Knicks · What do you really think is wrong with Iman Shumpert ? (page 2)

BRIGGS wrote:The knicks have a false sense of value to this teAm. He's not a good nba player

Fans have a false sense.

He has lived up to his scouting report in many ways both good and bad.

SlimChin wrote:i wonder if it's tough for shump to get into a rhythm when he's sharing minutes Hardaway jr . not surprising for a young player. i think he might thrive in a different team though.

Like the Beijing Ducks

SlimChin wrote:i wonder if it's tough for shump to get into a rhythm when he's sharing minutes Hardaway jr . not surprising for a young player. i think he might thrive in a different team though.

Definitely.

He has lost his role on this team and it started over the summer.

As odd as it sounds, when he did they "why did you cut your hair?" interview, he basically said something along the lines of he was putting himself before the team and needed to scale it back. Curious if a number of guys came down on him about it and his big personality he just can't get over it? He acted completely different last season.

He just looks lost out there, completely indecisive on the O. His on the ball D is still OK, but his team D is awful and I absolutely feel that's a product of Woodson's BS switching nonsense. He does get beat back door, but that was moreso during the the beginning of the season.

I for one think trading him would be worthless because he has little value. He needs to get his mind right and stop feeling sorry himself, that's for damn sure.

If anything, Woodson's possible firing would probably benefit him more than anyone on this team.

sealy wrote:

SlimChin wrote:i wonder if it's tough for shump to get into a rhythm when he's sharing minutes Hardaway jr . not surprising for a young player. i think he might thrive in a different team though.

Definitely.

He has lost his role on this team and it started over the summer.

As odd as it sounds, when he did they "why did you cut your hair?" interview, he basically said something along the lines of he was putting himself before the team and needed to scale it back. Curious if a number of guys came down on him about it and his big personality he just can't get over it? He acted completely different last season.

He just looks lost out there, completely indecisive on the O. His on the ball D is still OK, but his team D is awful and I absolutely feel that's a product of Woodson's BS switching nonsense. He does get beat back door, but that was moreso during the the beginning of the season.

I for one think trading him would be worthless because he has little value. He needs to get his mind right and stop feeling sorry himself, that's for damn sure.

If anything, Woodson's possible firing would probably benefit him more than anyone on this team.

How do you force a trade today in the NBA, you try the Beno strategy or you do the Shumpert way, by playing sketchy just to get out. Ask Vince Carter.

1. has the pressure and distractions of NYC.
2. has a coach with low BB IQ
3. has sub par point guards that can't find him.
4. plays with an iso player in melo

playa2 wrote:I think Shumpert is a man , but young and stubborn enough to not want to play the game his owner (JAMES DOLAN)and coach (MIKE WOODSON) has played with him.

There are two roads to choose from

THE HIGH ROAD: You know that you are being played by management, but you continue as a paid pro athlete under contract to be professional regardless.

THE LOW ROAD: I know you are playing a game with me and want me to pay my dues and I am under contract, but I will protest the treatment that I am receiving and won't play up to my ability. I want out, or want a change with the coach.

There is nothing wrong physically with Iman Shumpert , if he is traded he will excel with a good team and showcase his strengths and all he can bring to a team that's unified.

If we could only be at practice and see how people are treated and mistreated.
Dysfunction will always have a root cause.

Low skill level and Low b-ball IQ.

Bonn1997 wrote:Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

Knee injury has nothing to do with switching at the wrong time, getting beat back-door over and over --- gambling like a fool, taking the wrong angle to the shooter --- going over a pick when you should go under and vice-versa.

The knee injury also has nothing to do with his non-development as an offensive player.

He is first and foremost a dumb basketball player who has been exposed. He lacks core/fundamental basketball skills -- its so bad that many nights he can't dribble or get his steps right on a layup.

djsunyc wrote:doesn't like his coach.
doesn't like his teammates.
doesn't like the pressure of the garden.

