Woodson and Felton.. Need a new coach and new starting pt guard
StarksEwing1 wrote:Look i want Woodson gone BUT its not just woodson. the team simply sucks. If people think taht the Knicks will all of a sudden be good when woodson gone then they are really reaching
yea, but we don't suck this bad
we have a horrible coach who has cost us a ton of games
a good coach could have got us a 6 seed in the East this year with a decent enough shot at winning a first round series.
The way shump and Felton have been used this season...it's just out of control. Meanwhile Tyler shuld have been getting minutes early and often this season. He and Hardaway should be getting more minutes. A good coach would have got something out of Artest on this team. A good coach wouldn't just have Melo bring up the ball on an ISO at the end of every close game and chuck a shot with hands in his face.
But the most glaring thing for me is how we let one trick pony guys absolutely go off against us in every game. Guys like Jimmer; as long as you gameplan just a bit for them..are basically a non-factor. but it seems like every other game we let a a scrub go off for a season best or even a career best game. That means the players aren't getting the scouting reports and/or aren't being held accountable for understanding them. This is the most unprepared team I've ever seen.
How do you get the 6th seed with the worst back-court in the NBA? Can you give any examples of teams with the worst back-court that even made the playoffs?
Every time I think it's time to fire Woody (even though the players are equally as bad), I just think of the alternative (Herb Williams as coach) and I don't see the point. Rumours said we'd add Allan Houston and LJ to the bench, but that would mean we have a GM, coach and two assistant coaches with zero experience and who's sole qualification is that they're friends with Dolan. That's ridiculous.
smackeddog wrote:Every time I think it's time to fire Woody (even though the players are equally as bad), I just think of the alternative (Herb Williams as coach) and I don't see the point. Rumours said we'd add Allan Houston and LJ to the bench, but that would mean we have a GM, coach and two assistant coaches with zero experience and who's sole qualification is that they're friends with Dolan. That's ridiculous.
Not as bad. At least this are not the musicians from Straight Shot.
The show at MSG is so bad that it can compete with the worst reality shows and bring a hoards of celebs to the Garden.
Clown is a profession and clown organization is a business strategy. And it is simply brilliantly done by MSG.
So do not cry, lets have good lough. Every game is another comedy.
codeunknown wrote:Somewhere Don Chaney is waiting to escort him out of the building. And Isiah is waiting in a truck to take him to the airport.
code!! what's up bro? great to see you lurking around still.
Hire Pat Ewing as HC.
He'd come. Give him 3 year deal.
Its not is Woody a good coach or do the players suck. Yes to both.
But have the players for whatever reason tuned him out? Are they complacent? Yes. Does a fresh voice help? Yes.
Does a shot across their bow wake them up (Felton)? Yes.
franco - do you remember when Willis Reed was hired as head coach?
His frustration that players could not do what he did was too much. Patrick Ewing is a huge risk at head coach.
We missed on Mark Jackson.
misterearl wrote:franco - do you remember when Willis Reed was hired as head coach?His frustration that players could not do what he did was too much. Patrick Ewing is a huge risk at head coach.
We missed on Mark Jackson.
We missed out on a lot of guys better than Jackson like Thibs. Clifford is another guy that comes to mind, though can't call him better than Jackson yet. Amazing how horrible of an owner Dolan is.
anrst wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Look i want Woodson gone BUT its not just woodson. the team simply sucks. If people think taht the Knicks will all of a sudden be good when woodson gone then they are really reaching
yea, but we don't suck this bad
we have a horrible coach who has cost us a ton of games
Definitely. Look how pathetic the East is and you're telling me that this team cannot get in the top 8. Woodson's brain has been on vacation all season w/ the switching, no accountability, inconsistent mins, vanilla offense, playing favorites BS and it's absolutely sickening to have to witness every game.
We certainly did miss on Mark Jackson. Now is the perfect time to cut the chord.
misterearl wrote:franco - do you remember when Willis Reed was hired as head coach?His frustration that players could not do what he did was too much. Patrick Ewing is a huge risk at head coach.
We missed on Mark Jackson.
a little before my time.
agreed its a risk- but any move we make is a risk.
would he get frustrated that his players don't try as hard as he did?
That would be awesome! As long as our FO supported him, and got rid of those players.
Give me five guys that play their hearts out every night vs. some of the talented bums we have.
And I sure don't mean Melo. He tries hard - and has certainly be a model this year.
In fact, I bet Melo would love having Ewing as the coach - it would take some pressure off him in the press as all eyes- media, fans- would be on Patrick.
Patrick's approach with media would probably make Dolan happy as well.
He's the right move mid season to make. Herb is more of the same.
We need a spark. I don't doubt Herb's abilities. I just think we need a completely new voice.
Heck - we could probably get Lawrence Frank!
Yeesh.
Did you say Lawrence Frank?
Bring on Patrick Ewing.
Scott Skiles would be a good fit.
Vmart wrote:Scott Skiles would be a good fit.
What is he even doing these days?
Yes! His problem was he was so hard nosed, guys tuned him out? Right? Maybe some time out of the league will help temper that just enough.
Dolan not firing Woodson isn't patience - he talked about how he was patient- more so than Prokhorov- but this isn't patience. Its incompetence. Its acting when all the facts tell you its time to make a move.
