and while I don't think he needs help--he truly does have Carmelos ear.
If Dolan does not trade Melo now then more proof that he is an idiot.
If this is true I'm pretty sure his advice has little to do with cap room, draft picks, or even coaches. Just one word... Dolan. He's probably telling Melo that he will never get that ring with this owner, or even come close. I have trouble myself keeping this thought out of my head at times.
NYKBocker wrote:If Dolan does not trade Melo now then more proof that he is an idiot.
We don't need any more proof of that!
If I'm Melo I'm gone too. This season is proof that they don't have the mental capacity to improve the team and truly build around Melo.
At this time the knicks should be doing all they can to either improve this season's Chance at the playoffs or scrap this ship down to prepare for a complete rebuild around Melo.
We are doing nothing and probably will stand pat.
I will not hold anything against Melo if he leaves. I wish I could
Respect his talent and this year's greater effort, but, i don't buy the "melo as victim" premise.
THe reason they 'can't build around him' is simple: he forced a trade which required Knicks to overpay, then, is unable to blend his game with Amare, he's unwilling to work for MDA, and, appears to have been unwilling to play with Linsanity.
He came here, couldn't work with the reigning ALl Star, coach, and, later, Lin. Victim? think not
Knicks22 wrote:
Respect his talent and this year's greater effort, but, i don't buy the "melo as victim" premise.THe reason they 'can't build around him' is simple: he forced a trade which required Knicks to overpay, then, is unable to blend his game with Amare, he's unwilling to work for MDA, and, appears to have been unwilling to play with Linsanity.
He came here, couldn't work with the reigning ALl Star, coach, and, later, Lin. Victim? think not
Why are people struggling with this point you made. It's the results of him thinking he was in college when coming to NY. No cap space in college to build two-way role players around him.
Rolling my eyes shaking my head
Knicks22 wrote:
Respect his talent and this year's greater effort, but, i don't buy the "melo as victim" premise.THe reason they 'can't build around him' is simple: he forced a trade which required Knicks to overpay, then, is unable to blend his game with Amare, he's unwilling to work for MDA, and, appears to have been unwilling to play with Linsanity.
He came here, couldn't work with the reigning ALl Star, coach, and, later, Lin. Victim? think not
How you gonna blame him for everything then start talking up this "melo is a victim" non sense.
The Knicks made the trade for melo. They are the ones that decided to stay put and not build around the team. Coach Woodson is the one that can't figure out a better plan to mix this rosters talent better.
Melo isn't a victim. He's playing extremely hard even though we are losing. He's a free agent after this season. This organization has not tried to improve the situation. So he absolutely should leave and find a team that will.
EnySpree wrote:Knicks22 wrote:
Respect his talent and this year's greater effort, but, i don't buy the "melo as victim" premise.THe reason they 'can't build around him' is simple: he forced a trade which required Knicks to overpay, then, is unable to blend his game with Amare, he's unwilling to work for MDA, and, appears to have been unwilling to play with Linsanity.
He came here, couldn't work with the reigning ALl Star, coach, and, later, Lin. Victim? think not
How you gonna blame him for everything then start talking up this "melo is a victim" non sense.
The Knicks made the trade for melo. They are the ones that decided to stay put and not build around the team. Coach Woodson is the one that can't figure out a better plan to mix this rosters talent better.
Melo isn't a victim. He's playing extremely hard even though we are losing. He's a free agent after this season. This organization has not tried to improve the situation. So he absolutely should leave and find a team that will.
Eny he's doing what JR Smith did, play hard in contract year. This isn't who he is, it's all business this yr for him.
BRIGGS wrote:and while I don't think he needs help--he truly does have Carmelos ear.
Coach Boheim -- I am rooting for you.
Don't care how you convince Melo but please convince him to leave --- preferably right now.
playa2 wrote:EnySpree wrote:Knicks22 wrote:
Respect his talent and this year's greater effort, but, i don't buy the "melo as victim" premise.THe reason they 'can't build around him' is simple: he forced a trade which required Knicks to overpay, then, is unable to blend his game with Amare, he's unwilling to work for MDA, and, appears to have been unwilling to play with Linsanity.
