Knicks · Melo Is Gone (page 1)
"I want to win a ring, if I have to become a free agent to do so, i will"
The operative word is "I". Not the Knicks. I.
Get Chicago on the phone. Immediately.
"As far as the money, it don't really matter to me. If I go somewhere else, I get paid. If I stay in New York, I get paid. As far as the money goes, it's not my concern. My concern is to be able to compete on a high level, a championship level, coming in this last stretch of my career. I want to compete at that level."
The operative word is championship
misterearl wrote:96 Million"As far as the money, it don't really matter to me. If I go somewhere else, I get paid. If I stay in New York, I get paid. As far as the money goes, it's not my concern. My concern is to be able to compete on a high level, a championship level, coming in this last stretch of my career. I want to compete at that level."
The operative word is championship
In other words, lets stop the bullshit around here with the MDA loving Gallo plan and Donny horrific presentation to Bron, etc...Let's act like a first class organization and get with the program...Last 10 years would never happen in Lakerland...I hope he holds Dolan's feet to the fire until he comes up with a plan...
Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyThisUntil a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire quality starters plus one sixth man.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
Either Dolan starts clearing the decks for subsequent off season moves or we stand pat.
How far is the leap from being a lottery team with no lottery pick... to an NBA championship?
misterearl wrote:The Trade Deadline is Thursday February 20Long leap. Judging the past 15 years id say its a neverending leapEither Dolan starts clearing the decks for subsequent off season moves or we stand pat.
How far is the leap from being a lottery team with no lottery pick... to an NBA championship?
misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
CrushAlot wrote:The problem with Melo is that although he is a top 3 scorer he has weaknesses in other parts of the game. Still a great talent just isnt quite there with lebron durantmisterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
StarksEwing1 wrote:No one else is either. If you have a guy like Melo you do everything you can to keep him. The Knicks don't draft well and they don't trade well. They rehired the guy that was over the era of horrible mismanagement to be their gm. I don't trust him or the owner with trying to do a traditional rebuild.CrushAlot wrote:The problem with Melo is that although he is a top 3 scorer he has weaknesses in other parts of the game. Still a great talent just isnt quite there with lebron durantmisterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
CrushAlot wrote:misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
I was listening to a caller saying this would wake up knick management to get a plan to improve the team around Melo- that they have failed with recent moves.
But what is left for them to do? They've shot their load- there are no draft picks left. There is no cap. Bargs was the only real deal left. CAA also has its hands around the franchise.
the best plan to build around Melo? Stink up the joint next year and get as good a draft pick as possible- and hope that player can be a stud next to Melo- dump the garbage we have and wait to sign a game changer.
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:No one else is either. If you have a guy like Melo you do everything you can to keep him. The Knicks don't draft well and they don't trade well. They rehired the guy that was over the era of horrible mismanagement to be their gm. I don't trust him or the owner with trying to do a traditional rebuild.CrushAlot wrote:The problem with Melo is that although he is a top 3 scorer he has weaknesses in other parts of the game. Still a great talent just isnt quite there with lebron durantmisterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
Then why would you trust him to build higher than a .390 team around Melo?
The organization doesn't do anything well but I'd say drafting is the only thing it's done decently actually.
misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyUntil a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
trade carmelo unless he plays for 13-14 million a year.
CrushAlot wrote:My point is I think Melo would fit best being the 2nd guy. He might be the better scorer but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player.StarksEwing1 wrote:No one else is either. If you have a guy like Melo you do everything you can to keep him. The Knicks don't draft well and they don't trade well. They rehired the guy that was over the era of horrible mismanagement to be their gm. I don't trust him or the owner with trying to do a traditional rebuild.CrushAlot wrote:The problem with Melo is that although he is a top 3 scorer he has weaknesses in other parts of the game. Still a great talent just isnt quite there with lebron durantmisterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
Bonn1997 wrote:I think Walsh could have built a team that would have had staying power as a contender if he drafted right. Knicks could have had a point guard, a center and a shooting guard that all will be or should be all stars this year had he not missed so badly. Imagine replacing Felton with a quality point guard, Tyson with a real quality center, and Shump with Lance Stephenson. No way do I trust the Knicks to draft well.CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:No one else is either. If you have a guy like Melo you do everything you can to keep him. The Knicks don't draft well and they don't trade well. They rehired the guy that was over the era of horrible mismanagement to be their gm. I don't trust him or the owner with trying to do a traditional rebuild.CrushAlot wrote:The problem with Melo is that although he is a top 3 scorer he has weaknesses in other parts of the game. Still a great talent just isnt quite there with lebron durantmisterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
Then why would you trust him to build higher than a .390 team around Melo?
