Knicks · Westbrook, Perkins to Knicks for Chandler, Felton,Shump (page 1)

babyKnicks @ 2/4/2014 1:41 PM
Where do I sign? I didn't see any breads in this...


http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/536921/20140203/nba-trade-news-rumors.htm

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/realistic-trade-russell-westbrook-save-york-knicks-163000701--nba.html

A Realistic Trade for Russell Westbrook That Would Save the New York Knicks

COMMENTARY | Through the first half of the NBA season, much has been made about how the New York Knicks have grossly underachieved.

Entering the campaign with title aspirations, things have clearly not gone as planned as the Knicks would find themselves out of the playoffs if the season ended today. Notwithstanding this, and some terrible performances along the way, the news of the Knicks' demise has been far overblown.
Their struggles are not representative of a systematic breakdown like so many other disappointing teams in the Eastern Conference, such as having a terribly mismatched roster (Detroit Pistons), being a bit too old (Brooklyn Nets) or being a bit too young (Cleveland Cavaliers).

Instead, the Knicks' struggles can be easily fixed by addressing two main issues: an unhealthy frontcourt and inconsistent point-guard play. Both of these issues can be addressed in one fell swoop by acquiring Russell Westbrook from the Oklahoma City Thunder. I am not suggesting either a fantasy trade for New York that Oklahoma City would never agree to or something that would not be possible under the NBA's salary-cap rules.

Rather, there is a realistic trade possibility that would both catapult the Thunder into the driver's seat in the Western Conference and position the Knicks to challenge the Indiana Pacers and Miami Heat in the East: Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Perkins and a future second-round draft pick for Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton and the right to swap future first-round draft picks.

Why the Thunder Would Do It

Beyond any doubt, one of the main drags on the Thunder's starting lineup has been Perkins. His general lack of athleticism is not a fit with the fast-paced Thunder. This would be cured tenfold with the addition of Chandler, an athletic rim protector who will provide the team protection when Serge Ibaka strays out of the paint.
Also, any veteran leadership lost with Perkins would be made up for with former NBA champion Changer. At the same time, Shumpert would fill a need for an athletic two-guard and Felton can slide in and provide depth as the backup point guard.

While Westbrook has been out injured, Reggie Jackson has played at an extremely high level and appears ready to take over as the regular starting point guard. This will more than soften the blow of losing Westbrook. Plus, cutting ties with him now would once and for all quiet the "can Kevin Durant and Westbrook co-exist" talk that seems to distract the team every postseason.

Why the Knicks Would Do It

For the Knicks, the benefit is obvious: Westbrook would be by far the best point guard to call Madison Square Garden home since Walt "Clyde" Frazier. He would provide a sense of athleticism that the Knicks desperately need at the position, and create the kind of matchup nightmares they are usually faced with against teams with better point guards.
Perhaps even more importantly, Westbrook's arrival as a bona-fide star would further reduce the already small chance that Carmelo Anthony would leave the Knicks in free agency in the offseason, seeing that Westbrook is currently signed to a long-term deal. Finally, Westbrook would thrive under the bright lights on Broadway with his impeccable style and likable personality.

As great as Chandler has been for the Knicks, the fact remains that they have too many big guys on the roster for too few minutes. With Chandler gone, and once Amar'e Stoudemire and Kenyon Martin get healthy, head coach Mike Woodson will have reason to employ a small lineup to give many teams trouble with the speed of Westbrook and company. Perkins would essentially be a throw-in but could provide some depth on the Knicks' second unit, which generally does not push the ball much anyways.

Finally, having to give up a first-round draft pick hasn't been an impediment for the Knicks in the past and would certainly not be when it comes to acquiring a superstar like Westbrook.
Assuming that Westbrook is able to return to the court soon, it doesn't make sense for the Knicks not to make a run at him. By acquiring such a superstar point guard, it is clear that the Knicks would quickly shoot towards the top of the Eastern Conference. Not only would that save this season, but it would also go a long way towards keeping Anthony in New York to build a budding dynasty around the two stars.