He came here, couldn't work with the reigning ALl Star, coach, and, later, Lin. Victim? think not
How you gonna blame him for everything then start talking up this "melo is a victim" non sense.
The Knicks made the trade for melo. They are the ones that decided to stay put and not build around the team. Coach Woodson is the one that can't figure out a better plan to mix this rosters talent better.
Melo isn't a victim. He's playing extremely hard even though we are losing. He's a free agent after this season. This organization has not tried to improve the situation. So he absolutely should leave and find a team that will.
Eny he's doing what JR Smith did, play hard in contract year. This isn't who he is, it's all business this yr for him.
Wrong Playa. Melo played hard last year as well.
Eny has the right idea. It's not Melo, it's the other parts that are weak. Starts with Dolan. Our downfall this year was getting Bargnani. That was all Dolan and I believe that was the reason Grunny left/was let go. He strongly disagreed with that move and what we gave up. (i.e. 1st round pick). To stay as the Knicks GM, one has to be a "Yes man".
I'd love to keep Melo and be able to build around him. But we don't have a GM who has any experience in doing this.
That extra year means nothing considering we wont be competing next year in one of those years
The difference in trading him for assets however vs giving him a max extension can change the entire make up for the Knicks decade
BRIGGS wrote:and while I don't think he needs help--he truly does have Carmelos ear.
I know he was pro Melo leaving on Mike and Mike a few days ago. Has he come out and said this in other places or is this in reference to the Mike and Mike quotes?
Knicks22 wrote:
Respect his talent and this year's greater effort, but, i don't buy the "melo as victim" premise.THe reason they 'can't build around him' is simple: he forced a trade which required Knicks to overpay, then, is unable to blend his game with Amare, he's unwilling to work for MDA, and, appears to have been unwilling to play with Linsanity.
He came here, couldn't work with the reigning ALl Star, coach, and, later, Lin. Victim? think not
I am always puzzled by this. Amare and Melo did pretty well together until Amare started getting injured beginning with messing up his backs dunking before a game and he has been maligned since. The coach resigned and the team did a lot better after he left. Not sure how Lin gets thrown in here. How does a guy seeking a financial windfall and doing everything to insure it, firing his agent, having his new agent say that he might not return to the Knicks, sitting out from the USA Select team because he didn't want to damage his free agency etc. How is that on Melo?
Markji wrote:playa2 wrote:EnySpree wrote:Knicks22 wrote:
Respect his talent and this year's greater effort, but, i don't buy the "melo as victim" premise.THe reason they 'can't build around him' is simple: he forced a trade which required Knicks to overpay, then, is unable to blend his game with Amare, he's unwilling to work for MDA, and, appears to have been unwilling to play with Linsanity.
He came here, couldn't work with the reigning ALl Star, coach, and, later, Lin. Victim? think not
How you gonna blame him for everything then start talking up this "melo is a victim" non sense.
The Knicks made the trade for melo. They are the ones that decided to stay put and not build around the team. Coach Woodson is the one that can't figure out a better plan to mix this rosters talent better.
Melo isn't a victim. He's playing extremely hard even though we are losing. He's a free agent after this season. This organization has not tried to improve the situation. So he absolutely should leave and find a team that will.
Eny he's doing what JR Smith did, play hard in contract year. This isn't who he is, it's all business this yr for him.
Wrong Playa. Melo played hard last year as well. Eny has the right idea. It's not Melo, it's the other parts that are weak. Starts with Dolan. Our downfall this year was getting Bargnani. That was all Dolan and I believe that was the reason Grunny left/was let go. He strongly disagreed with that move and what we gave up. (i.e. 1st round pick). To stay as the Knicks GM, one has to be a "Yes man".
I'd love to keep Melo and be able to build around him. But we don't have a GM who has any experience in doing this.
Melo had to get a rep with Kurt Thomas, J.Kidd and R.Wallace who he took the 3 fingers to the head from. That was his audience and motivation.