Dolan is sabotaging the team in order to get back on critics. Critics as in fans and media
And fans still fill the garden and the media still writes and talks knicks
Dolan will continue to do the opposite of right
franco12 wrote:Vmart wrote:Scott Skiles would be a good fit.
What is he even doing these days?
Yes! His problem was he was so hard nosed, guys tuned him out? Right? Maybe some time out of the league will help temper that just enough.
Dolan not firing Woodson isn't patience - he talked about how he was patient- more so than Prokhorov- but this isn't patience. Its incompetence. Its acting when all the facts tell you its time to make a move.
Right, that was his problem. Thibs does a better job of getting guys to play hard, buy into his system, without alienating his players. I don't know if Skiles has changed though, doubt it.
GustavBahler wrote:franco12 wrote:Vmart wrote:Scott Skiles would be a good fit.
What is he even doing these days?
Yes! His problem was he was so hard nosed, guys tuned him out? Right? Maybe some time out of the league will help temper that just enough.
Dolan not firing Woodson isn't patience - he talked about how he was patient- more so than Prokhorov- but this isn't patience. Its incompetence. Its acting when all the facts tell you its time to make a move.
Right, that was his problem. Thibs does a better job of getting guys to play hard, buy into his system, without alienating his players. I don't know if Skiles has changed though, doubt it.
I think you guys are wrong about alienating players Skiles is a good coach who often over achieved with mediocre to poor rosters. He coached the Bucks and Bulls. Do you remember the talent he had there. Eddie F'ing Curry, Marcus Fizer. I don't even know what the bucks had. Never coached a star player so I think he would excel with Melo and Amare. Chandlers first playoff experience was with Skiles.
I don't see Dolan firing Woodson, if he was it would have happen already. He let thomas finish out the season even though his 1 goal (make it to the playoffs) was a pipe dream by january...
I don't see a trade happening because none of our players can help a d league squad (at least the the tradable guys like shump, ty, felton, beno, barg) let alone a NBA team.
All we can do is pray that this team wakes the fck up comes out of the allstar break and goes 20-10.
Vmart wrote:GustavBahler wrote:franco12 wrote:Vmart wrote:Scott Skiles would be a good fit.
What is he even doing these days?
Yes! His problem was he was so hard nosed, guys tuned him out? Right? Maybe some time out of the league will help temper that just enough.
Dolan not firing Woodson isn't patience - he talked about how he was patient- more so than Prokhorov- but this isn't patience. Its incompetence. Its acting when all the facts tell you its time to make a move.
Right, that was his problem. Thibs does a better job of getting guys to play hard, buy into his system, without alienating his players. I don't know if Skiles has changed though, doubt it.
I think you guys are wrong about alienating players Skiles is a good coach who often over achieved with mediocre to poor rosters. He coached the Bucks and Bulls. Do you remember the talent he had there. Eddie F'ing Curry, Marcus Fizer. I don't even know what the bucks had. Never coached a star player so I think he would excel with Melo and Amare. Chandlers first playoff experience was with Skiles.
Read too many stories about players turning on him to believe its just talk. Found this
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...
The take from this is that Scott Skiles did not ably communicate with his player as to his expectations in terms of role and placement in the rotation. This is a problem you heard about in Skiles’ earlier turns in Phoenix and Chicago, and it’s not insignificant when paired with his clashes (or, to put it in nicer terms, “chilly relationships”) with his players.And who are these players? Tyrus Thomas. Eddy Curry. Beno Udrih. Jason Kidd and Brandon Jennings at times, among other lesser lights.
What’s the big deal about ticking off Thomas and Curry? Classic underachievers who never seemed to care about the game long enough to do what they needed in order to become better players? Jennings still takes terrible shots, Kidd was a bit of a prat during his time in Phoenix, and who cares about Beno Udrih?
This isn’t the point. Skiles was hired by middling teams to push them over the top. He’s only made the second round twice as a coach, though, getting there in 2000 as his Phoenix Suns flew past a San Antonio Spurs team working without an injured Tim Duncan in the first round, and in 2007 with a very good Chicago Bulls squad.
That Bulls team flamed out during 2007-08, though, attempting to play through an obvious crisis of confidence that Skiles seemed ill-equipped to handle. He was fired just 25 games into the following season. His second year with the Suns saw the Kidd-led group win 51 games but die out in the first round, and he was let go 51 games into the following year.
He, and his teams, burn out. Without getting very far in the first place, due to various influences, and after a whole lot of squabbling.
Just to let some of you know (the ones that think it's more on the players) how inept woodson is.
He claimed he wanted to go small (starting unit jumped out to a nice lead) and he went with ty, amare, and melo in the 4th. when asked why he didn't go with melo at the the 4 down the stretch..well just listen for yourselfhttp://www.msg.com/teams/knicks.html?vid...
" metta and those guys haven't played so I elected to go with melo and not give him any rest"
basically saying that some veteran players (with rings i might add) can't come in and give you nothing against one of the worse teams in the league and you rather run you star player into the ground, a star player who has been horrible in the 4th qtr because of his minutes in the first 3 qtrs..
WOODSON YOUR A FKNG IDIOT!!1