SJUknicksfan @ 2/4/2014 1:49 PM
LOL that would be a steal.
gunsnewing @ 2/4/2014 1:55 PM
Can we trade Woodson for Scotty too?
NYKBocker @ 2/4/2014 1:57 PM
This would be a heist for us. So that means no way in hell this is happening.
H1AND1 @ 2/4/2014 2:00 PM
Pass the crack cause this is a pipe dream. A top 10 player for scraps and an aging center with a compromised immune system.
knicks1248 @ 2/4/2014 2:06 PM
westbrook shoots too much, you will never win a championship with a scoring pg, NEVER...it's never happen, and never will
BigRedDog @ 2/4/2014 2:11 PM
knicks1248 wrote:westbrook shoots too much, you will never win a championship with a scoring pg, NEVER...it's never happen, and never will

So you would turn down this trade if you were the Knicks? Really?

fishmike @ 2/4/2014 2:15 PM
knicks1248 wrote:westbrook shoots too much, you will never win a championship with a scoring pg, NEVER...it's never happen, and never will
isnt Tony Parker a pretty good scoring PG? Wasnt Billups the leading scorer on a title team and another that lost in the finals?

Not sure I follow...

But Westbrook is a bigtime bigtime 2-way talent.

Hard to imagine they dont want THjr in that trade, and if they did I would include him. Poof

NYY1NYK2 @ 2/4/2014 2:19 PM
Dolan signs that deal with his own blood
fishmike @ 2/4/2014 2:21 PM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:Dolan signs that deal with his own blood
an athletic ticket selling like Westbrook? There isnt a package he wouldnt turn down. Westbrook/Melo and NBDL players would win you 50 in this conference right now
NardDogNation @ 2/4/2014 2:23 PM
knicks1248 wrote:westbrook shoots too much, you will never win a championship with a scoring pg, NEVER...it's never happen, and never will

Westbrooks a bum but nearly every champion has won with a scoring PG e.g. the Spurs, the Lakers, the Heat, the Rockets, the Bulls.....
H1AND1 @ 2/4/2014 2:25 PM
knicks1248 wrote:westbrook shoots too much, you will never win a championship with a scoring pg, NEVER...it's never happen, and never will

Walt Clyde Frazier? Isaiah Thomas?

NardDogNation @ 2/4/2014 2:26 PM
fishmike wrote:
NYY1NYK2 wrote:Dolan signs that deal with his own blood
an athletic ticket selling like Westbrook? There isnt a package he wouldnt turn down. Westbrook/Melo and NBDL players would win you 50 in this conference right now

I disagree. I really think that Westbrook is a cancer. He'll get his numbers but he is very much a Monta Ellis type player as far as impact is concerned. The difference is that the closest Ellis has come to playing next to a talent like Durant is a broken down Dirk Nowitzki.

If we can really obtain Westbrook, I suggest that we immediately move him, and whatever assets we have left, for another all-star caliber player like Kevin Love or Rajon Rondo. I say this because Westbrook is fool's gold.

EnySpree @ 2/4/2014 2:26 PM
We talked about this already
H1AND1 @ 2/4/2014 2:31 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NYY1NYK2 wrote:Dolan signs that deal with his own blood
an athletic ticket selling like Westbrook? There isnt a package he wouldnt turn down. Westbrook/Melo and NBDL players would win you 50 in this conference right now

I disagree. I really think that Westbrook is a cancer. He'll get his numbers but he is very much a Monta Ellis type player as far as impact is concerned. The difference is that the closest Ellis has come to playing next to a talent like Durant is a broken down Dirk Nowitzki.

If we can really obtain Westbrook, I suggest that we immediately move him, and whatever assets we have left, for another all-star caliber player like Kevin Love or Rajon Rondo. I say this because Westbrook is fool's gold.

He and Durant genuinely seem to like each other. Eh, who knows really but from what Ive seen it seems like they get along.