The organization doesn't do anything well but I'd say drafting is the only thing it's done decently actually.
CrushAlot wrote:Walsh was also against teh melo trade that went down BECAUSE we gave up a ton. Im not a fan of gallo or chandler BUT factor them with the draft picks and it severely limited usBonn1997 wrote:I think Walsh could have built a team that would have had staying power as a contender if he drafted right. Knicks could have had a point guard, a center and a shooting guard that all will be or should be all stars this year had he not missed so badly. Imagine replacing Felton with a quality point guard, Tyson with a real quality center, and Shump with Lance Stephenson. No way do I trust the Knicks to draft well.CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:No one else is either. If you have a guy like Melo you do everything you can to keep him. The Knicks don't draft well and they don't trade well. They rehired the guy that was over the era of horrible mismanagement to be their gm. I don't trust him or the owner with trying to do a traditional rebuild.CrushAlot wrote:The problem with Melo is that although he is a top 3 scorer he has weaknesses in other parts of the game. Still a great talent just isnt quite there with lebron durantmisterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
Then why would you trust him to build higher than a .390 team around Melo?
The organization doesn't do anything well but I'd say drafting is the only thing it's done decently actually.
CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I think Walsh could have built a team that would have had staying power as a contender if he drafted right. Knicks could have had a point guard, a center and a shooting guard that all will be or should be all stars this year had he not missed so badly. Imagine replacing Felton with a quality point guard, Tyson with a real quality center, and Shump with Lance Stephenson. No way do I trust the Knicks to draft well.CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:No one else is either. If you have a guy like Melo you do everything you can to keep him. The Knicks don't draft well and they don't trade well. They rehired the guy that was over the era of horrible mismanagement to be their gm. I don't trust him or the owner with trying to do a traditional rebuild.CrushAlot wrote:The problem with Melo is that although he is a top 3 scorer he has weaknesses in other parts of the game. Still a great talent just isnt quite there with lebron durantmisterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
Then why would you trust him to build higher than a .390 team around Melo?
The organization doesn't do anything well but I'd say drafting is the only thing it's done decently actually.
Well, yeah, every bad team could have been a good team if their GMs had made different decisions.
CrushAlot wrote:misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
good job at muddying the waters as usual. dolan and isaiah made the knicks a laughingstock and walsh was brought in to right the ship at stern's "request." the knicks were once a proud flagship franchise and dolan has made it a farce.
at least with walsh you had some sort of plan to flush away the crap that isaiah and dolan created. was the process perfect? hell no. but there was at least a plan, an outline. this plan was summarily spooged by dolan and melo and voila! we have this shit show.
i think you trade melo.
dk7th wrote:Walsh's tenure was not good. He hired the wrong coach and spent his time in NY trying to fix that. He drafted guys that fit his coaches system or didn't need a mentor which D'Antoni wasn't. He also let everyone know his 'plan' and was taken advantage of in every trade he made. Is a simplistic plan that allows other teams to improve because they know your plan and doesn't work out really a good plan? Come on now. You just want to spin it back to Melo.CrushAlot wrote:misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactlyI don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.
Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.
Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.
You do the math.
good job at muddying the waters as usual. dolan and isaiah made the knicks a laughingstock and walsh was brought in to right the ship at stern's "request." the knicks were once a proud flagship franchise and dolan has made it a farce.
at least with walsh you had some sort of plan to flush away the crap that isaiah and dolan created. was the process perfect? hell no. but there was at least a plan, an outline. this plan was summarily spooged by dolan and melo and voila! we have this shit show.
i think you trade melo.