LivingLegend wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

Knee injury has nothing to do with switching at the wrong time, getting beat back-door over and over --- gambling like a fool, taking the wrong angle to the shooter --- going over a pick when you should go under and vice-versa.

The knee injury also has nothing to do with his non-development as an offensive player.

He is first and foremost a dumb basketball player who has been exposed. He lacks core/fundamental basketball skills -- its so bad that many nights he can't dribble or get his steps right on a layup.

Very astute observation. The knee injury no longer holds water. Almost two years removed from it.

Andrew wrote:He is not a good shooter unless wide open with his feet set, not a good finisher unless jumping off of two feet. Wally in the post game pointed out how the blazers put aldridge on him at times because they have no fear for his offensive game.

Silverfuel wrote:

Andrew wrote:He is not a good shooter unless wide open with his feet set, not a good finisher unless jumping off of two feet. Wally in the post game pointed out how the blazers put aldridge on him at times because they have no fear for his offensive game.

This is pretty good. I cannot watch post game after a loss. I get real bitter and turn it off. This is the kind of analysis I miss out on.

Last post game wasn't so bad they all were acting as if the Knicks won. I even heard Clyde talking about some moral victory during the telecast. Seems like a garden agenda to build up a lousy team.

Vmart wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Iman's looked like an NBDL player ever since the knee injury. He never looked like an NBA player on offense but at least his defense was very good in his rookie season.

Knee injury has nothing to do with switching at the wrong time, getting beat back-door over and over --- gambling like a fool, taking the wrong angle to the shooter --- going over a pick when you should go under and vice-versa.

The knee injury also has nothing to do with his non-development as an offensive player.

He is first and foremost a dumb basketball player who has been exposed. He lacks core/fundamental basketball skills -- its so bad that many nights he can't dribble or get his steps right on a layup.

Very astute observation. The knee injury no longer holds water. Almost two years removed from it.

SlimChin wrote:he needs to play for a team like indiana where they actually give a sh!t about developing young players. he's not going to progress as a player in a team that...

1. has the pressure and distractions of NYC.
2. has a coach with low BB IQ
3. has sub par point guards that can't find him.
4. plays with an iso player in melo

Sums it up with cliff notes my opinion on Iman

Would like to point out

Melo plays his best at PF

In addition to running to PG's that cannot defend a single position in the game whether PG or SG
while JR Smith and Tim Hardaway JR have played at SG

This pushed the development of Iman to SF where he should have been focused on SG/PG
Should he have worked more on his handle in addition to PG/SG skills instead of playing undersized at SF

Lin
Iman
Fields/Smith/Melo
Novak/JJ
Chandler/JJ

In year 1, he actually had the strength/size over the PG and defended both SG and PG positions
With Lin handling the ball, pushing the tempo, penetrating and facilitating, he focused on DEF more with less talented players but players that were much HIGHER IQ players and better defenders that complimented him

In year 2, he was hurt, and lost his physical abilities
So he played at SF but with Felton *chip on his shoulder* and JR *especially his ability to penetrate/facilitate improved*

Instead of continued development at the SG/PG spot, he has to get stronger to make up for his size to play SF, making him even slower
While it was apparent to me that he should have always stayed at that position, Felton's inabilities with age and JR's Smith's regressed

I do think in the right system, with the right players around him, and on the right team, he would be a valuable piece
Courtney Lee was HORRIBLE in Boston while he has worked out in Memphis

Just because players don't produce doesn't mean they suck as ironic as that sounds
The way our entire makeup of the team is flawed, our coaching is even more flawed and dumb, and our players really lack IQ

It isn't about Iman, it is about our lack of ability to properly develop players, our flaws or/and lack of defenders in too many positions, our poor rotations, and him being on the wrong FIT of players

Remember when EVERYONE said Tyson sucked, well he doesn't suck, but he is a poor fit and changes the style of play when he is on the court
Our coach and players are too dumb to realize that adjustments must be made

He didn't forget how to play like this.

BRIGGS wrote:The knicks have a false sense of value to this teAm. He's not a good nba player