Knicks · Our weakest links: Tyson, Shump and Felton (page 2)

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:As long as we get adequate PG play, Tyson will give about a point every 3 minutes. His scoring is good for a center. I don't mind trading him though.

The problem is just that. We can't rely on a player that needs a good point guard to be effective. we are trying to win games not help a singular player fit better.

What tyson brings is a myth and the same could be said of Shump. If they were what their mythology aid they were we would be a 3rd seed in the east.

Well then you address the problem - get a better PG. I mean, I hope for Tyson's sake we trade him. I'm sure he didn't realize what he was getting himself into when he signed here.
Shumpert's never even been a double digit or an efficient scorer, let alone both.

Please stop apologizing for a Tyson ..He has been a huge disappointment..He doesn't always play hard..He dogs it..He didn't know what he was getting into??..Playing hard and earning his 14 mil per year??

Of course, I wish he still had the energy he had when he was 27. The Knicks got an all-star and DPOY year out of him. They should have realized that by the time he was in his thirteenth and fourteenth seasons he'd be slowing down. How many championship players in their 13th season would be motivated to play on a .390 team? How many 7'1" guys even last thirteen years?

Championship players are motivated by pride of their play and leadership not by the standings..He did contributed Dallas' success but he was in the right place at the right time..U can't teach height, Jason Collins lasted 14 years..

So championship players are heroes who in a 2 decade career are never influenced by their surroundings?
He already has the ring and a nice number of individual awards. It's only going to be a few "haters" who remember his career for being a low energy guy in his 13th season.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:As long as we get adequate PG play, Tyson will give about a point every 3 minutes. His scoring is good for a center. I don't mind trading him though.

The problem is just that. We can't rely on a player that needs a good point guard to be effective. we are trying to win games not help a singular player fit better.

What tyson brings is a myth and the same could be said of Shump. If they were what their mythology aid they were we would be a 3rd seed in the east.

Well then you address the problem - get a better PG. I mean, I hope for Tyson's sake we trade him. I'm sure he didn't realize what he was getting himself into when he signed here.
Shumpert's never even been a double digit or an efficient scorer, let alone both.

Please stop apologizing for a Tyson ..He has been a huge disappointment..He doesn't always play hard..He dogs it..He didn't know what he was getting into??..Playing hard and earning his 14 mil per year??

Of course, I wish he still had the energy he had when he was 27. The Knicks got an all-star and DPOY year out of him. They should have realized that by the time he was in his thirteenth and fourteenth seasons he'd be slowing down. How many championship players in their 13th season would be motivated to play on a .390 team? How many 7'1" guys even last thirteen years?

Championship players are motivated by pride of their play and leadership not by the standings..He did contributed Dallas' success but he was in the right place at the right time..U can't teach height, Jason Collins lasted 14 years..

So championship players are heroes who in a 2 decade career are never influenced by their surroundings?
He already has the ring and a nice number of individual awards. It's only going to be a few "haters" who remember his career for being a low energy guy in his 13th season.

13th season??..He got destroyed by Hibbert in the playoffs, 12th season..He was a no show against Miami in the playoffs, 11th season..Guess I must be a "hater" to expect more from a "Championship Player"..I didn't know you had the option of resting on your past laurels once you obtain the ring..

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:As long as we get adequate PG play, Tyson will give about a point every 3 minutes. His scoring is good for a center. I don't mind trading him though.

The problem is just that. We can't rely on a player that needs a good point guard to be effective. we are trying to win games not help a singular player fit better.

What tyson brings is a myth and the same could be said of Shump. If they were what their mythology aid they were we would be a 3rd seed in the east.

Well then you address the problem - get a better PG. I mean, I hope for Tyson's sake we trade him. I'm sure he didn't realize what he was getting himself into when he signed here.
Shumpert's never even been a double digit or an efficient scorer, let alone both.

Please stop apologizing for a Tyson ..He has been a huge disappointment..He doesn't always play hard..He dogs it..He didn't know what he was getting into??..Playing hard and earning his 14 mil per year??

Of course, I wish he still had the energy he had when he was 27. The Knicks got an all-star and DPOY year out of him. They should have realized that by the time he was in his thirteenth and fourteenth seasons he'd be slowing down. How many championship players in their 13th season would be motivated to play on a .390 team? How many 7'1" guys even last thirteen years?

Championship players are motivated by pride of their play and leadership not by the standings..He did contributed Dallas' success but he was in the right place at the right time..U can't teach height, Jason Collins lasted 14 years..

So championship players are heroes who in a 2 decade career are never influenced by their surroundings?
He already has the ring and a nice number of individual awards. It's only going to be a few "haters" who remember his career for being a low energy guy in his 13th season.

13th season??..He got destroyed by Hibbert in the playoffs, 12th season..He was a no show against Miami in the playoffs, 11th season..Guess I must be a "hater" to expect more from a "Championship Player"..I didn't know you had the option of resting on your past laurels once you obtain the ring..

"Hater" was facetious. A point and a rebound every 3 minutes is not resting. If he was a versatile player who could create his own shot and get closer to a point every 2 min or close to 18 PPG, we would have never been able to get him.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:As long as we get adequate PG play, Tyson will give about a point every 3 minutes. His scoring is good for a center. I don't mind trading him though.

The problem is just that. We can't rely on a player that needs a good point guard to be effective. we are trying to win games not help a singular player fit better.

What tyson brings is a myth and the same could be said of Shump. If they were what their mythology aid they were we would be a 3rd seed in the east.