And 21/7/6 this year and 23/7/5 last year is fools gold? I see an insanely talented young player. I would take him over Rondo 6 days a week and twice on Sunday.

fishmike @ 2/4/2014 2:32 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NYY1NYK2 wrote:Dolan signs that deal with his own blood
an athletic ticket selling like Westbrook? There isnt a package he wouldnt turn down. Westbrook/Melo and NBDL players would win you 50 in this conference right now

I disagree. I really think that Westbrook is a cancer. He'll get his numbers but he is very much a Monta Ellis type player as far as impact is concerned. The difference is that the closest Ellis has come to playing next to a talent like Durant is a broken down Dirk Nowitzki.

If we can really obtain Westbrook, I suggest that we immediately move him, and whatever assets we have left, for another all-star caliber player like Kevin Love or Rajon Rondo. I say this because Westbrook is fool's gold.

Ill take my chances on that level of talent
NardDogNation @ 2/4/2014 2:36 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NYY1NYK2 wrote:Dolan signs that deal with his own blood
an athletic ticket selling like Westbrook? There isnt a package he wouldnt turn down. Westbrook/Melo and NBDL players would win you 50 in this conference right now

I disagree. I really think that Westbrook is a cancer. He'll get his numbers but he is very much a Monta Ellis type player as far as impact is concerned. The difference is that the closest Ellis has come to playing next to a talent like Durant is a broken down Dirk Nowitzki.

If we can really obtain Westbrook, I suggest that we immediately move him, and whatever assets we have left, for another all-star caliber player like Kevin Love or Rajon Rondo. I say this because Westbrook is fool's gold.

21/7/6 this year and 23/7/5 last year is fools gold? I would take him over Rondo 6 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Monta Ellis put up 22ppg, 4rpg and 5apg during his hayday of not making the playoffs, so yeah I'd call that stat line fool's gold. A few extra rebounds shouldn't change that fact. Right now, Westbrook is coasting because he's super athletic and on a good team but a trade to the Knicks would mean that those two things are no longer factors. If that's the case, I don't want any part of him because he could just as quickly morph into our former version of Steve Francis.

knicks1248 @ 2/4/2014 2:36 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:westbrook shoots too much, you will never win a championship with a scoring pg, NEVER...it's never happen, and never will

So you would turn down this trade if you were the Knicks? Really?

just getting talent isn't the trick..I don't think he's a good fit with KD and he certainly wont make anybody better on this team team

NardDogNation @ 2/4/2014 2:38 PM
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NYY1NYK2 wrote:Dolan signs that deal with his own blood
an athletic ticket selling like Westbrook? There isnt a package he wouldnt turn down. Westbrook/Melo and NBDL players would win you 50 in this conference right now

I disagree. I really think that Westbrook is a cancer. He'll get his numbers but he is very much a Monta Ellis type player as far as impact is concerned. The difference is that the closest Ellis has come to playing next to a talent like Durant is a broken down Dirk Nowitzki.

If we can really obtain Westbrook, I suggest that we immediately move him, and whatever assets we have left, for another all-star caliber player like Kevin Love or Rajon Rondo. I say this because Westbrook is fool's gold.

Ill take my chances on that level of talent

"Chances" are all the Knicks have taken and it has led to the likes of Amar'e Stoudemire, Steve Francis, Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Quentin Richardson and the like. With 2015 around the corner, I think it's time to go with a more conservative rebuild/retool.

knicks1248 @ 2/4/2014 2:38 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:westbrook shoots too much, you will never win a championship with a scoring pg, NEVER...it's never happen, and never will

Walt Clyde Frazier? Isaiah Thomas?

different breed, those guys defended relentlessly, and they were good leaders with high character, and scoring when they had to

NardDogNation @ 2/4/2014 2:39 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:westbrook shoots too much, you will never win a championship with a scoring pg, NEVER...it's never happen, and never will

Walt Clyde Frazier? Isaiah Thomas?

different breed, those guys defended relentlessly, and they were good leaders with high character, and scoring when they had to


I can't speak of Westbrook having high character but he is a good man defender thanks to his athletic ability (but dumb as rocks when it comes to help defense).
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