fans.
Nalod wrote:NardDogNation wrote:I suppose that I'll be the bubble buster and point out that all that metric stuff didn't work for the Grizzlies (even though trading Rudy Gay was 100% the right idea). Metrics are just a tool; a tool whose usefulness is dependent on who is using it. Guys like Darryl Morey (HOU), Sam Presti (OKC), RC Buford (SAS) and Rob Hennigan (ORL) are successful because they are capable basketball minds, which are enhanced with metrics. Meanwhile, we got Allan Houston, GM of the worst D-League team in the history of the sport. We got Steve Mills, who may know nothing about basketball. That's a big difference.
DOlan might be looking for this formula now and needs to understand all that entails installation so perhaps its why Mills was hired (a "suit") and McKinsey to evaluate the talent on hand to initiate its beginning.
I thought Mills was brought back to scout and report the hotness quotient on the new interns and marketing staff for IT? 
While the season has been going down the drain. I like the fact that Dolan didn't want to give up our 2018 draft pick for Lowry. Yea Lowry has turned it up since they got rid of Rudy Gay I was impressed with the fact that Dolan thought of the future over a quick fix. Its a start. The trade deadline will tell us more about if we have reason for hope about the future of the Knicks.
Sangfroid wrote:I've don't have a grasp on the metrics of basketball. I do know when a team is poorly constructed, or being utilized improperly. For over a third of the season yew have suffered from the lack of direction offered by our head coach and his lead guard. Do these metric show this, and does it offer some solution?
The solution is really to get better players. That said, statistically the only good shots are ones near the rim and in either corner for 3 (where it's worth 3 points but closer to the rim). The expected value on those shots is very high relative to anywhere else. The team still takes too many bad shots with a lot of time left on the clock. We might be able to squeeze out a couple more wins over the course of a season with better shot selection but nothing major.
A healthy Chandler and Prigioni would help a lot though. I do think this team has a chance to play .550 for the rest of the season if those two and Melo stay healthy.