Well then you address the problem - get a better PG. I mean, I hope for Tyson's sake we trade him. I'm sure he didn't realize what he was getting himself into when he signed here.
Shumpert's never even been a double digit or an efficient scorer, let alone both.

Please stop apologizing for a Tyson ..He has been a huge disappointment..He doesn't always play hard..He dogs it..He didn't know what he was getting into??..Playing hard and earning his 14 mil per year??

Of course, I wish he still had the energy he had when he was 27. The Knicks got an all-star and DPOY year out of him. They should have realized that by the time he was in his thirteenth and fourteenth seasons he'd be slowing down. How many championship players in their 13th season would be motivated to play on a .390 team? How many 7'1" guys even last thirteen years?

Championship players are motivated by pride of their play and leadership not by the standings..He did contributed Dallas' success but he was in the right place at the right time..U can't teach height, Jason Collins lasted 14 years..

So championship players are heroes who in a 2 decade career are never influenced by their surroundings?
He already has the ring and a nice number of individual awards. It's only going to be a few "haters" who remember his career for being a low energy guy in his 13th season.

13th season??..He got destroyed by Hibbert in the playoffs, 12th season..He was a no show against Miami in the playoffs, 11th season..Guess I must be a "hater" to expect more from a "Championship Player"..I didn't know you had the option of resting on your past laurels once you obtain the ring..

"Hater" was facetious. A point and a rebound every 3 minutes is not resting. If he was a versatile player who could create his own shot and get closer to a point every 2 min or close to 18 PPG, we would have never been able to get him.

We must be lucky..

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:As long as we get adequate PG play, Tyson will give about a point every 3 minutes. His scoring is good for a center. I don't mind trading him though.

The problem is just that. We can't rely on a player that needs a good point guard to be effective. we are trying to win games not help a singular player fit better.

What tyson brings is a myth and the same could be said of Shump. If they were what their mythology aid they were we would be a 3rd seed in the east.

Well then you address the problem - get a better PG. I mean, I hope for Tyson's sake we trade him. I'm sure he didn't realize what he was getting himself into when he signed here.
Shumpert's never even been a double digit or an efficient scorer, let alone both.

Please stop apologizing for a Tyson ..He has been a huge disappointment..He doesn't always play hard..He dogs it..He didn't know what he was getting into??..Playing hard and earning his 14 mil per year??

Of course, I wish he still had the energy he had when he was 27. The Knicks got an all-star and DPOY year out of him. They should have realized that by the time he was in his thirteenth and fourteenth seasons he'd be slowing down. How many championship players in their 13th season would be motivated to play on a .390 team? How many 7'1" guys even last thirteen years?

Championship players are motivated by pride of their play and leadership not by the standings..He did contributed Dallas' success but he was in the right place at the right time..U can't teach height, Jason Collins lasted 14 years..

So championship players are heroes who in a 2 decade career are never influenced by their surroundings?
He already has the ring and a nice number of individual awards. It's only going to be a few "haters" who remember his career for being a low energy guy in his 13th season.

13th season??..He got destroyed by Hibbert in the playoffs, 12th season..He was a no show against Miami in the playoffs, 11th season..Guess I must be a "hater" to expect more from a "Championship Player"..I didn't know you had the option of resting on your past laurels once you obtain the ring..

"Hater" was facetious. A point and a rebound every 3 minutes is not resting. If he was a versatile player who could create his own shot and get closer to a point every 2 min or close to 18 PPG, we would have never been able to get him.

We must be lucky..

We're a .390 team with no picks and a huge payroll. Luck has been on our side with only 1 of our 12 players (TH Jr).

Knicks22 wrote:
Tyson most puzzling to me. Has his game slipped, or, did he look better than he truly was as part of a great team in Dallas? With this team, can go long minutes where he is seemingly invisible. Player? team around him?

I get the impression he's quit on Woody. He might play with more energy for a new coach/teammates and a PG who can get him some scoring opportunities (he seems to get extra motivated when he scores. I honestly don't think he's giving it 100% when we play.

If we can get rid of Tyson great! Our gm to think other wise would be stupid. Before his glorious championship ring and dpoy award with us. Tyson looked like a player destine to be a bounce around the league type of guy... Which I still think he is a bounce around the league guy. Chitown gave up on him knowing his limitation,Charlotte gave up on him, and no hornets gave up on him... Dallas gave up on him too knowing he wasn't worth 14 million

Get rid of this slow giant with zero offensive game . Even mutombo had a sky hook,and could put the ball on the floor without turning it over. Get rid of Tyson, it doesn't matter if he has a good pg he still can't do anything but dunk the ball and miss free throws

holfresh wrote:We have 4 guys in the starting lineup who can't score..

most of all they play dumb basketball even when they play hard

The weakest link for the Knicks is Woodson. Like I said in another thread most good coaches would have Shump, Felton and Chandler coming off the bench for 10-15 minutes a game and that is it. Someone pointed out that the Knicks have four starters averaging below double digit in scoring.

Vmart wrote:The weakest link for the Knicks is Woodson. Like I said in another thread most good coaches would have Shump, Felton and Chandler coming off the bench for 10-15 minutes a game and that is it. Someone pointed out that the Knicks have four starters averaging below double digit in scoring.

I disagree. Not sure how bad the players have to play before it is on them. Tyson has been horrible and all of the off court positives that he is supposed to bring are not only non existent but he actually has been a negative locker room presence. Shump and felton aren't weak links? What back courts in the nba have weak links.